Zamaldelica

[OZZ_]

Zam hunting in a microgrow?

Zam hunting in a microgrow?

What’s up guys? I’ve got 12 Zamaldelica seeds from sometime around 2014/2015/2016 or so that I want to start searching through. However, I’m a micro grower and my flowering chamber is 22”Lx16”D with a max allowable plant height of probably around 30” or so to avoid light bleaching the tops.

I’m thinking of trying to pop six seeds in these small pots (see attachments), going 12/12 from seed so I can flower them out, separate the males and do an initial pheno selection on the females. The pots are 4.75”x4.75”x4.25”H (volume calculator says approx 1/3 gallon or about 1 liter pots).

My question is this, to those of you that have grown Zamaldelica, if I pop them at 12/12 from seed in those small 1 liter pots to flower them out microstyle, do you think I’d be able to keep them under 30” in height? Is this doable? Once I find my keeper mom I’ll flower a single clone in the same setup only in a 3 gallon dish tray and scrog net and let her develop more, but I want to pheno hunt through these seeds and this is the only way I can think to do it in my small setup.

Lighting is an HLG-100 LED panel, and I grow in organic soil. I was thinking if they would stay small I could do 6 at a time, but maybe 4 is more doable.

 

[Breadwizard]

I have a very limited space as well, and I have dealt with my zams through topping them manifold style into 4 tops, and keeping them in pretty small pots (started in 4" then moved to short 1 gallon pots after the last topping). I also tied them down close to the pots, I'd say there are about 6 nodes worth of horizontal growth before they become vertical again. I have kept them below 24" this way, but it's a pretty intensive method.

 

[OZZ_]

Thanks for the input, for reference, if you had to guess, how tall would you think (on average) they would grow in those 4.75” pots started 12/12 from seed? That’s really what I need to know. I’m ok with having them flower out to small single colas so I can pick one or two phenos to then run, one at a time, with the full root space in a larger pot. I need to know how many I can flower at a time, in small pots, in that space so that I can compare phenos. If I have to train them down that much, even in 4” pots, I might not be able to do more than two at a time!!!

 

[YukonKronic]

Thanks for the input, for reference, if you had to guess, how tall would you think (on average) they would grow in those 4.75” pots started 12/12 from seed? That’s really what I need to know. I’m ok with having them flower out to small single colas so I can pick one or two phenos to then run, one at a time, with the full root space in a larger pot. I need to know how many I can flower at a time, in small pots, in that space so that I can compare phenos. If I have to train them down that much, even in 4” pots, I might not be able to do more than two at a time!!!

If you line pots up at either end you should be able to train them across the 22 inches and (maybe?) not have problems... issue would be overlap... I would guess you MIGHT be able to do six plants at a time then. 3 at each end... if you top a cola it will just fatten up instead of elongating and Zam takes pruning well even into mid flower.

 

[Breadwizard]

I let them go to about 6 nodes, then top down to the second node, then top again after a new nodes, and let them get to about six nodes per branch (4 at this point) at about 6" tall when I transplant them into 1 gallon, then to flower a week later.

Single kola would probably end up at 30 inches or higher 12/12 from seed. Part of why I top is it keeps the height down, as all four tops share the sane energy that one would have.

 

[Tangwena]

If you dont feed them much until you see sex then choose one or two and LST the hell out of them maybe.
If you get the Malawi pheno its OK but the Zamal pheno will take over the whole cabinet on its own.
I would just go with one nice female and you will get heaps of buds if you grow it scrog or LST style.
This stuff is so good no matter what pheno you grow if you grow it well you will love it I am sure 5 star weed with a 5 star effect.

 

[Tangwena]

Freshly harvested Zamaldelica buds

Freshly harvested Zamaldelica buds

 

[SolarLogos]

View Image

Nice Tangwena, you're going to be cobbing that and getting back to us in another couple months right? No pressure
Impressive as always my friend.
Peace, God bless

 

[OZZ_]

I appreciate all the input everyone! I have a ton of equipment for larger grows, but it’s all in storage as we simply don’t have the room at this time and the Microcab is the best thing I could get the mrs to agree on in this condo. So as much as I hate it, it’s what I’m stuck with. All things considered Maybe I’ll just pop four beans and keep them low bonsai style in my veg chamber until they show sex, then figure out what to do from there based on how they look. Maybe best to shoot for two plants, in those 4.75” pots, topped and LST’d to keep them under that 30” by aggressively tying then down. I’m going to give it a shot anyway after the current grow is finished. ��

 

[YukonKronic]

I appreciate all the input everyone! I have a ton of equipment for larger grows, but it’s all in storage as we simply don’t have the room at this time and the Microcab is the best thing I could get the mrs to agree on in this condo. So as much as I hate it, it’s what I’m stuck with. All things considered Maybe I’ll just pop four beans and keep them low bonsai style in my veg chamber until they show sex, then figure out what to do from there based on how they look. Maybe best to shoot for two plants, in those 4.75” pots, topped and LST’d to keep them under that 30” by aggressively tying then down. I’m going to give it a shot anyway after the current grow is finished. ��

Attaboy. Experience shouldn’t prevent experimentation. It’s well known Zam can be a beast but it HAS been managed before with training topping and root restriction and I for one am more excited to see that envelope pushed than fearful of the possibility of failure. Which is a distinct possibility... sort of. Your goal should be remembered. Your just after a few buds to give you an idea of your favourite.
The only thing I would really hate to see is that you flower a clone and the extreme conditions cause it to stress and give you a bad showing thereby causing the plant to be chucked... please keep your mothers if your able until you know that quality is possible in your experiment.

This is neat. I don’t think it will be easy but I’m interested in how far you can push this concept. If you fail you can still try em one at a time... it really is true that every pheno so far is good.

Edit: here’s where it could go wrong

The Kraken-problem: (Zamaldelica #6)

View Image View Image View Image



Im intrested if others have experienced an extremely high posphate demand on thai/zamal phenos?

52P-34K , MKP (3/10 part)
+
8-12-24 (7/10 part)
@ 1,3 EC

+ 10-50-10 foliar (every other day) @1,6 EC

is actual nutrition(salts)

 

[OZZ_]

I hear you on all counts, keep in mind I’ve got 12 seeds, I’ll only be popping 4 of them at this time so if things go south Ill still have 8 to do something with under better conditions. They are probably pushing 5 years old though, so I need to do something with them and want to keep the genetics alive so I’ll be collecting pollen from any males I have and will save it to pollinate a few lower buds when I grow out my keeper female by herself in the cab, AFTER doing this pheno hunt. I don’t want to derail this thread with hypotheticals, so I’ll start a new grow log to record my efforts and successes or failures Therein. Thanks again for the advice, I’ll send you a link to the thread once o get up and running. It will be a bit though, as I’ve got a freebie going right now to make sure the growcab works well. I always run a freebie feminized seed first in a new grow environment to make sure things are operating properly before breaking out my prized genetics. This freebie is a FEM Chocolate Mint OG from humboldt seeds. About 3 weeks from seed, I just topped her so I’ll probably Give her another few weeks before flipping her, she’s only just now hit the fifth node, topped down to fourth.

Thanks again

 

[GET MO]

GET MO - Every time I look at this thread, I drool over the picture of your plant. Looks soooo nice.

Glad yall diggin her. I’ll keep updatin as she grow. She gettin huge, not sure how ima manage her yet when it comes time to tie up, ect...

 

[GET MO]

View Image

Looks like some dope Tangwena!

 

[vcasqui]

Glad yall diggin her. I’ll keep updatin as she grow. She gettin huge, not sure how ima manage her yet when it comes time to tie up, ect...

View Image

wow, beatifull huge plant. I love those thin leafs. Very pretty.

 

[Tangwena]

Looks like some dope Tangwena!

Thanks brother its like LSD to me without the visuals but laughing my ass off party weed.
This is what it looks like now smells like pine hash and is moist and needs to be cut with your finger nail or knife.
I just chewed the 2 tiny pieces and my ears are ringing he he.
Its going to get really crazy in an hour or two ha ha.

 

[GET MO]

I think I’ll make some cobs with this when its done.
This the last shot before i had to bend it over, was gettin too tall and visible over the 8 ft fence even tho its not really close to the fence line.

N heres the other one, its greened up n lookin nicer every day...

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks for that pic. That is how they are supposed to look. Magnificent!

 

[GET MO]

Update...
Pheno 1

Pheno 2

 

[ThaiBliss]

Dang! They both look pretty good.

 

[orfeas]

I have come across three seeds of a 2013 batch, tried germinating them but only one made it to the world above...hope I have a girl...
There it is at sunup!

orfeas