Topping out flowering plants during early flower for clones

[LostTribe]

I didnt take cuttings off my F13 nor the Jamaicans. Has anyone ever tried to take cuttings of the top tips during early flowering? These are smashed in without much light getting to the lowers so no lower branching to take from. They are 4 planted to a container showing sex. The males are far ahead is the other problem. So I might put them in my small pollenator tent and try to bend males over and collect then I guess I can either reveg everything or try to hand pollenate the females as the bloom later. I really want clones of the f13 so trying to take it easy on them but maybe the topped out cuts would work. I am at 3 weeks of 12/12.

Opinions very much welcomed!
LT

 

[Old Piney]

much better off with lower branches with any cuttings , so the lower the better .The stage of flowering isn‘t an issue even with Late flowering . I haven’t had much luck with top cutting. If you really want to be safe cut them back revege and start over

 

[JetLife175]

I would wait to get her through flower and go for a reveg myself. Just save a lower with some buds on it and you know the rest.

 

[LostTribe]

Why the tops ? much better off with lower branches with any cuttings . The stage of flowering isn‘t an issue even with Late flowering just got to put them under 18/6 right away

Theres no lowers I can take. Not much light getting to lowers. Full canopy and they are all smashed it together. Multiple in each pot.

I am not sure I will get much seed since the females are so far behind thats why I am considering topping them out.

Other option I guess it to wait one more week or so and put back on 24/7 to begin reveg on ALL and try to collect any pollen that might fall in the process. If the females were further along I would just wait but #1 is seed, #2 is getting some clones.

 

[Old Piney]

Theres no lowers I can take. Not much light getting to lowers. Full canopy and they are all smashed it together. Multiple in each pot.

I am not sure I will get much seed since the females are so far behind thats why I am considering topping them out.

Other option I guess it to wait one more week or so and put back on 24/7 to begin reveg on ALL and try to collect any pollen that might fall in the process. If the females were further along I would just wait but #1 is seed, #2 is getting some clones.

I’m sorry I just edited answer , I think thays the way to go

 

[LostTribe]

I’m sorry I just edited answer , I think thays the way to go

Leaning towards cutting back all of them and then let them really seed up when they are ready to rock.

I can try to make cuts when I cut back too. I will give it a few more days in hopes of viable pollen.

 

[LostTribe]

The Double Jams might be fine just going ahead. Wasnt going to take any cuts but could reveg later if need be.

 

[LostTribe]

I will add that I had been doing alot of bending to try for LST but they were not receptive to it. I should have tied them down. More germed than expected so got crammed pretty quick.

 

[Ca++]

I'm not clear on what you are doing. It sounds like a seed run, where somehow these girls are too far behind the boys. In this case, collect and store the pollen. It lasts a good few weeks in the fridge. Store with rice iirc, to keep the RH within reason.

Once a girl is making seed, she will continue under 24h light. I'm not sure it's a great idea, but save some branches from pollination, by bagging them. Pollinate. Wash. De-bag. 24h. You are making seeds and revegging at the same time. Just how nature intended.
Maybe not... but it should work.

The other crazy option, is pulling one out through a vent, to give a branch 24h. It will veg.

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EDIT: A lack of sleep has me thinking a bit more about the one branch, 24h prospect. Need it be outside the tent. Why not enclose a lower branch. It will only need enough light to stay awake, which is not going to present light leak problems. It won't need 600ppfd, it won't need to cover it's own energy needs. It can rob the rest of the plant. It just needs keeping awake.
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[CocoNut 420]

Taking clones in flower isn't a problem it's advantageous imo, they take long enough to re veg that you get to grow dry and test them without having to maintain vigorous growing clones throughout flowering when most will go in the bin.

You can make some monstrous plants re vegging a bud.

 

[OleReynard]

A friend on another thread just got 75% to take on already budded snips.

 

[Lester Beans]

Take some cuts, they will root just fine. Let cuts hang out in a cup of water with rooting powder or what you fancy, overnight. Then put into your media or cloner. The pictured rooted in the cup of water. I make sure the cup of water is 5.5-5.8. recent experiments I have done on hard to root cuts in a cloner point to lower pH being the hot ticket. Good luck !

 

[Ca++]

Many people don't mind rooting cuts from flowering plants, but it's not for me. After a few days 12/12 I notice a more sluggish response, and some plants won't reveg for years, if they are deep into bloom. In general, flowering plants shift their efforts away from rooting. This includes ours, and is why we get established in final pots, before bloom. The first two weeks are a big swing in if they want to root or not. Which might take more than two weeks to swing back.

It might be a pain in the ass. As a matter of course I take cuts before bloom, even though I would rather take them a week later, in terms of when I actually need those cuts to be ready. It's just those few plants that won't come back around that leave me thinking a few days is too late. Though given enough time, they should come back around.

Growing tips tend to be harder, as they are soft new growth. More N based, and not full of carbs.

 

[F2F]

Thread 'CLONES!!! 7-14 Days! 99% Success Rate!'
https://www.icmag.com/threads/clones-7-14-days-99-success-rate.335231/

Flowering or not just affects speed it seems (males the exception). Top tips is all I do more or less.

Peace
F2F

 

[CocoNut 420]

Air layering is a option if its late in flower or you're unsure about cloning, I can't find photos I've too many but there's a variety related to Air layering it's no difficult and very reliable.

58 days in flower

Some other vegging plants I air layered

It's a handy method to know about it has its place in late cloning.

 

[OleReynard]

Air layering is a option if its late in flower or you're unsure about cloning, I can't find photos I've too many but there's a variety related to Air layering it's no difficult and very reliable.
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58 days in flower
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Some other vegging plants I air layered
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It's a handy method to know about it has its place in late cloning.

That's cool, very cool.
Any details to us unknowledgeable in this ?

 

[Herbal-Essence]

Cool stuff, I've known this method as "Abmoosen" in German, which actually translates to air layering as I've just learnt via google
I've never tried it on Cannabis though, it works great on some Plants with rather woody branches which would otherwise be hard to root using more "traditional" methods

 

[CocoNut 420]

That's cool, very cool.
Any details to us unknowledgeable in this ?

Hey bud, its fairy straightforward, a couple of root it sponges, rock wool cube, coco etc put around the stem and wrapped in clingfilm/saran or one of those cloning/air layering balls in the top pic, keep it moist don't let it dry out.
The strangle wire should be tight enough to restrict the flow of sap but not stop it completely...that's not essential but ime it makes them root faster than without.

I prepare the site with a little clonex preferably on a shoot site just like you would cloning.

If you've any questions no problem, cheers

 

[OleReynard]

I'll be in touch for sure, maybe you can teach an old dog new tricks