Mk III Terpenator

[MEMED]

What about those triple bolted clamps ironfist uses dybert? Cant find em for sale but maybe those'll werk for yall?

 

[flatslabs]

If you are talking about the clamps that have the 3rd safety bolt, just look for ASME High Pressure Clamps, my friend got a few off ebay a while back.

There is also Wireloc clamps, but I don't think they are compatible with Triclamp ferrules

 

[dybert]

What about those triple bolted clamps ironfist uses dybert? Cant find em for sale but maybe those'll werk for yall?

They work but only for the extraction columns (the smaller diamter ones are very strong). I'm really trying to find a large diameter clamp (preferably 12") that is super beefy... but still so far no luck. The ASME High Pressure clamps are even lower rated than the glacier tank ones at 12" :/

 

[montroller]

Why don't you just weld some crossbars onto your HP clamps like BizzyBee did? You could make them as beefy as you need and could probably hit your 450 PSI range easily.

I would buy those clamps if you made them in 12 inch size

 

[dybert]

Why don't you just weld some crossbars onto your HP clamps like BizzyBee did? You could make them as beefy as you need and could probably hit your 450 PSI range easily.

I would buy those clamps if you made them in 12 inch size

Good idea and it may be the way to go... I'll post up if I end up fabbing some.

 

[hellraizer30]

Down to the last few parts and this baby will rock and roll! It feels like forever waiting on all this to show up lol

 

[SG1]

Hey there Gray Wolf.
I am awaiting my MK3 kit and accessories.
Spent many hours searching for a good quality equipment and have yet to find what type of appliance is best for the warm water bath for the collection pot to sit in.
Any suggestions on the best product out there?

 

[Gray Wolf]

Hey there Gray Wolf.
I am awaiting my MK3 kit and accessories.
Spent many hours searching for a good quality equipment and have yet to find what type of appliance is best for the warm water bath for the collection pot to sit in.
Any suggestions on the best product out there?

Good question, and with the Mk III, you have some easy options.

The warm water bath is required for running full speed, such as when extracting partially decarboxylated oil for oral meds.

It is also needed for periodic deicing, when extracting carboxylic acid for vaporization products, but the needs are different.

For full speed running the Mk III, I run the pot at 200F and have used both a Wyott soup pot and pots of water sitting on hot plates, using fans to disperse flammable gases from any leaks.

Thermo Scientific makes the Therolyne explo$ion proof hot plates, UL rated for Class 1 locations, and you can bypass the controls on a non explosion proof hot plate and run it from a distance with a PID or Variac.

WW uses custom 3750W silicone heat mats around the hot water bath on the larger units, controlled through SSR's by PID controllers, which you could also easily do.

On the other hand, if I am extracting carboxylic acid, I just keep a bucket of warm tap water sitting around and set the Mk III beside it, instead of in it.

I periodically dip the Mk III lower tank in the luke warm water to remove the ice and see at what level it reforms, but run without heat through the rest of the process.

You end up with cotton candy filling the pot, instead of oil in the bottom.

 

[BadPenny]

Gray Wolf, if you don't mind, what is your opinion of the Apecks Supercitical setups? Thanks in advance

 

[gholladay]

Hey there Gray Wolf.
I am awaiting my MK3 kit and accessories.
Spent many hours searching for a good quality equipment and have yet to find what type of appliance is best for the warm water bath for the collection pot to sit in.
Any suggestions on the best product out there?

GW's heat mat and PID controller is probably the most effective solution to keeping the water at a uniform temp. I didn't know anything about PID controllers at the time, so I went with a set up like this:

This submersible heater:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BDB4UG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Attached to this controller:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00368D6JA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And I used this pump to circulate the water across the coil:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I3QSMBC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Credit for this little combo goes to our brothers here at IC Mag. This method will allow you to control in the +/- 5° range, which isn't perfect, but it's effect and a relatively simple and inexpensive solution.

If you wanna get down on the PID controllers, here's a good DIY setup:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5935324&postcount=152

Peace.

GH

 

[SG1]

Good question, and with the Mk III, you have some easy options.

The warm water bath is required for running full speed, such as when extracting partially decarboxylated oil for oral meds.

It is also needed for periodic deicing, when extracting carboxylic acid for vaporization products, but the needs are different.

For full speed running the Mk III, I run the pot at 200F and have used both a Wyott soup pot and pots of water sitting on hot plates, using fans to disperse flammable gases from any leaks.

Thermo Scientific makes the Therolyne explo$ion proof hot plates, UL rated for Class 1 locations, and you can bypass the controls on a non explosion proof hot plate and run it from a distance with a PID or Variac.

WW uses custom 3750W silicone heat mats around the hot water bath on the larger units, controlled through SSR's by PID controllers, which you could also easily do.

On the other hand, if I am extracting carboxylic acid, I just keep a bucket of warm tap water sitting around and set the Mk III beside it, instead of in it.

I periodically dip the Mk III lower tank in the luke warm water to remove the ice and see at what level it reforms, but run without heat through the rest of the process.

You end up with cotton candy filling the pot, instead of oil in the bottom.

Thanks for your response.
Man! The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.
It's like filling a bucket with an eyedropper

But I've mastered many crafts through diligence.
I'll take my first BHO class next Friday.
Let the games begin

 

[SG1]

GW's heat mat and PID controller is probably the most effective solution to keeping the water at a uniform temp. I didn't know anything about PID controllers at the time, so I went with a set up like this:

This submersible heater:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BDB4UG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Attached to this controller:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00368D6JA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And I used this pump to circulate the water across the coil:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I3QSMBC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Credit for this little combo goes to our brothers here at IC Mag. This method will allow you to control in the +/- 5° range, which isn't perfect, but it's effect and a relatively simple and inexpensive solution.

If you wanna get down on the PID controllers, here's a good DIY setup:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5935324&postcount=152

Peace.

GH

Thank you for links.
All input is valuable to me.

 

[Gray Wolf]

GW's heat mat and PID controller is probably the most effective solution to keeping the water at a uniform temp. I didn't know anything about PID controllers at the time, so I went with a set up like this:

This submersible heater:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BDB4UG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Attached to this controller:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00368D6JA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And I used this pump to circulate the water across the coil:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I3QSMBC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Credit for this little combo goes to our brothers here at IC Mag. This method will allow you to control in the +/- 5° range, which isn't perfect, but it's effect and a relatively simple and inexpensive solution.

If you wanna get down on the PID controllers, here's a good DIY setup:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5935324&postcount=152

Peace.

GH

Another way that works! Thanks for sharing!

I've seen folks using three of the emersion heaters and the aquarium pump in a 12" pot, controlled by an immersion thermocouple and PID.

Circulation makes a big difference and if you raise the pot and circulate under the bottom as well, an even bigger difference.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Thanks for your response.
Man! The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.
It's like filling a bucket with an eyedropper

A little like taking a sip from a fire hose or a Wharrgarble experience!

 

[Gray Wolf]

Gray Wolf, if you don't mind, what is your opinion of the Apecks Supercitical setups? Thanks in advance

Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to operate an Apeks, but continue to look forward to doing so.

Ohio is unfortunately too far for me to drive for the privilege, so I have more direct experience with Eden Labs in Seattle, 3 hours away.

A better question for those of ya'll on the forum operating an Apeks, or with personal experience doing so like Dybert. What has been your experience?

 

[BadPenny]

Aren't they trying to break thru in CO? I thought I seen a show on tv per CO that that guy was one they were talking to, but I know you as the expert, hence requesting your opinion. Thank you for the reply.

Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to operate an Apeks, but continue to look forward to doing so.

Ohio is unfortunately too far for me to drive for the privilege, so I have more direct experience with Eden Labs in Seattle, 3 hours away.

A better question for those of ya'll on the forum operating an Apeks, or with personal experience doing so like Dybert. What has been your experience?

 

[Gray Wolf]

Aren't they trying to break thru in CO? I thought I seen a show on tv per CO that that guy was one they were talking to, but I know you as the expert, hence requesting your opinion. Thank you for the reply.

The day I become the CO2 expert, will be a sad for us all, and until I have personal experience, as an erroneously perceived expert, it would be improper for me to add gravitas to hearsay.

Apeks/Andy/Nate appear to be trying to serve the market where ever the legal market develops, because they've done booths here in Oregon as well. They are a legitimate company that has good resources and has been around awhile.

Like their competitors, they've grown fast and are hard pressed to keep up.

One local client that I consult with, works for a firm that had an Apeks unit, and relayed to me that neither they or Apeks were able to achieve the advertized performance criteria, so they eventually sold it and purchased a competitors unit.

I can ask if they are interested in sharing their personal experiences and put you in contact if they are.

I believe Dybert has also run Apeks and others, so has first hand experience comparing them.

 

[BadPenny]

no probs, man, Im in no way shape or form worth that much trouble or time, lol, I just got to reading and researching, seen that deal on tv and thought Id ask. Thank you for the reply.

 

[Roji]

Another way that works! Thanks for sharing!

I've seen folks using three of the emersion heaters and the aquarium pump in a 12" pot, controlled by an immersion thermocouple and PID.

Circulation makes a big difference and if you raise the pot and circulate under the bottom as well, an even bigger difference.

This is exactly how I've been running for a few months now and it's great.

 

[snake11]

The day I become the CO2 expert, will be a sad for us all, and until I have personal experience, as an erroneously perceived expert, it would be improper for me to add gravitas to hearsay.

Apeks/Andy/Nate appear to be trying to serve the market where ever the legal market develops, because they've done booths here in Oregon as well. They are a legitimate company that has good resources and has been around awhile.

Like their competitors, they've grown fast and are hard pressed to keep up.

One local client that I consult with, works for a firm that had an Apeks unit, and relayed to me that neither they or Apeks were able to achieve the advertized performance criteria, so they eventually sold it and purchased a competitors unit.

I can ask if they are interested in sharing their personal experiences and put you in contact if they are.

I believe Dybert has also run Apeks and others, so has first hand experience comparing them.

I have posted my opinion on other threads about this but I have ran both apex and eden machines. I found both to be sub-par with things missing and bad welds/crooked pieces on them. Neither machine operator properly from the manufacturer without modification. Customer service from both companies was not good. I would look towards real supercritical companies like waters and thar. Remember ul listing(or an nrtl) as this can be an expensive obstacle for legitimate companies dealing with fire marshalls.