Looked at this stuff again today for some reason. It's so weird, so detached from reality, it's mesmerizing. I think about the audience for this stuff, and the propagandists writing it. They all have to be very very old?
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greyfader
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this is an interesting piece of information.
www.newsweek.com
Russia has issued 230,000 death certificates to families of soldiers killed in Ukraine. this information was leaked by someone.
and another ka-52 helicopter was lost this weekend. there is some debate about whether it was shot down or crashed due to pilot error or mechanical problems but it is still off the playing field.
Russia quietly orders 230k certificates for families of dead soldiers
Independent news outlet Verstka reported that the figures may indirectly indicate the approximate scale of the Russian losses in the war.
www.newsweek.com
Russia has issued 230,000 death certificates to families of soldiers killed in Ukraine. this information was leaked by someone.
and another ka-52 helicopter was lost this weekend. there is some debate about whether it was shot down or crashed due to pilot error or mechanical problems but it is still off the playing field.
Ukrainization of Taiwan by US and the Obstacles to Peaceful Reunification
To clearly explain a series of essential facts (including not widely noticed facts) about the relations between Taiwan Province, China, and the USA, one need to know the following basic facts: Ignorance of Taiwan Youth about their own Constitution Recently, a number of street interviews were...
www.unz.com
CIA revives Ukrainian Nazism
by Thierry MeyssanVOLTAIRE NETWORK | PARIS ( FRANCE ) | SEPTEMBER 5, 2023
It is not surprising that the CIA structures anti-Russians organizations. It is surprising, however, that she does not hesitate to choose Nazis and integral nationalists allegedly to defend freedom and democracy.
In the XIX ° century, the German and Austro-Hungarian Empires planned to destroy their rival, the Russian Empire. For this, the German and Austro-Hungarian foreign ministries launched a joint secret operation: the creation of the League of Allogene Peoples of Russia (Liga der Fremdvölker Rußlands - LFR ) [1].
Proclamation of independent Ukraine with Nazi dignitaries. Behind the speakers, the three portraits displayed are those of Stepan Bandera, Adolf Hitler and Yevhen Konovalets.
In 1943, the III ° Reich created the Anti-Bolshevik Block of Nations ( ABN ) to dislocate the Soviet Union. At the end of the Second World War, the United Kingdom and the United States recovered the Nazis and their collaborators and maintained the ABN [2]. However, given the millions of deaths he had committed, Frank Wisner, CIA number 2, rewrote his story. He had a number of booklets printed claiming that the ABN had been created at the Liberation. He claimed that the peoples of Central Europe and the Baltic had all collectively fought against both the Nazis and the Soviets. It’s a huge lie. In reality, many political parties in central Europe have sided with the Nazis against the Soviets, constituting SS divisions and providing almost all of the guards in the Nazi extermination camps.
John Loftus, the Special Prosecutor of the Office of Special Investigations, a unit of the United States Secretariat for Justice, testified that in 1980 he had found a small town in New Jersey, South River, home to a colony of ancient Belarusian SS. At the entrance to the city, a war memorial, decorated with SS symbols, celebrated their fallen comrades, while at the distance, a cemetery housed the tomb of the Belarusian Nazi Prime Minister, Radoslav Ostrovski [3].
It is often believed that the United States fought the Nazis and tried them in Nuremberg and Tokyo. But it’s wrong. If President Roosevelt was a convinced liberal, he believed it possible to recruit traitors and put them at his service. However, as he died before the end of the conflict, the criminals he surrounded himself were at the highest office. They hijacked certain administrations to pursue their objectives. This is what happened with the CIA.
Congress efforts with the Church Commission that exposed CIA crimes in the 1950s and 1960s have been of little use. All these opaque people went back underground, but did not stop their activities.
The Ukrainian « integral nationalists » of Dmytro Dontsov and his henchmen Stepan Bandera and Iaroslav Stetsko followed this path. The first, who was already a secret agent of the kaiser Wilhelm II, then of the führer Adolf Hitler, was recovered by the CIA, lived in Canada and died in 1973 in New Jersey, in South River, contrary to what his Wikipedia notice claims. He was one of the Reich’s worst mass criminals. He disappeared from Ukraine during the War and became administrator of the Reinard Heydrich Institute in Prague. He was one of the designers of the final solution to the Gypsy and Jewish questions [4].
Tchang Kai-Chek and Iaroslav Stetsko at the founding of the World Anti-Communist League.
His henchmen, Stepan Bandera and Iaroslav Stetsko, were hired by the CIA in Munich. They provided Ukrainian language broadcasts from Radio Free Europe and organized sabotage operations in the Soviet Union. Stepan Bandera had perpetrated a number of massacres and proclaimed Ukraine’s independence from the Nazis. However, he too had disappeared from Ukraine during the War. He assured that he had been imprisoned in « honorable captivity » in an extermination camp. This is unlikely since he re-emerged in 1944 and was entrusted by the Reich to govern Ukraine and to fight the Soviets. He may have lived at the camp administration headquarters in Oranienbourg-Sachsenhausen, and may have worked there on the Nazi project to exterminate the « » races supposed to bribe the Aryans. During the Cold War, he walked in the « free world » and came to Canada to offer Dmytro Dontssov to become the head of his organization. [5].
Time has passed, these mass criminals died without ever having to account. Their organizations, the OUN and the ABN should have disappeared too. It is not. The OUN has reconstituted itself in the wake of the war in Ukraine. The ABN too. It now has a website. It reads post-war propaganda booklets that the organization never existed before the fall of the Reich. The ABN is now continuing with the « Free Nations PostRussia Forum » ( Forum of Free Nations of the Post-Russia ) to be held on September 26-27-28 in London, Paris, and possibly in Strasbourg. Its objective is always the same: to dislocate the Russian Federation into 41 separate states. No doubt is possible about the parentage of this forum: while he claims to speak for the peoples of Russia,he is not content to accuse Moscow, but also attacks popular China, North Korea and Iran. In his documents he also addresses the issue of Venezuela, Belarus and Syria. However, the ABN participated in the creation and animation of the World Anti-Communist League [6], where most of the dictators of the planet, now elegantly known as the World League for Freedom and Democracy, met.
This Post-Russia Free Nations Forum was created by the CIA in response to Russian military intervention in Ukraine. In a year and a half, it has already met 7 times, in Poland, the Czech Republic, the United States, Sweden and the European and Japanese Parliaments. At the same time, the CIA has created governments in exile for Belarus and Tatarstan, as it did for Iraq and Syria. No one has recognized them yet, but the European Union has already received them with deference. These governments in exile are added to that of Itchkérie ( to understand Chechnya ) already old.
The Post-Russia Free Nations Forum intends to dismantle the Russian Federation into 41 independent states.
The current system is not designed to complete its proclaimed goal. The United States does not intend to dislocate the Russian Federation, a nuclear power. Most of their leaders are aware that such an event would completely destabilize international relations and could start a nuclear war. No, it is rather a question of mobilizing in the service of the United States the people who hope to achieve this improbable objective of dissecting Russia.
Some political figures lend themselves to this game. This is the case of the former Polish Minister for Foreign Affairs, Anna Fotyga. It was she who, in 2016, presented a resolution to the European Parliament on strategic communications from the European Union. She had imagined a system of influence on all the major media in the Union which has proven to be effective. Or, a French centrist deputy, Frederick Petit. Already, in 2014, the headliners of his party ( François Bayrou and Mireille de Sarnez ) had gone to Place Maidan in Kiev to be photographed alongside the « integral nationalists ». I will not speak here of former Russian MP Ilya Ponomarev.
Think tanks too, like the Jamestown Foundation. It was founded with the help of William J. Casey, director of the CIA, on the occasion of a trademark defector from the USSR. It was banned in Russia in 2020 ( that is to say before the Ukrainian War ), because it was already printing documents on the breakup of Russia. Finally, the Hudson Institute, meanwhile, is funded by Taiwan through its agency the World League for Freedom and Democracy ( ex-World Anti-Communist League ). Thus he was able to host a session of the Post-Russia Free Nations Forum.
The CIA revives Ukrainian Nazism, by Thierry Meyssan
It’s not surprising that the CIA structures anti-Russian organizations. It is, however, surprising that it doesn’t hesitate to choose Nazis and mainstream nationalists ostensibly to defend freedom and democracy.
www.voltairenet.org
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Why?
Am I supposed to say something?
Russia sucks. Putin is an asshole. War isn't cool.
How did I do?
Am I supposed to say something?
Russia sucks. Putin is an asshole. War isn't cool.
How did I do?
Life is priceless.
greyfader
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well Rob, i used to entertain hope that you were intelligent enough not to become another subscriber to conspiracy theorists. i am sincerely disappointed and feel sorry for you! i hope you can educate yourself and recover from this illness.Welcome back Roms. This thread is downright boring without you. I expect a mustard bomb to drop anytime now
www.unz.com is run by Ron Unz, a Holocaust denier and white nationalist/white supremacist. anything he publishes is toilet paper.
Voltairenet.org
The Voltaire Network (French: Réseau Voltaire) is an international non-profit advocacy and alternative media organisation founded and lead by French journalist Thierry Meyssan. It specialices in international relations and has become known for advocating conspiracy theories, notably relating to the 9/11 terrorist attacks and those in support of Russia,[1] the Syrian (Bashar al-Assad) and Iranian governments.[2]
more toilet paper from Roms.
seriously Rob, you have to be more intelligent than this!
Of course it applies to anyone dying on the battlefield.
Are you under the impression that I want Russians to die?
I have stated my position clearly multiple times.
greyfader
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Rob seems to have conveniently forgotten exactly who is sending Russians to their deaths in Ukraine.
230,000 thousand of them dead with twice that number wounded.
RobFromTX
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Yeah you notice ukraine doesnt release their death numbers either. You think thats pure coincidence? But your name chatter makes sense in todays hippieverse. Anyone who doesn't want to be involved in war is a conspiracy theorist
MOST people want nothing to do with a war. and no, not ALL of them are conspiracy wingnuts either...
all of the above. just what makes you think that anyone here WANTS this war to continue? wanting Ukraine to be able to repel Russian aggression is NOT "pro-war". giving in to aggression just means you will be seeing more of it. Russian military forces are free to return to internationally recognized borders. if they stop shooting, load up their shit and go home, no one is going to attack them en route...well, maybe other Russian troops.
RobFromTX
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Nobodys gonna "load up their shit and go home". This thread will go another 10 years. easily
Welcome back Roms
Oh! I didn't know that you were looking for content
greyfader
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yep, i noticed, but the Russians have conveniently, if unintentionally, supplied the world with actual figures in the form of death certificates issued to the families of the deceased. i'm sure the Kremlin is not happy about this information getting out of the bag.Yeah you notice ukraine doesnt release their death numbers either. You think thats pure coincidence? But your name chatter makes sense in todays hippieverse. Anyone who doesn't want to be involved in war is a conspiracy theorist
i'm sure the Ukrainians have lost a bunch of people too.
i certainly am against this war. i wish the Russians had not invaded Ukraine.
conspiracy theorists are perhaps the most lame players in the political realm. by definition, a theory is not a proven fact.
let me ask you some direct questions. do you think the Ukrainians should have just let the Russians take their country? what would you do if another country invaded the US? nothing? just to avoid war and combat?
Sometimes you have to fight for what is yours. if criminals came to your home and threatened to kill your family members if you did not give them everything you have, what would you do?
any real man would fight!
RobFromTX
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And now Zelenskys trying to find out Trumps plans for the war. That ought to change you brutenicks outlook on this conflict real fast
www.newsweek.com
Zelensky prods Trump for details of Ukraine peace plan
The former president said he could find a "fair deal" between Ukraine and Russia. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky encouraged him to release the plan.
www.newsweek.com
