2024 US Presidential Election

[eastcoastjoe]

dude... no boogeyman is coming for our kids' genitals.

if they ban things like puberty blockers, etc., kids are gonna suffer... even the ones bigots don't deem [inserty nasty thing to say].

Let me ask you something so I’m on the same page. The trans community suggests that Gender and Sex are different correct ? Hence the reason for using pronouns ?

 

[VinScentVanGro]

i don't have a neat little infographic for you, but here's a not- so- pithy example:

take mitt romney's romneycare and get it in federal law...

call it "obamacare" and republicans want it gone;

call it "the affordable care act" and then tell those red- team voters it's how they and their mom can have health insurance, and they will be pissed when it's gone.

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conservoturd ticket: culture war and persecution- complex- authoritarixtianity, including maternal- mortality- raising abortion bans and r*pe threats; deregulating psychpath corporations and making prices go SKY high with shitty deals; gutting the government so our tax dollars get us a 3rd world country instead of a semblance of 1st world like we (barely) have... and handing all our money over directly to musk and bezos so they can fellate eachother in low- earth- orbit while the rest of us live out climate catastrophes in pods eating bugs like they always say about lefties.

progressive ticket: decent education for everyone, affordable food and housing for everyone, clean water, clean air, digital rights that don't shit on the end users, legal weed and freeing non- violent drug offenders, and gay people and trans people can exist and live their lives

 

[armedoldhippy]

So you think it’s ok to pressure parents to allow minor children to have a sex change or else, it’s considered child abuse ?

keep YOUR words in YOUR mouth, and we'll get along much better. i have never said that, nor would i. how ignorant can you get ? (that's a rhetorical question, look that word up and save yourself some embarrassment)

 

[nepalnt21]

not gonna take up more space quoting your post above, nepaint21, but that was excellent.

thanks, good to see you still kaatn on the speakers corner, i took a big hiatus... and now i remember why ahahaaa

 

[nepalnt21]

The trans community suggests that Gender and Sex are different correct ?

it entirely depends on context.

in biology class, when talking about rabbit populations, pretty sure sex and gender are interchangeable. words can have MANY meanings (and ppl like matt walsh know this and utilize it to great effect getting short soundbytes for stupid people), and in the context of trans care, yes they are different. a person can be born a certain sex, and still have an internal state that does not match (gender dysphoria, the disordered aspect afaik) due to a complex interplay of hormones, brain chemistry, etc. that we (afaik) don't fully understand.

that's one thing that gets me about the overarching left sterotypical position is that it's said that "gender is a social construct"... i like professor dave's take, it's more of an internal, chemical construct rather than societal. gender ROLES are social constructs. what to wear, how to act... you can dress in girls clothes and be a guy and not be trans... i'm guessing you can also be trans and not feel the want or need to fit into society's idea of your gender's role.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

keep YOUR words in YOUR mouth, and we'll get along much better. i have never said that, nor would i. how ignorant can you get ? (that's a rhetorical question, look that word up and save yourself some embarrassment)

So you don’t support that ?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

it entirely depends on context.

in biology class, when talking about rabbit populations, pretty sure sex and gender are interchangeable. words can have MANY meanings (and ppl like matt walsh know this and utilize it to great effect getting short soundbytes for stupid people), and in the context of trans care, yes they are different. a person can be born a certain sex, and still have an internal state that does not match (gender dysphoria, the disordered aspect afaik) due to a complex interplay of hormones, brain chemistry, etc. that we (afaik) don't fully understand.

that's one thing that gets me about the overarching left sterotypical position is that gender is a social construct... i like professor dave's take, it's more of an internal, chemical construct rather than societal. gender ROLES are social constructs.

Let’s keep it simple. We’re talking about humans. So for humans, is it different ?

 

[armedoldhippy]

thanks, good to see you still kaatn on the speakers corner, i took a big hiatus... and now i remember why ahahaaa

i was out of state for a week escorting an elderly gentleman on legal business. it might have been the longest month i've lived through... he's on "happy pills" now, (mood inhancers since his cancer surgery) or that month might have been a year... or i might have gone to jail.

 

[armedoldhippy]

So you don’t support that ?

reading comprehension not your strongest point, i see. good luck in your future endeavors.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

reading comprehension not your strongest point, i see. good luck in your future endeavors.

Comparing rabbits to humans is silly. I asked you a very simple question

 

[nepalnt21]

Let’s keep it simple. We’re talking about humans. So for humans, is it different ?

that's what this part was about:

in the context of trans care, yes they are different. a person can be born a certain sex, and still have an internal state that does not match (gender dysphoria, the disordered aspect afaik) due to a complex interplay of hormones, brain chemistry, etc. that we (afaik) don't fully understand.

for humans, in the context of trans care.

and for the record, i never COMPARED humans and rabbits. again with the reading comprehension.

i was using rabbits as an example of how context can change meaning. which you picked up... not sure where you got confused and thought i'd compared them... to each other, ... ???

 

[eastcoastjoe]

So , for humans, is it fair to say the trans community says gender and sex are different ? It’s a very simple question

 

[nepalnt21]

in the context of trans care, for humans, yes i would say it is fair to say sex and gender are different and that's important to this conversation.

now please get on with it, i'm not getting any higher

 

[eastcoastjoe]

in the context of trans care, for humans, yes i would say it is fair to say sex and gender are different and that's important to this conversation.

now please get on with it, i'm not getting any higher

Then explain to me why “ GENDER affirming care” for minors involves removing “ SEX organs” and / or blocking “SEX HORMONES” ?

 

[armedoldhippy]

now please get on with it, i'm not getting any higher

there's no place to go. he thinks by framing the question "correctly", he gets to play a childs version of "gotcha!". total waste of time.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

there's no place to go

Exactly my point. You can’t give a reasonable answer to that question. The majority of this country agrees.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

I bet a lot of you who support this for minors don’t even have children of your own

 

[eastcoastjoe]

When emotion is high, the logic is low……

 

[nepalnt21]

first of all, trans care involves transitioning because... afaik that's the treatment for gender dysphoria... because their gender doesn't match their sex and "conversion therapy" is horrible AND doesn't work. simple huh?

explain me why “ GENDER affirming care” for minors involves removing “ SEX organs”

it doesn't... or more exactly, it EXTREMELY rarely does and most places won't do it... the ONE case i've heard of, the "child" was like two months away from 18 and like i said... it's rare. and i'm also not a doctor and i can tell you haven't completed your residency yet so excuse me if i don't take you seriously on the matter.

and / or blocking “SEX HORMONES” ?

you know that, like birth control, they're used for medical conditions that don't include transitioning, right?

and i dunno bout you, but i'd rather have my kid try any treatment we can find rather than have a dead kid, ya know?

and yes, i do have kids. one more on the way.

 

[armedoldhippy]

ask a reasonable question with no twist, you'll get honest answers. you are trying to prove something that does not exist as you try to paint it. nobody (normal) wants to pressure parents to have their child physically altered ":against their will". are you saying that minors have no right to an opinion ? i understand they don't have the final say, but...life-changing events do not always happen after you reach 18 years of age, you know. i'd bet my kids are older than you are, lol...