Hombre del mont
Dr of Stupidity
There is a whole thread devoted to SMH, Super Malawi Haze I think you'll find all your answers in there.
I've grown it twice outdoors and rate it very highly. A very productive plant too
Zenith feminized limited edition
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I've grown it twice outdoors and rate it very highly. A very productive plant too
IndicaFarmer
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What about 11/13 from seed crack? is this doable? I have done this with a Zamal male, but it has just started flowering so I do not know the total outcome. My grow area is a tent, about 5 foot long, 2.5 wide and 6 foot tall. My light is 340 watt led, with a supplement blue led, 40 watts times two. I also threw in two cfls, 15 watts each for more blue again. I am going to grow in a month or two after I finish my mish mashup crosses, including some Laos, Zamal, Durban and my own mix of unknown, found by the roadside nld old strain, probably a Mexican Brick weed variety someone discarded. Yeah, I have overloaded the tent, cant wait to get them finished, they are all seeded up. The doner pollen also being, Durban, Purple Sat and Oaxacan. Purely ridiculous and disorganized! But I have been keeping records and keeping pollen in the freezer for later. Peace and thanks for the info/ideas.
I have a big older led system that’s never left it’s box 
, so I’m not experienced with those lights, but it seems you’ve got plenty of watts to support a plant or two. 11/13 from seed seems reasonable, but I’d expect you’ll need to top and or train pretty diligently. Of course, pheno dependent. Good luck, I’ll enjoy following along.
, so I’m not experienced with those lights, but it seems you’ve got plenty of watts to support a plant or two. 11/13 from seed seems reasonable, but I’d expect you’ll need to top and or train pretty diligently. Of course, pheno dependent. Good luck, I’ll enjoy following along.
Boss Cocky
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Boss Cocky
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@dubi,
What sort of ratio of the "climbing the walls" pheno to the "levitating on cotton wool" pheno can we generally expect?
Also, I'd like to take a guess at which is which from the terpene analysis reports. I'm guessing that Zenith E and 5 are "climbing the walls" and Zenith 1 and 4 are levitating on cotton wool."
What sort of ratio of the "climbing the walls" pheno to the "levitating on cotton wool" pheno can we generally expect?
Also, I'd like to take a guess at which is which from the terpene analysis reports. I'm guessing that Zenith E and 5 are "climbing the walls" and Zenith 1 and 4 are levitating on cotton wool."
island_organics
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Rapid delivery as usual from ace seeds. Gonna get one of these going tonight.
hi,
i started 3 Zenith In 16/8, 3 weeks ago. I flipped them to 11/13 after 15 days but it was a mistake. 2 plants are tiny and not very vigorous, and finicky with N.
I started this 3 zenith with one Golden Tiger x panama, at the same time, flipped at the same time to 11/13. This is a Beast regardless of the 2 small zenith. On the pictures above they are all approx 3 weeks old. i have 1 sativa looking pheno and 2 very small plants which would deserve 3-4 weeks of veg to flower in 3 gallon / 11L pot. I think they are probably the fast pheno of zenith. The biggest zenith (Z1) on the left of the first pic, is bigger and taller and looks more sativa, this is probably the longer flowering pheno.
I vegged them and pre flower them with LED veg spectrum 7200K with high blue output to keep them as compact as possible. I will flip to bloom spectrum (2500K) with high red/far red output when they will show the first pre flowers.
Z1 tall pheno on the left and z2 short pheno on the right
Zenith 3 (z3) vs GTxP (on the right), one gallon 4L pots
GTxP on the left and z1 on the right
the bloom tent, killerA5haze on the left and the 3 zenith + 1 GTxP on the right, 11/13 photoperiod
greetz!
i started 3 Zenith In 16/8, 3 weeks ago. I flipped them to 11/13 after 15 days but it was a mistake. 2 plants are tiny and not very vigorous, and finicky with N.
I started this 3 zenith with one Golden Tiger x panama, at the same time, flipped at the same time to 11/13. This is a Beast regardless of the 2 small zenith. On the pictures above they are all approx 3 weeks old. i have 1 sativa looking pheno and 2 very small plants which would deserve 3-4 weeks of veg to flower in 3 gallon / 11L pot. I think they are probably the fast pheno of zenith. The biggest zenith (Z1) on the left of the first pic, is bigger and taller and looks more sativa, this is probably the longer flowering pheno.
I vegged them and pre flower them with LED veg spectrum 7200K with high blue output to keep them as compact as possible. I will flip to bloom spectrum (2500K) with high red/far red output when they will show the first pre flowers.
Z1 tall pheno on the left and z2 short pheno on the right
Zenith 3 (z3) vs GTxP (on the right), one gallon 4L pots
GTxP on the left and z1 on the right
the bloom tent, killerA5haze on the left and the 3 zenith + 1 GTxP on the right, 11/13 photoperiod
greetz!
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Boss Cocky
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Thanks for your post, @rcco. I'm outdoor only these days, and I was considering whether to pop the pack now and throw them straight in to flower (Southern Hemisphere), or whether to be patient and wait until next season due to the minimal stretch in the short pheno. If I was in your position, I would have probably run them untopped and bent over the tall ones.
@Boss Cocky
you are right. I didn’t top the two small phenos, I only topped the big one z1 and the GTxP. May be I will keep the two tallest and vigorous plants in the 4L pot and repot the 2 small ones in 11L pots at 4 weeks. Or flower them in other tent with small plants. Anyway I will adapt, and keep cuttings of all plants to veg them properly for next grow. I have other vigorous sativas to flower in this tent, one Panama from seeds vegging in the veg tent, and killerA5haze cuttings and one Thai chi cutting, so this tent will be filled properly with nice big sativas.
greetz!
you are right. I didn’t top the two small phenos, I only topped the big one z1 and the GTxP. May be I will keep the two tallest and vigorous plants in the 4L pot and repot the 2 small ones in 11L pots at 4 weeks. Or flower them in other tent with small plants. Anyway I will adapt, and keep cuttings of all plants to veg them properly for next grow. I have other vigorous sativas to flower in this tent, one Panama from seeds vegging in the veg tent, and killerA5haze cuttings and one Thai chi cutting, so this tent will be filled properly with nice big sativas.
greetz!
Boss Cocky
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My bad. I didn't look closely enough at the small Zeniths and assumed they were topped because of how bushy they were. Really nice selection you have. It will be interesting to compare the Zenith with the GTP for effects and terps. Also the KA5H and GTP for yield. The possibility of GTP out yielding KA5H is truely mind blowing!
Zumurrud calina
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Just to pop in here. I’ve got a couple of these in about week 4-5 of veg (bought on day of release I think) and it is obvious that you can push the feed as high as you dare. Mine are a little underfed, basically as its easier to rectify I nearly always underfeed and adjust accordingly. Obv don’t take the piss but you can prob go higher than you are comfortable with the feed at an earlier stage.
I’ve taken weekly pics and will post some next week when (I think) I’ll put them to flower. Ed - I‘m pretty sure I’ve got 1 of each pheno.
ed also I didn’t see the recent posts above by rcco. I toyed with the idea of flipping early as got couple of tropical sats (1 an ot haze I’d wager) that need going into flower (my set up very minor) but am glad I didn’t now! I’ll keep an eye out for how yours progress over the next week, mine are still squat (10-15cm)) but very tight nodes (5-6).
I’ve taken weekly pics and will post some next week when (I think) I’ll put them to flower. Ed - I‘m pretty sure I’ve got 1 of each pheno.
ed also I didn’t see the recent posts above by rcco. I toyed with the idea of flipping early as got couple of tropical sats (1 an ot haze I’d wager) that need going into flower (my set up very minor) but am glad I didn’t now! I’ll keep an eye out for how yours progress over the next week, mine are still squat (10-15cm)) but very tight nodes (5-6).
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island_organics
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Zenith germinating three days after a twenty-four soak
Lebanizer
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That strain sounds like Frankenstein Panama on steroids ! I will never try it, that's for sure !
I've tried Panama and it was certainly an absolute blast. But retrospectively I can clearly see how, despite the instant fun, it is detrimental to me on the long run. The outpour of energy made me slightly manic, getting up, dancing, laughing in an uncontrolled way and completely blew away my ability to focus. Just wow ! It really was an atomic bomb in my brain. The positive is that it widened my view about how rich and diverse the cannabis experience is as I would never have expected cannabis could be so energetic and it made me curious about tropical strains . But it's too much for me to handle so I'll never use Panama again. I prefer more gentle and rounded sativas such as ACE's Ethiopean which I grew this winter and was very fond of ! It's a pity though about Panama I was originally so enthralled by it that I reproduced the strain. I could use it in a breeding project though since it has a lot of desirable qualities : potency, very productive and super lush velvet smooth incense/sage aroma. So that new Zenith strain is not something I care to try but on the other hand I'm not surprised ACE came up with it, it was very clearly the direction they were heading for. I mean Golden Tiger, Zamaldelica all that craze with Malawi and Panama hybrids etc... Zenith is the logical next step. And it's just cool to see a commercial breeder getting past the NL/SKunk/haze syndrome and invigor the scene with new quality genetics !
But even if I won't use Panama again, or if i'll never try Zenith doesn't mean other people shouldn't if they want to and use it responsibly.
This being saif if anyone finds a "floating in space" pheno, I'm in !
! I will never try it, that's for sure !I've tried Panama and it was certainly an absolute blast. But retrospectively I can clearly see how, despite the instant fun, it is detrimental to me on the long run. The outpour of energy made me slightly manic, getting up, dancing, laughing in an uncontrolled way and completely blew away my ability to focus. Just wow ! It really was an atomic bomb in my brain. The positive is that it widened my view about how rich and diverse the cannabis experience is as I would never have expected cannabis could be so energetic and it made me curious about tropical strains . But it's too much for me to handle so I'll never use Panama again. I prefer more gentle and rounded sativas such as ACE's Ethiopean which I grew this winter and was very fond of ! It's a pity though about Panama I was originally so enthralled by it that I reproduced the strain. I could use it in a breeding project though since it has a lot of desirable qualities : potency, very productive and super lush velvet smooth incense/sage aroma. So that new Zenith strain is not something I care to try but on the other hand I'm not surprised ACE came up with it, it was very clearly the direction they were heading for. I mean Golden Tiger, Zamaldelica all that craze with Malawi and Panama hybrids etc... Zenith is the logical next step. And it's just cool to see a commercial breeder getting past the NL/SKunk/haze syndrome and invigor the scene with new quality genetics !
But even if I won't use Panama again, or if i'll never try Zenith doesn't mean other people shouldn't if they want to and use it responsibly.
This being saif if anyone finds a "floating in space" pheno, I'm in
!Zenith sounds wonderful. What surprises me, is that this cross wasn't offered many years ago.
island_organics
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Zenith spreading her little wings.
island_organics
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Zenith at three weeks. She’s getting re-potted today.
Zumurrud calina
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Ok, I haven't been on this site for a while and i can't remember how to upload pics as nowhere is giving me an option to do that -in my albums for instance. I can't find anything that helps either through the search or google. I'll continue to try for a while but can anyone post an idiots guide to how to post pics please?
