2024 US Presidential Election

[armedoldhippy]

it doesn't... or more exactly, it EXTREMELY rarely does and most places won't do it

yup. i've only read about one example myself. the unfortunate child (baby) was mutilated during a botched (electrical) circumcision, resulting in loss of his glans and a chunk of the shaft. parents and doctors agreed that turning him into a her at that age was the least traumatic way forward. sad...

 

[eastcoastjoe]

are you saying that minors have no right to an opinion ?

Minors can’t vote, serve in armed forces, buy tobacco products, alcohol, medical marijuana. They need consent to work. They can’t enter in to any legally binding contracts unless emancipated. Why in the world should they be able to choose to remove their sex organs ?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

first of all, trans care involves transitioning because... afaik that's the treatment for gender dysphoria... because their gender doesn't match their sex and "conversion therapy" is horrible AND doesn't work. simple huh?


it doesn't... or more exactly, it EXTREMELY rarely does and most places won't do it... the ONE case i've heard of, the "child" was like two months away from 18 and like i said... it's rare. and i'm also not a doctor and i can tell you haven't completed your residency yet so excuse me if i don't take you seriously on the matter.


you know that, like birth control, they're used for medical conditions that don't include transitioning, right?

and i dunno bout you, but i'd rather have my kid try any treatment we can find rather than have a dead kid, ya know?

and yes, i do have kids. one more on the way.

Then if it doesn’t work, why is this country allowing it ? The left is even pushing it

 

[nepalnt21]

Then if it doesn’t work, why is this country allowing it ? The left is even pushing it

no, the right pushes conversion therapy. it's a super christian idiocy, not from the left.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

no, the right pushes conversion therapy. it's a super christian idiocy, not from the left.

The right pushes conversion therapy but you say trans rights are in danger because the right wants to block access to these things for minors ? You’re totally contradicting yourself

 

[RobFromTX]

lol. View attachment 19097887

 

[nepalnt21]

you say trans rights are in danger because the right wants to block access to these things for minors ?

you're strawmanning, this convo is me responding to you... specifically about the trans stuff that you said

 

[eastcoastjoe]

you're strawmanning, this convo is me responding to you... specifically about the trans stuff that you said

Hardly. My position is the same on any issue that pertains to why I voted the way I did

 

[shiva82]

yup. i've only read about one example myself. the unfortunate child (baby) was mutilated during a botched (electrical) circumcision, resulting in loss of his glans and a chunk of the shaft. parents and doctors agreed that turning him into a her at that age was the least traumatic way forward. sad...

circumcision is mutilation in itself . sounds like the doctors and parents are guilty

 

[nepalnt21]

@eastcoastjoe i'm not a team sport kinda guy when it comes to politics... i find tribalism banal... but i haven't even stated my position on that particular thing cause so far i's been moot to our specific discussion

 

[Microbeman]

there is no "sexual attack" on children in this, unlike The Chumps numerous assaults on women that have been reliably reported, and some of them litigated against him. if you had a teenage daughter, would you let her be an intern working near him ? take your time and think this through, i'll wait.

what agenda ? to let folks be themselves instead of being forced back into a closet again ? you are BADLY confused. and i am not surprised...

 

[Microbeman]

Minors can’t vote, serve in armed forces, buy tobacco products, alcohol, medical marijuana. They need consent to work. They can’t enter in to any legally binding contracts unless emancipated. Why in the world should they be able to choose to remove their sex organs ?

In the case of intersex, especially not discovered at birth the youngster should absolutely be able to demand surgical/pharmaceutical intervention. (e.g. presents and feels male but internally has full or partial ovaries or sex glands which can cause breast development at puberty, etc. Should the kid be forced to grow breasts and get treated like a freak by peers?) -1.7% of the population.

 

[Microbeman]

The right pushes conversion therapy but you say trans rights are in danger because the right wants to block access to these things for minors ? You’re totally contradicting yourself

I believe conversion therapy uses christian 'values' to program/torture people to become 'normal' as in not gay, trans, etc. whereas transition therapy is 'well' pretty self-explanatory.

 

[Hiddenjems]

i don't have a neat little infographic for you, but here's a not- so- pithy example:

take mitt romney's romneycare and get it in federal law...

call it "obamacare" and republicans want it gone;

call it "the affordable care act" and then tell those red- team voters it's how they and their mom can have health insurance, and they will be pissed when it's gone.

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conservoturd ticket: culture war and persecution- complex- authoritarixtianity, including maternal- mortality- raising abortion bans and r*pe threats; deregulating psychpath corporations and making prices go SKY high with shitty deals; gutting the government so our tax dollars get us a 3rd world country instead of a semblance of 1st world like we (barely) have... and handing all our money over directly to musk and bezos so they can fellate eachother in low- earth- orbit while the rest of us live out climate catastrophes in pods eating bugs like they always say about lefties.

progressive ticket: decent education for everyone, affordable food and housing for everyone, clean water, clean air, digital rights that don't shit on the end users, legal weed and freeing non- violent drug offenders, and gay people and trans people can exist and live their lives

The largest percentage of people voted for trump because of inflation and illegal immigration. They aren’t wanting progressive policy there.

Nobody except some radicals care about trans people. They just don’t want their kids told they can be in the wrong body, and dont want to remake the English language for .1% of the population.

 

[Hiddenjems]

I believe conversion therapy uses christian 'values' to program/torture people to become 'normal' as in not gay, trans, etc. whereas transition therapy is 'well' pretty self-explanatory.

Young gays are being conversion therapied into trans people.

I have several gay and lesbian friends that say similar things. The woman says, “I’m butch, but I’m not a man.” She fears that kids like she was are now being told to get on drugs and have surgery.

 

[nepalnt21]

what kids are being told to do that?

there's that boogeyman

 

[Microbeman]

Young gays are being conversion therapied into trans people.

How are they conversion therapied into trans people considering the definition I just gave which involves no drugs nor surgery?

 

[Microbeman]

How are they conversion therapied into trans people considering the definition I just gave which involves no drugs nor surgery?

well maybe mind altering drugs as part of the brain washing process.

 

[Microbeman]

voted for trump because of inflation and illegal immigration.

yup - send them the fuk home

 

[Hiddenjems]

How are they conversion therapied into trans people considering the definition I just gave which involves no drugs nor surgery?

At no point in time after saying “I think I’m in the wrong body” does a kid have anyone ask them if they’re sure.

There is now a pipeline in the medical industry getting rich off the drugs and surgery.