Wide leaves covered in resin like a hash plant .No fox tails in the calyx .No pine / leather / liver terps . No incense .
Not a Haze .IMO lol .
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Wide leaves covered in resin like a hash plant .No fox tails in the calyx .No pine / leather / liver terps . No incense .
Not a Haze .IMO lol .
led05
Chasing The Present
touche.............. Following a statement in general....
The neat truth though is we have access to Sam, his gear and the reality is what we are doing now, today is just as good or better, side by side - improvements being made...........History, not being lost - our heads and our Hearts in the right place....
History is being rewritten in todays' terms, with our stamps, and it's a team effort just as it was then....
..... This IS a genetics renaissance, play nice in the sandbox, for you don't know what you may be a missing out on.... 
.... and none of it is for sale, that's not how it works......
Lovely girl ^^
Colombian from Barranquilla grown below 40ºN
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Love that plant!!!
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I have a young friend who boasts that he smokes plants with a lot of THC, gorilla, cookies etc. One day I offered him C5 haze and the poor man sweated and sweated with only two puffs -
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The only thing supporting that list of seeds in High Times as being from a catalog is that Sam says it was.
Nobody has ever seen Sam's "original catalog" with this content.
No evidence has ever been shown that seeds were sold from that "catalog."
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The quote from Sam you shared from Overgrow shows Sam contradicting his current statements about the pedigree of Haze.
Sam now says that he never sold "Haze" as anything other than "Haze", and that "Haze" was comprised entirely of Colombian genetics.
Yet here we have an example of Sam from years earlier describing a (pure) Haze plant as being a Thai leaning pheno.
Which do you think is more accurate? Sam's old statement that "pure Haze" contained Thai, or todays statements that Haze is all Colombian, and anything with Thai or Indian (or whatever else) was listed explicitly as hybrids?
The attached Cultivators Choice catalog is from 1985 when Sam was in Holland.
No "Burning Bush" in there 'eh?
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Honestly,like the way J.Hustle is going,but all I have it's the crossTrying out outdoors
J. Hustle ((Northen Lights x Shiva Skunk) x Haze Christiania Seeedbank
Panama Haze Ace Seeds
I'm not that experienced to "read" a seedling, thought I'll share her instead
Panama Haze background
J.B.Kushfeller
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I chated one time in DMPrng with guys there about those hazes and they told me that lineage of AG13 is A5x g13 indica male and C5xg13 indica is CG13.
But who cares anyway they are very good smoke.
I care about correct pedigrees, to me this is important. There is no NL#5 in either of Nevs G13/Hz crosses/cuttings.
That is part of the beauty of these vintage cuttings that were preserved. They each combine specific genetics, both on Indica as Haze side from back in the day. Exactly this sets them apart.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Most forget Rob Clark in this conversation and didn't Sam say Rob was a close friend of one of the Haze brothers also ?.
Sam said he was selling Haze seed from as far Back as 1976 under sacred seed co.
I know Haze was a marketed product their were posters and T-shirts so on.
The evidence is Sam has posted it.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
touche.............. Following a statement in general....
The neat truth though is we have access to Sam, his gear and the reality is what we are doing now, today is just as good or better, side by side - improvements being made...........History, not being lost - our heads and our Hearts in the right place....
History is being rewritten in todays' terms, with our stamps, and it's a team effort just as it was then....
How was my post touche Haze came from Sam every one knows that and Nevil bought seed from Sam and produced the worlds best Haze hybrids.
Inbreeding Haze dose not improve it the 2 Guys Sam and Nevil that grew out lots and lots of haze both said the same in regards to working with the haze.
What improvements have been done with haze since the 80s or even better the 70s ?.
In the last 20 years all i see is people working with Nevil or Sam's work but i have yet to see any thing better the Quality of haze or Haze hybrids apart from Mango Haze test seed and ShitHaze test seed since the last work Nevil did.
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Low weight ...scary shit ...
I´m 6ft+...ladder needed to take this pic lol
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Sounds like my type of smoke lower yield is a easy fix grow more
Sounds like my type of smoke lower yield is a easy fix grow more
If you can grow plants to their full potential bearing in mind a lot of variables youre a lucky mofo imho
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I didn't say anything about Rob, and he has nothing to do with this fable that what was printed in HT was a catalog.
You're changing the subject Hempy.
The poster said absolutely nothing about "buy seeds here"
As far as "Sam said" . . . you're own posts show that Sam has given MANY conflicting stories over the years when it suits his purposes, so "Sam said" doesn't mean squat to me unless it is 100% consistent with observable fact.
Ex: Pure Haze is Colombian.
A "marketed product" is different than an "available for sale product."
Sam started marketing his gear well before he ever sold it.
That's the way it works. Chicken before egg.
Ever hear of Kickstarter?
Please, change the subject again to something that has nothing to do with the point.
TheDarkStorm
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Looks like it now means different things to different people....but ther was a time it ment something simple...wat ever line came in to the hand of the guys sam calls the haze brothers...was called haze...they came in to contact with it in 1969..an put out ther first batch in 1970...later on in the 80's this line was taken to holand by sam...wer it was further worked....haze was a name given to a strain that was a work in process... it wasnt just any sativa line...it was work decended from a certain line passing threw certain hands...at one point it wasnt just any sativa line....seems like as time as gone on the waters have become muddied...
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