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[mean mr.mustard]

Calling it a counteroffensive is proof enough for me.

I think it's a case of terrorism vs. terrorism and you see one side as justified.

I don't wish death upon anyone on either side and see any killing as working across purpose.

 

[Cannavore]

I didn't get enough traumatic brain injuries to think that innocent people deserve to die for headlines and attention.

That's called terrorism.

technically under international law, israeli settlers aren't innocent. they are complicit in war crimes. illegal settlements amount to a war crime.
often times they are protected and endorsed by the state to commit violence against palestinians to claim their land.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

technically under international law, israeli settlers aren't innocent. they are complicit in war crimes. illegal settlements amount to a war crime.
often times they are protected and endorsed by the state to commit violence against palestinians to claim their land.

Better wipe them out then.

 

[Cannavore]

there's only one side calling for and actively participating in genocide here lol

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Israel is too apparently.

 

[GenghisKush]

there's only one side calling for and actively participating in genocide here lol

Now, I'm no expert. But. I think the statement, "We will repeat the October 7 attacks time and again until Israel is annihilated" is an explicit call for genocide. (This man is an official spokesperson for Hamas.)

Do you agree?

 

[Cannavore]

"we did not want to harm civilians" is a weird interpretation of genocide.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

A music festival is a strange place to expect to find one hundred percent soldiers and politicians.

 

[Cannavore]

It wasn't planned, and Israeli helicopters shot blindly in the crowds killing israeli's as well.

 

[GenghisKush]

"we did not want to harm civilians" is a weird interpretation of genocide.

Actually, it isn't. Especially so when those words are followed by a "but."

"Everything we do is justified."

 

[GenghisKush]

"we did not want to harm civilians" is a weird interpretation of genocide.

For historical context: The Nazis went to great lengths to assure the world that they did not want to harm civilians amid their genocide.

Theresienstadt: Red Cross Visit

Learn more about the Danish Red Cross visit to Theresienstadt and the Nazi attempt to clean and hide the true conditions of the camp.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

 

[Cannavore]

Actually, it isn't. Especially so when those words are followed by a "but."

"Everything we do is justified."

You seem to be more offended over words than the 15k dead Palestinians.

They are the victims. Liberating yourself from violent oppressors is indeed justified. It is Israel who has no justification for their actions.

 

[Cannavore]

For historical context: The Nazis went to great lengths to assure the world that they did not want to harm civilians amid their genocide.

Theresienstadt: Red Cross Visit

Learn more about the Danish Red Cross visit to Theresienstadt and the Nazi attempt to clean and hide the true conditions of the camp.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

And yet it's the zionists propaganda of today that most closely resembles nazi propaganda of yesteryear.

 

[GenghisKush]

You seem to be more offended over words than the 15k dead Palestinians.

They are the victims. Liberating yourself from violent oppressors is indeed justified. It is Israel who has no justification for their actions.

I'm not offended, I am worried. I see people enthusiastically repeating calls for genocide, and calling it justified.

 

[Cannavore]

it's nearly logistically impossible for hamas or palestinians in general to "genocide" israelis. they have no infrastructure, standing army, money, half the population of gaza are children, they have nothing.

palestinians have a right to defend themselves. israel does not.

 

[igrowone]

...
palestinians have a right to defend themselves. israel does not.

everyone has the right to defend themselves

 

[mean mr.mustard]

It wasn't planned

It takes a while to learn how to fly a paraglider so I assume that there was, at the least, training inherent.

It's a likely a rare situation to be paragliding with your weapon and ammunition and then see your buddies that just happened to be paragliding with their weapons and ammunition in the same direction towards the same location with no planning involved.

Avoiding civilians doesn't usually include taking them hostage or executing them now and later.

 

[Cannavore]

everyone has the right to defend themselves

if i steal your home and commit crimes against you and your family, and you show back up with guns to take your home back, is my right of self defense justified?

 

[Cannavore]

i'll post this one again

 

[igrowone]

if i steal your home and commit crimes against you and your family, and you show back up with guns to take your home back, is my right of self defense justified?

I don't disagree with a good deal of what you've posted, only that it's easy for anger to make for extremes in rhetoric
at some point the shooting will curtail, and the world will consider what to do
a clear head will be better than an enraged one