War

[Montuno]

The Chump is whatever will keep his name in the news, his bald ass out of prison, and other peoples money going into his wallet. and his acolytes will throw their money at him & follow him right off of the cliff ....and i won't miss any of them when they splatter on the rocks at the base of the cliff. i figure the average IQ in this country would go up by about 15 points or so the day it happens...

 

[Brother Nature]

So all you guys supporting the de-Nazification of Ukraine, what are your thoughts on gay and transgender rights, black lives mattering, immigration, intellectualism, genetic superiority, or the Jewish race?

 

[Chi13]

https://youtu.be/RWIN2W1aVTM

So. Russia has destroyed 80% of Mariupol. The army are moving in. The Ukranian residents are fleeing. The Russians will soon have control of that area.
How is this better than it was before Nato started stiring the pot? Am I missing something?

I guess the main point your missing is that Russia invaded Ukraine.

 

[Montuno]

Forcible suppression of opposition.

In his 2004 book The Anatomy of Fascism, Paxton refines his five-stage model and puts forward the following definition for fascism:
Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democraticliberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.[SUP][12] [/SUP]
In 2021, Paxton wrote an op-ed for Newsweek in which he stated that he now believed Donald Trump was a fascist, after insisting for several years that he was instead a right-wing populist. Trump's incitement of the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol was the deciding factor in him changing his view.[SUP][13][/SUP]

 

[h.h.]

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And also remember, friend, that in (your?) capitalist USA there has been apartheit (in the time of my grandparents, for black Americans, Western Europe, including my country, was paradise), and even harsher in capitalist South Africa. ...

Nazi documents reveal that Ford had links to Auschwitz

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/aug/20/julianborger1

 

[Budz Lightyear]

I guess the main point your missing is that Russia invaded Ukraine.

Oh yeah I mustve missed that when I litterally said "Russia has destroyed 80% of Mariupol. The army are moving in. The Ukranian residents are fleeing. The Russians will soon have control of that area."

(Kmt.. Honestly, some ppl are just absolute clowns)

 

[Chi13]

Oh yeah I mustve missed that when I litterally said "Russia has destroyed 80% of Mariupol. The army are moving in. The Ukranian residents are fleeing. The Russians will soon have control of that area."

(Kmt.. Honestly, some ppl are just absolute clowns)

You managed to quote all the bits I wasn't referring to, but never mind. You implied this was NATO's fault.

 

[ButterflyEffect]

Capitalism is by definition neither fascist nor anti-fascist: it can be both perfectly well. As democratic or dictatorial (as well as socialism and communism).
You can see how well German capitalism and Swiss banking (that banking if good and angelic; not like the dirty Jewish one) did with Hitler, or how extremely capitalist the South American fascist dictatorships were, or even the Spanish Francoist one.

I've never understood how capitalism, true free-market capitalism, could survive in either extreme. I've always believed that it, like many integrated systems, melds the best of both philosophies. The better the balance, the better the system is overall for the benefit of not only the individual but also the collective as well. Is that not ideal?

That is why my own personal beliefs align as a centrist. Compromise is key to all high-functioning societies. That's why binary thinking is such an anathema to me.

 

[Montuno]

I've never understood how capitalism, true free-market capitalism, could survive in either extreme. I've always believed that it, like many integrated systems, melds the best of both philosophies. The better the balance, the better the system is overall for the benefit of not only the individual but also the collective as well. Is that not ideal?

That is why my own personal beliefs align as a centrist. Compromise is key to all high-functioning societies. That's why binary thinking is such an anathema to me.

Believe me. I was born in the last period of Francoism and as for capitalism, it was the same as now in the EU or in the USA (only with much more poverty): you could buy (if you could afford it) any car you wanted: an English Rolls Royce, an Italian Ferrari, a USA Dodge, a German Mercedes, a French Citroën, a Spanish SEAT...and yes, also a Russian Lada, or a Czechoslovakian Skoda or an East German Trabant or Wartburg...

 

[ButterflyEffect]

Well, that is not what I said at all. Looks like you missed the point again.

No?
This you?

 

[ButterflyEffect]

Believe me. I was born in the last period of Francoism and as for capitalism, it was the same as now in the EU or in the USA (only with much more poverty): you could buy (if you could afford it) any car you wanted: an English Rolls Royce, an Italian Ferrari, a USA Dodge, a German Mercedes, a French Citroën, a Spanish SEAT...and yes, also a Russian Lada, or a Czechoslovakian Skoda or an East German Trabant...

That's an interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing. Often it's easy to see only the environment from which you were born into, not realizing how different, or similar we all are.

 

[Chi13]

Yeah, I noticed a pattern where lefties don't respond to things they can't answer to without undermining their own Bullshit. I don't get ignored when they respond to other comments I make (such as my assertion that Russia is acting in legitimate self defense against the fascist Neo Nazis (just trying to find out if they are the left wing kind or the right wing kind of fascist nazis...

Looking for clarification from those who claim that fascism is limited to the so-called "right (wing)."

It is not a claim, it is fact that Fascism has nothing to do with the Left. At a guess, you seem to think Fascism means authoritarianism. It does not, although Fascist regimes are authoritarian.

At the far Right of the political spectrum you have Fascism and Nazism. At the far Left you have Communism. Both are authoritarian.

Fascism is a far-right political philosophy, or theory of government, that emerged in the early twentieth century. Fascism prioritizes the nation over the individual, who exists to serve the nation. While fascist movements could be found in almost every country following World War I, fascism was most successful in Italy and Germany.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/fascism-1

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[SUP][1][/SUP] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy[SUP][2][/SUP] that rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe
Opposed to anarchism, democracy, liberalism, and Marxism,[SUP][5][/SUP] fascism is placed on the far-right wing within the traditional left–right spectrum.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

To many Americans, fascism is just another word for despotism, or any moves away from democracy. But fascism is something more specific, a philosophy defined by a particular powder keg of values. This error is commonplace because American history is always taught in public school as the narrative of the triumph of capitalist American democracy against all forms of tyranny or revolution. Americans against the British Imperialists, Americans against the Nazis, Americans against the Communists, America against the terrorists. Thus it’s is only natural to think of fascism like so:
Fascism is a radical-right movement in direct opposition to everything the left stands for.
https://subversas.com/fascism-right-or-left/

 

[Montuno]

Believe me. I was born in the last period of Francoism and as for capitalism, it was the same as now in the EU or in the USA (only with much more poverty): you could buy (if you could afford it) any car you wanted: an English Rolls Royce, an Italian Ferrari, a USA Dodge, a German Mercedes, a French Citroën, a Spanish SEAT...and yes, also a Russian Lada, or a Czechoslovakian Skoda or an East German Trabant or Wartburg...

In other words, ButterflyEffect :

There was total freedom of the market and private economy... What there was not was political freedom or freedom to vote, freedom of expression, religious freedom, sexual freedom, female freedom (my mother would need a signed authorization from my father to work, manage business, leave the country...).

Pd: of course! :

You could buy a Soviet car, but not a Soviet political book. You could watch any US movie, except for things like "The Great Dictator" or "For Whom the Bell Tolls?"....

 

[Montuno]

It is not a claim, it is fact that Fascism has nothing to do with the Left. At a guess, you seem to think Fascism means authoritarianism. It does not, although Fascist regimes are authoritarian.

At the far Right of the political spectrum you have Fascism and Nazism. And un the far Left you have Communism. Both are authoritarian.
(...)

I disagree that Communism has to be authoritarian, exclusivity. I already listed the list of communist parties that have come to power democratically: France, Spain, Chile, Uruguay...I seem to remember. And they left exactly as democratically that power...except for those who had coups or foreign invasions.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

No?
This you?

That is me. But, I just don't see where I said anything resembling what you say I said.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

It is not a claim, it is fact that Fascism has nothing to do with the Left. At a guess, you seem to think Fascism means authoritarianism. It does not, although Fascist regimes are authoritarian.

At the far Right of the political spectrum you have Fascism and Nazism. At the far Left you have Communism. Both are authoritarian.


To many Americans, fascism is just another word for despotism, or any moves away from democracy. But fascism is something more specific, a philosophy defined by a particular powder keg of values. This error is commonplace because American history is always taught in public school as the narrative of the triumph of capitalist American democracy against all forms of tyranny or revolution. Americans against the British Imperialists, Americans against the Nazis, Americans against the Communists, America against the terrorists. Thus it’s is only natural to think of fascism like so:
Fascism is a radical-right movement in direct opposition to everything the left stands for.
https://subversas.com/fascism-right-or-left/

Communism and fascism are not opposites. One is a method of governance and the other is an economic model.

If fascism is the opposite of everything leftists stand for then why are they supporting Nazis in Ukraine? Aren't Nazis fascist? Are Nazis right or left?

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

How can fascism be only "right-wing" if the very concept of left vs right is just arbitrary nonsense?

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Or, is it like the word "racism?" A word which used to mean characterizing (judging) someone by the color of their skin. Now it just means "the behaviors and actions of white people."

 

[Chi13]

Communism and fascism are not opposites. One is a method of governance and the other is an economic model.

If fascism is the opposite of everything leftists stand for then why are they supporting Nazis in Ukraine? Aren't Nazis fascist? Are Nazis right or left?

NO ONE is supporting Nazi's in Ukraine. However there are some Nazi's in the Ukraine. It does not mean that Ukraine is a Nazi state. Their president is Jewish FFS. Nazi's are an extreme expression of Fascism.

Your posts are frankly idiotic. You cannot just change the meaning of words to fit into your twisted world view.

 

[Chi13]

How can fascism be only "right-wing" if the very concept of left vs right is just arbitrary nonsense?

YOur posts are arbitrary nonsense. I'm not giving you a sociology lesson. You are just too stupid to understand simple concepts.

gypsy please get this upgrade done so I can put these fuckwits on ignore.