Zamaldelica (fairy tale or horror story?)

[YukonKronic]

Also now that you can see which are dominant branches I would lollipop the lower 1/3 of those plants away and eliminate weak spindle stems that will always be struggling to keep up.
Pluck off the little buds on all but top third of lowers. Leave fans unless they’re dying anyway... be ruthless. What you leave behind should receive full light and it will fill out wonderfully.... if your nervous do it in a couple stages and you’ll continue to see throughout development which lowers are too weak to keep up.
Looking really good I’m totally expecting something nice to come of this effort bro!

 

[smilley]

Also now that you can see which are dominant branches I would lollipop the lower 1/3 of those plants away and eliminate weak spindle stems that will always be struggling to keep up.
Pluck off the little buds on all but top third of lowers. Leave fans unless they’re dying anyway... be ruthless. What you leave behind should receive full light and it will fill out wonderfully.... if your nervous do it in a couple stages and you’ll continue to see throughout development which lowers are too weak to keep up.
Looking really good I’m totally expecting something nice to come of this effort bro!

Hey thanks Yukon. I'll be up early to watch the sunrise in the grow room. Mrs smilley likes to sleep late so I can get a start on dealing with the lower stuff. I'll spread it out over a week or so. I've never really gotten ruthless with the larf as I've always made trim hash with it but I'll give it a try this time.

Are you still getting the new Mars lamp? It'll be a nice addition to your set up.

 

[smilley]

The Story Continues

The Story Continues

A few evenings later, smilley’s wife was back outside dressed in the skimpy red outfit smilley had given her for Christmas. She was howling at the Northern Lights. She was outside for a long time and when she returned she was shivering and cold. She went straight to the sleeping chamber put on her non-sexy, fluffy, warm robe and returned to the living room. Seeing her new attire, smilley knew there’d be no kinky fuckery tonight.

“I was howling with Jojo earlier.” she explained to smilley. “I told him about the Fudd brothers being rippers and he was disgusted. His nephew Bubs was pissed too. They’re only a few days travel from here so we can expect them fairly soon. Jojo mentioned something about killing two birds with one stone and I had to explain to him we needed pork not fowl. He just laughed...”

Smilley wanted to talk to Jojo about the red outfit he’d gotten his wife, it wasn’t working properly. Now she wanted a matching parka for it?

Down in the grow room, the zammies were partying. Much to the chagrin of the kushy clones, smilley had uppotted the zammies to fancy 20 liter pails. The clones got nothing, just a cursory inspection. “My roots are so relaxed” said the lanky zammie. “I feel like I’m drowning in Promix” said the happy stocky one”. For now, all was well in the grow room and the zammies enjoyed the far red leds as the day came to an end.

 

[YukonKronic]

Hey thanks Yukon. I'll be up early to watch the sunrise in the grow room. Mrs smilley likes to sleep late so I can get a start on dealing with the lower stuff. I'll spread it out over a week or so. I've never really gotten ruthless with the larf as I've always made trim hash with it but I'll give it a try this time.

Are you still getting the new Mars lamp? It'll be a nice addition to your set up.

Yuppers tracking shows it being here Tuesday... I’ll get it set up and upload some pics.... I’ve finally got something flipped into flower so there’s more worth sharing.
Damn mouse killed my ZamxGuatemala plant that was supposed to be flowering (I have a clone... it’s my prized breeder right now) so I don’t have any Zam related stuff going on but there’s some C5haze x Kali China that’s looking pretty hazy so at least I’ll get some Sativa to tide me over.
Most of the rest is cookies or OG hybrids plus a Glue cross... looking for good individuals to cross to assorted ACE genetics. Karma is sending me some A5haze s1 and/or possibly a cross too so that should make something fun in the pollen lab too..

 

[smilley]

Day F29

Day F29

I got up this morning, poured a coffee and watched the far red leds wake up the zammies while smoking a spliff. It's one of my favorite pass times, nice and quiet and peaceful. Unfortunately I only get to do it on the weekends.

I took Yukon's advice and cleaned out a bunch of undergrowth and lolli-popped the lower branches. After getting the zammies back in place, I can see there is more work to do (especially on the lanky one, back left corner) but I think it was a good start.

The zammies handled the repotting like troopers and aren't showing any signs of stress. That's the first time I've repotted such large plants and it went well. The zammies are no longer girls, they're young ladies now.

For the next week or so, I'll water them a quart every couple of days and then start watering to run off.

 

[gorilla ganja]

Zammies look great. Well done

Peace GG

 

[primobud]

It's a two way street Smilley my boy. If she get's dressed up you have to put on a speedo or better yet a thong. When you hear her approach get up and shake it good. It'll work out you'll see! I'd say that last transplant was a great idea. Looking great man.

 

[smilley]

Ha, ha. I told Mrs smilley about your "woman loving advice" and she rolled her eyes and laughed. Even I don't want to see me in a thong....

Kushy Clones day F38

They're just starting to crystal up. They're running on the same 11/13 light cycle without the benefit of the far red leds. I was worried about the light cycle but they're doing ok. I had to flush them about two weeks ago as the fans were yellowing and turning a rusty color with spots. Not bugs.

Anyway, they recovered and are doing well but there is still evidence of the issue. It's been my experience, that once they yellow, they never green back up. I was hoping for 40g per plant but unless they fatten up it'll be less. It'll still be a decent yield and my insurance in case Mrs smilley doesn't like the zammie weed.

 

[YukonKronic]

Ha, ha. I told Mrs smilley about your "woman loving advice" and she rolled her eyes and laughed. Even I don't want to see me in a thong....

Kushy Clones day F38

They're just starting to crystal up. They're running on the same 11/13 light cycle without the benefit of the far red leds. I was worried about the light cycle but they're doing ok. I had to flush them about two weeks ago as the fans were yellowing and turning a rusty color with spots. Not bugs.

Anyway, they recovered and are doing well but there is still evidence of the issue. It's been my experience, that once they yellow, they never green back up. I was hoping for 40g per plant but unless they fatten up it'll be less. It'll still be a decent yield and my insurance in case Mrs smilley doesn't like the zammie weed.

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Lol I bet you end up smoking em while your Zam is curing...
I think rust coloured spots are often calcium deficiency.
I’m liking a few mid strength foliar feeds of Calcium Nitrate just before and during stretch.. potassium needs also rise a touch as stems lengthen and stiffen up. Little PotSil mid stretch and right at the end
Just two cents off the top of my head... I like slow nickels thread on CEC and Calcium... worthwhile reading imo.

Looks good in here bro!

 

[smilley]

Lol I bet you end up smoking em while your Zam is curing...
I think rust coloured spots are often calcium deficiency.
I’m liking a few mid strength foliar feeds of Calcium Nitrate just before and during stretch.. potassium needs also rise a touch as stems lengthen and stiffen up. Little PotSil mid stretch and right at the end
Just two cents off the top of my head... I like slow nickels thread on CEC and Calcium... worthwhile reading imo.

Looks good in here bro!

Lol, here it is, it's only 426 pages long. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=331317

I got through the first 4 pages and it's really interesting. I'll work my way through it over time. After the flush, I discontinue the cal/mag and things improved. All they get now, is PBP Bloom and Liquid Karma. Sometimes less is more? Personally, I believe that the 2 gallon pots are too small. When the roots are too densley packed, I believe that nutrient issues get magnified dramatically.

Also, I forgot to add dolomite lime to the clone soil when potting them up. Oh, and I ran them too dry once too, they didn't like that either. Really Yukon, I'm hopeless. Last year in veg, I saw a fungus gnat flying around my plants and decided to spray them with insecticidal soap. I sprayed them with pinesol instead, by accident. When I told my wife about it, she said"you did the same thing last year".

I better have a reefer, thanks for the advice...

 

[YukonKronic]

Hah! Ya my bad.. I didn’t read the whole thing... lots of good stuff in there though. I have to admit I haven’t looked at it in awhile either...
I just recall being impressed with his knowledge of soil science. Especially regarding Calcium

 

[DNM1]

Hah! Ya my bad.. I didn’t read the whole thing... lots of good stuff in there though. I have to admit I haven’t looked at it in awhile either...
I just recall being impressed with his knowledge of soil science. Especially regarding Calcium

Iron rich "heavy" soil, taken from mountain region nearby(newbie),was feeding them crap nutes twice a month,water,sun.....landrace sativas
Found this recently "Plants only need a tiny amount of iron to be healthy, but that small amount is crucial. First of all, iron is involved when a plant produces chlorophyll, which gives the plant oxygen as well as its healthy green color. ... Iron is also necessary for some enzyme functions in many plants"
Their rootball was the size of a waterpolo ball(35ltr pots),7ft 100% ok
Thought I share info on iron in soil,and,still not sure if contributed to their growth,which was problem free

 

[smilley]

Day F36

Day F36

The zammies are looking good. The lanky one has just
about stopped stretching. I've got the canopy leveled off and there is enough headroom that they could have gone another week in veg. The large fans are lightening up in color but looking much better than the clones.

Since switching to leds, this premature yellowing has haunted me. I used to think it was being too close to the light. Then I thought it was not enough cal/mag. Then I thought it was too much cal/mag. I never had this issue with hid.

I'm still pulling off bigger harvests than with the hps but I think they would be even bigger if the fade were delayed by about three weeks. The early fade starts on the lower fans in the palm area with spotchy yellowing. It progress to brownish/rusty and then eventually gets spotting, tip burn and then plucked.

 

[smilley]

 

[smilley]

Here's a couple of pics of the fan leaf issue.



Oh, these leaves are from the kushy clones. the zammies are better but not perfect.

 

[deepwaterdude]

Here's a couple of pics of the fan leaf issue.

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Oh, these leaves are from the kushy clones. the zammies are better but not perfect.

According to the charts it looks like Potassium deficiency. Before adding more, maybe check pH of runoff compared to feed going in and also root area temps to see if there's not a good reason for nutrient lock out. Might just require a flush to get them in the zone. Otherwise, good vigor.
Last thing I can think of is that when switching to leds the plants often lack transpiration if we don't change conditions a bit, i.e. slightly higher temps than we'd like with HID.
Good luck, keeping an eye on yer babes

 

[smilley]

According to the charts it looks like Potassium deficiency. Before adding more, maybe check pH of runoff compared to feed going in and also root area temps to see if there's not a good reason for nutrient lock out. Might just require a flush to get them in the zone. Otherwise, good vigor.
Last thing I can think of is that when switching to leds the plants often lack transpiration if we don't change conditions a bit, i.e. slightly higher temps than we'd like with HID.
Good luck, keeping an eye on yer babes

All good points dwd. I did flush the clones a couple of weeks ago and it perked them up a bit and slowed the bleeding. Didn't do anything to repair or green up the fans though. The secondary leaves look good and bud development continues.

When I got the leds, I was quite happy to see the temps drop. Since we're in the middle of winter, daytime temps are at about 23C and nighttime temps about 18C. I might try putting a space heater in the room and see if I can raise the temps 3 or 4 degrees on average. They seem to take up nutrients slower than under hid so maybe your onto something with this temperature/transpiration idea.

I gave up on ph adjusting after my 4th or 5th ph pen died a few years ago. Still feeding as I used to under the hps.

Thanks for the input dwd, I'll get it figured out eventually...

 

[DNM1]

Here's a couple of pics of the fan leaf issue.

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Oh, these leaves are from the kushy clones. the zammies are better but not perfect.

Try and retain your self from feeding them.You've just flushed them
Get bushy gals to spread their stuff like lanky so they get some light penetration all the way down, that will speed up recovery, hopefully

 

[smilley]

Try and retain your self from feeding them.You've just flushed them
Get bushy gals to spread their stuff like lanky so they get some light penetration all the way down, that will speed up recovery, hopefully

Didn't flush the zammies, just the kushy clones. The zammies, I up potted. I still feel the feeding regime is valid but I'm wrong lots, lol. When I uppotted the zammies, I considered staking the corners and starfishing the main leads but I've opted to try and keep the main colas directly under the qb's or as close as possible. Keep in mind, the lanky one is almost 2 ft taller than the rest. I staked the lanky one to keep it from flopping in the breeze, the others, I've just let them do as they please and I like their current structure a lot. They have really strong branches, no staking required. Oh, and I'm kinda lazy too...

I'm no expert, DNM1, I've fucked up more crops than I care to mention. I've also been whining about stuff that most people would consider insignificant and I apologize to everybody about that. I can see at this point, the clones will finish ok and possibly go over my 40g/plant goal. I see other people's pics and I drool and wonder why mine aren't the same.

Thanks for the advice, and keep it coming. Just know, that if I don't follow it, it's very much appreciated and that I always weigh the merits when receiving it.

I've decided to add 350 watts of heating into the room. I'll rehang my canopy temp sensor and shoot for 26C daylight and 21C night. If it helps it should be evident in a couple of days meaning greener more praying leaves... If not, I'll remove the heater and carry on.

 

[smilley]

Day F38

Day F38

The zammies are looking great. I've got the daytime temps up to 25C and they got a small dose of bloom booster last watering. Stretch has stopped completely.