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ISRA HELL

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HOW MANY’ISRAELIS DID THE ISRAELI’ARMY KILL ITSELF ?​

Evidence is accumulating on the’importance, which will never be exactly quantifiable, the number of Israeli civilians killed by the firing of the Israeli’ army itself during the’ assault on the border area on October 7.

We already had, from an Israeli source, the testimony of the survivor Yasmine Porat, who had told how the soldiers of his country had indiscriminately shot at a house where there were Hamas fighters and their Israeli prisoners, until’ then safe and properly treated.

Exploiting articles from Israeli sources (the daily newspaper Haaretz) and American (the television channel MSNBC), the publisher of the site The Electronic Intifada, Ali Abuminah, it brings substantial elements to the controversy.

It recalls in advance that the maximum exaggeration of the toll of the Israeli victims of October 7 was a key element of the propaganda of the’apartheid regime, allowing it to, relayed without batting an eye by the Western media, to present Hamas as the exact equivalent of the jihadists of Daesh, whose atrocities, proven, are known and recognized worldwide.

The morbid fable of « dozens of decapitated babies », in a kibbutz with only 400 inhabitants, fizzled, as did that of « baby baked in the oven », while there is still no direct evidence of rape of Jewish women by Palestinian attackers ( which is not enough to say that there have been no rape and other crimes take care to specify Ali Abuminah ).

As for a photo supposed to show a vehicle of « terrorists » from Gaza receiving their just punishment, it took days for Israel to recognize that it was actually a Lebanese car, carrying a family of civilians, targeted by the Israeli army 200 kilometers further north. Three sisters aged 14, 12 and 10 were killed by this shot, their mother surviving seriously injured.

What about the « burned bodies », another very important element of the Israeli narrative, and its media coverage ?

The daily Haaretz of Saturday, November 18, tells, citing police sources, that the attackers of Hamas (and, a fortiori, non-combatants who have entered the breaches created by the attackers), n’ did not have prior knowledge of the holding of the now infamous musical festival of the Rave Party Supernova a few kilometers from the border.

Their main objective was to seize the siege of the « Division of Gaza » of the’arme d’occupation, fallen much more easily than had imagined the strategists of Hamas, at the price of dozens killed in the ranks of « Tsahal » and’an unknown number of soldiers taken as prisoners.

The Rave Party n’ would have been discovered only incidentally by Hamas attackers, thanks to the overflight of the area by its airmen aboard motorized delta planes and drones, information that would then have been passed on to the men on the ground.

What happened next ? On the Israeli side, we have the certainty that combat helicopters (24 in total participated in the operations during the day of October 7) quickly arrived in the area, and that’at least at first, some of these devices have engaged their enormous firepower (30 mm guns, American Hellfire missiles..), against anything that moved or had the’air to move on the ground.

It’ is in particular on this site that’ were found, according to the Israeli leaders, a significant number of the burned bodies of the bloody day.

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev made this point of view, without realizing the scope of his remarks, a major admission, at the’ antenna of the television channel MSNBC.

He was the first to announce the downward revision of the total Israeli death toll, which has been around 1,400 in the past month, to 1,200 now.

« We made an estimation error. There were bodies burned in such a state that it took us some time to identify them as belonging to people of Hamas, not to Israelis. Hence this revised downward balance sheet », he said, speaking both of the balance sheet at the Rave Party and in the surrounding kibbutz.

But Regev remained discreet about the importance of the Israeli military losses, to which our great Western media, in good relays of Israeli propaganda, pay almost no attention. « IDF » is by definition invincible, isn't it ?

But who then burned these 200 Hamas fighters, being admitted that’s did not burn themselves ? The israeli army, necessarily.

And if the Israeli’arme is responsible, as it claims, for these deaths, to whom to blame the bodies of Israeli civilians also found burned ?

Knowing that Hamas had only SMALL arms, capable of killing by bullets or by explosion (with grenades, for example), while’il is established that the Israeli’army has both admitted to having fired (including missiles) in an indiscriminate manner at least one time and « managed » to produce 200 charred bodies of Hamas fighters, it is necessary to admit that’elle also contributed to the burning of a number of Israeli civilians.

It is very important to know that these facts took place BEFORE the first Israeli bomb fell on Gaza on the evening of October 7.

Asked by MSNBC journalist about the Palestinian civilian deaths in the bombing of the Gaza Strip, Regev responded with his usual cynicism that it was because of Hamas, who used civilians as human shields. Suddenly, the most moral « army in the world » could not prevent there from being a few collateral « victims.

« Does this mean that you would bomb houses or schools inside Israel, if you had previously determined that Hamas terrorists were in it ? », then asked the journalist for MSNBC Mehdi Hassan. Regev was unable to answer this particularly embarrassing question for his narrative, but which we know really happened on October 7, 2023 at the edge of the Gaza Strip, before the start of the genocidal operation.

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Combien d’Israéliens l’armée israélienne a-t-elle tué elle-même ? - CAPJPO EuroPalestine

Les preuves s’accumulent sur l’importance, qui ne sera jamais exactement chiffrable, du nombre de civils israéliens tués par les tirs de l’armée israélienne elle-même lors de l’assaut du Hamas sur la zone frontière le 7 octobre dernier. Le site de la Rave Party, après le 7 octobre On avait...
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Pro-Iranian group threatens to sink NATO fleet with unmanned boats​

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The pro-Iranian group Harakat al-Nujbaa has announced the reception of unmanned boats equipped with explosives that can travel a distance of up to 500 km. According to this information, the group is ready to use these boats to attack western marine ships in the eastern Mediterranean and north of the Red Sea.

The appearance of such weapons in the hands of Harakat al-Nujbaa raises serious concerns, given the strategic importance of these regions, as well as tensions in relations between Iran and Western countries. The possibility of an attack on warships indicates an increase in the group's military potential and its willingness to act actively.

The range of these boats is also a concern, as it allows them to operate at significant distances from their home base, this could increase the threat to the United States and Western countries.
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What do people think Israel/ Palestine will look like after this war? I at one time felt that there was some hope for a two state solution. When I look at polling of both Israelis and Palestinians before this war they each seem to have about 60% of people on either side who were opposed to two states though. Is this just going to continue to be perpetual bloodshed? Or are there rumblings of other solutions to this problem? Solutions other than it is all Israeli territory, or all Palestinian territory, as neither of those seem palatable to many nations beyond the players involved. Don't get me wrong I know some people push for both, I don't think that either would ever materialize though.

Bombing the hell out of people seems to be a very good way to ensure a whole new traumatized generation is created, which creates all the fodder that is necessary to perpetuate this cycle. It seemed that the Saudi normalization talks with Israel was going to be a possible stepping stone to a two state solution, involving the PA. This would have given the US, Saudis, and even somewhat Israel what they wanted, which is to reduce the influence of Iran in the region, and to bolster the Saudis influence. That now doesn't seem very possible under the current Israeli leadership or with Hamas controlling Gaza.

Anybody have any solutions?
 
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@peace said:
What do people think Israel/ Palestine will look like after this war? I at one time felt that there was some hope for a two state solution. When I look at polling of both Israelis and Palestinians before this war they each seem to have about 60% of people on either side who were opposed to two states though. Is this just going to continue to be perpetual bloodshed? Or are there rumblings of other solutions to this problem? Solutions other than it is all Israeli territory, or all Palestinian territory, as neither of those seem palatable to many nations beyond the players involved. Don't get me wrong I know some people push for both, I don't think that either would ever materialize though.

Bombing the hell out of people seems to be a very good way to ensure a whole new traumatized generation is created, which creates all the fodder that is necessary to perpetuate this cycle. It seemed that the Saudi normalization talks with Israel was going to be a possible stepping stone to a two state solution, involving the PA. This would have given the US, Saudis, and even somewhat Israel what they wanted, which is to reduce the influence of Iran in the region, and to bolster the Saudis influence. That now doesn't seem very possible under the current Israeli leadership or with Hamas controlling Gaza.

Anybody have any solutions?
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one aspect does stick out to me, the extreme isolation that Israel was imposing on Ghaza
they were trying to keep the potential for terrorist infrastructure low
big fail there, strangled the Ghazan economy and made for an enhanced terrorist environment
munitions still got in, it was better at keeping out things that would help
that is something that needs to change
 
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Thnx found this at the beach today.Any thought which US bomber had this machine gun?
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all of them plus all fighter aircraft, ships, tanks, amphibious landing craft, you name it. it is the most common heavy machine gun round.

it is just one of the inventions of john moses browning, one of the most prolific arms designers to walk the face of the planet.

NIHF Inductee John Browning Invented the Breech Loading Rifle

NIHF Inductee John Browning, who invented the breech loading rifle, brought over thirty million modern weapons to market based on his designs.
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mean mr.mustard

mean mr.mustard

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Roms said:
ISRA HELL
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Yes nobody is arguing about antisemitism.

I'd say killing to get your own killed is a solid rebellion.

It's all coming up roses...

Both sides are so ingrained to lose to win with suckers on either side that humans are the smartest species alive 😂
 
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