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Seeds of Africa seedbank???
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SpaceJunkOG
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I have gotten this smell twice: neither were SoA lines but both were South African hybrids. 1) Durban, . . . i had documented it as a "burnt oil" smell, which is right in line with your adjectives - usually this smell expresses most strongly during drying and the beginning of the cure and then gasses off slowly over a month or so, giving way to nice floral / minty undertones, but man it smells acrid for the first few weeks of cure (the pheno I've been growing). I can smell it during live growth too, but the floral scent is slightly more prevalent during live growth 2) Power Plant - I get a sorta "fresh rubber" smell from it (smells like Pirelli's after a high speed chase, is the best way I can describe), but only when it's alive growing. Once curing it immediately starts leaning toward a very distinct Anise / Fennel / liqueur (like Rum almost).
Didn't get it in any of the SoA gear though. Still haven't had anything that was outside of the carrot/mango/pineapple/sweet spice spectrum yet from there out of the Swazi or the Mozambica.
You might have some unique ones on your hands!
SpaceJunkOG
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btw, hate to be a broken record but....
how is everybody finding the hermie / seeded level of the SoA plants?
i still haven't found a pure dioecious plant in anything i've grown from them. and, they are all a very specific kind of herm: the kind that only grow stamen out of the tops of female calyxes, at a point well into the flowering cycle. So far i have seen no balls or pollen sacks, only opened male flowers on the top of female calyxes in mid-late flower. They are very much in line with Thai varieties it seems, most tend toward hermaphroditic and express it in a similar way.
Anybody finding this or contrary results?
how is everybody finding the hermie / seeded level of the SoA plants?
i still haven't found a pure dioecious plant in anything i've grown from them. and, they are all a very specific kind of herm: the kind that only grow stamen out of the tops of female calyxes, at a point well into the flowering cycle. So far i have seen no balls or pollen sacks, only opened male flowers on the top of female calyxes in mid-late flower. They are very much in line with Thai varieties it seems, most tend toward hermaphroditic and express it in a similar way.
Anybody finding this or contrary results?
Genghis Kush
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Genghis Kush
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Genghis Kush
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Mine herms were male first, then showed pistils on lower shoots.
None of the females have shown any sign of herm (in early flowering at least - i haven't finished them off yet...)
cool pics Genghis.
SpaceJunkOG
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are you outdoors? (i think i know the answer to this).
i am starting to hypothesize that the indoor growing environment (whatever factors - light spectrum, intensity, RH, angle of light, etc) causes these strains to herm, just as is commonly the case with wild strains that have never been worked or grown inside,. . . . lots of reports of herm'ing indoors, and performing much better outdoors.
despite this i'm thinking their offspring in crosses with worked / commercial strains won't be as prone to herm, we're about to find out very soon!
SpaceJunkOG
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all my bean runs are done indoors for new strains. I pick the plants with the most vigor and keep two females and two males if possible for bean repro runs. I have very limited space indoors and run for early appraisals and seeds; puro.hybrids.
I am an outdoor grower and judge in the end by outdoor performance. i'm seeing huge difference between indoor and outdoor performance on many landrace sativas; bud structure, potency, frost, color, flowering window, and even high effects. I run a single hps 400w indoors. I don't care about indoor bud production. I care about od bud production. i'm strictly od guerilla grows atm.
the soa Malawi gold is pretty much the only strain that made it to harvest out of many strains run this year. had a brutal early spring. hot ( hottest month of the year was early spring )and dry. roots never got a chance to get established in the clay soil.
the soa mg is looking very good. I put the female clones from the keeper mandigo clone mother outdoors in early may. i'll post pics. and smoke reports.
Wow, she sure is a beauty.
Great find
Great find
I judge the soa mg to be my best strain. this year she will be fully mature under ideal conditions. i'll find out for sure how good she is.
drought resistant.
freeze resistant ( took it last year to well below freezing).
bright green buds ( if you sell bud product you know how important indoor looking can be for price valuations).
frosty ( will post pics).
cures out to rock hard buds ( gooey during cure transforms into hard nugs ).
totally bud rot resistant (like mandala's satori indica bat pheno Nepalese).
no bug issues.
psychoactive and very potent high effects in one indoor run properly dialed in.
good taste/smell. not great, good enough.
turns purple in hybrids with right mate. I've got some mandingo/white lotus red stem plants that are totally purple ( cold induced). will post pics.
mandingo/white lotus also very hardy. hardiness translates into some hybrids.
drought resistant.
freeze resistant ( took it last year to well below freezing).
bright green buds ( if you sell bud product you know how important indoor looking can be for price valuations).
frosty ( will post pics).
cures out to rock hard buds ( gooey during cure transforms into hard nugs ).
totally bud rot resistant (like mandala's satori indica bat pheno Nepalese).
no bug issues.
psychoactive and very potent high effects in one indoor run properly dialed in.
good taste/smell. not great, good enough.
turns purple in hybrids with right mate. I've got some mandingo/white lotus red stem plants that are totally purple ( cold induced). will post pics.
mandingo/white lotus also very hardy. hardiness translates into some hybrids.
SpaceJunkOG
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hey idiit - very helpful report on the Malawi, muchos gracias. great to see that there is indeed some big potential with the SoA stuff! anyway, i just realized you've already grown the Mozambica that i'm growing now, had a look in your album and she looks pretty much identical to mine, did you ever do a smoke test? or was there a reason you stopped working with that one? i'm about to harvest next week, ~15 weeks, it's fully seeded like yours but very frosty, big long trichs with fat heads mostly cloudy, and looks like potentially decent smoke....
(she lightly pollinated my dp power plant that was in there, i got about 50 healthy seeds out of it so there's a cool accidental cross, now I've got 3 Mozambique hybrids whoop!)
(she lightly pollinated my dp power plant that was in there, i got about 50 healthy seeds out of it so there's a cool accidental cross, now I've got 3 Mozambique hybrids whoop!)
I do these pretty shiity runs indoors under a sole 400w hps just for early appraisals, seeds, clones, hybrids.
the mazmbique was ok. i'm always thinking of hybrids when I deal with sativa landraces and no special attibutes stood out for me. the same thing happened with marlberry mulanje gold but when vermontman ran the mulanje gold from my bean run he raved and raved about the high effects.
so, what I'm saying is that a lot of potentially great strains are not hitting my early appraisal radar screen for hybrid potential which is what i'm mostly looking for.
I've got quite a few sativa landraces and want to get it down to just a few. it's very hard to run more than a few and keep the parent seed stock viable.
soa Malawi gold, mandala Nepalese indica, purple haze ( dr. gt and ace), zamal ( i'm looking at the gypsy nirvana mafate zamal now), lmn angola red, Paraguay choco chiba, Paraguay cohiba, no mercy santa maria Brazilian bx are winning the landrace competition atm. ace's Malawi frosty killer mum is a great one once I get the killer frosty mum pheno isolated for breeding.
the Malawi gold soa mandingo is a superstar from what I can tell so far across the board. this is the kind of strain I want in my elite dream team landrace sativas. no hermies by the way puro and in hybrids.
the soa zamal was pretty good with a balanced head/body high. the mandingo/soa zamal had two phenos. one I called super fly and it got rave reviews on the pheno that threw hard frosty nugs. it has great potential.
i'm wanting other ppl to grow out these soa landraces and post their grow/smoke reports. together we can cover a lot of ground and help others narrow it down to the ones with the most potential. collective effort.
soa Mozambique probably has some great phenos locked away. reeferman was in Mozambique and was really impressed with some of the Mozambique sativas he saw there.
at the beginning we did not know if soa was even legit. I gots no problem say they are legit and have some great potential in their strains.
SpaceJunkOG
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agreed. i think we've established that SoA is legit now, which was a big question in this thread. And agreed on the collective effort of growing out this stuff too. Malawi is the only SoA strain that i have that i haven't tried yet, but i think you covered that one pretty thoroughly especially now that you've found this keeper.
The 3 crosses I did with Mozambique have 3 different parents - 3 different phenos (2 males and a female that hermed from indoor stress probably), so my next runs are all going to be these crosses, and seeing what the offspring of Mozambica can look like. I'm already seeing big differences between the 2 different Mozambique parents' offspring in veg, completely different structures and smells - and I plan to go to the F2 with these to really unlock the magic, so hopefully my reports will shed some light on the breeding potential of Mozambica. And of course I'll be harvesting the 1 pure Mozambica next week so there will be that smoke test too.
BTW your list of landrace sativa strains that you are running just made me drool all over my keyboard.
but yes the collective effort here is strong! pats on the back and fat joints of the magic African herb for all.
i adopted dubi at ace seeds as my landrace sativa mentor.
when dubi was younger according to his posts he used to sit and contemplate grail sativa hybrid crosses. he stated that he believed that Africa offered tremendous potential for grail landrace sativa based strains.
I took his advice to heart and this is why I ventured to soa for some landrace sativa exploration.
when dubi was younger according to his posts he used to sit and contemplate grail sativa hybrid crosses. he stated that he believed that Africa offered tremendous potential for grail landrace sativa based strains.
I took his advice to heart and this is why I ventured to soa for some landrace sativa exploration.
Yes!! A breeder, not just another pollen-chucker.
You just made my day, brother. Much Love
It takes a special kind of person to admit that a plant may smoke great but it doesn't really matter if its children don't smoke as great or better
CannaZen
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Yes!! A breeder, not just another pollen-chucker.
You just made my day, brother. Much Love
It takes a special kind of person to admit that a plant may smoke great but it doesn't really matter if its children don't smoke as great or better
speaking of which, i take offence to that term.. by no means would these people fit the term breeder but i think a little more goes on than simple chuckin' should the person be taking it into F2 and from my understanding a true F1 should have hybrid vigour, that may be desirable in some cases.
that’s what I’m talking about!
The Transkei, Malawi and Pondo i planted are coming along, I’ll have some pictures up soon. Just indoor growth, I’m still 'dialling' it in and learning about growing but i think they look great! i can see why the mg sticks out in terms of growth characteristics so far.good pictures there Idiit, it looks like your mandingo has red-violet leaf stems? I’m not sure if that is common but i like it.
