eastcoastjoe
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Nailed it.
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Why I don't believe in f-cking with the sexuality of cannabis
- Thread starter CharlesU Farley
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Nailed it.
now that makes difference, individual phenos judged by growers and smokers, and elite for breeding purposes. not the same horses
eastcoastjoe
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I agree with you. Some of these older cultivars that were once considered elite because they stood the test of time, aren’t so elite anymore.
But that somewhat reinforces what I’m saying because that means the things taking there place are higher quality. Most of those things are hybrids of these same things being said to be the terminator of the gene pool lol. It’s clearly not true
eastcoastjoe
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Are you saying some of your plants could be selfed and would blow everything away in quality ?
mudballs
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No sir im talking about some of the pics we see on the web...real janky tops, fert stressed every generation for last 4yrs..stuff we dont want selfed and crossed again, then line bred
dogzter
Drapetomaniac
Those plants look nothing alike other than color tone.
I have been out a dozen gens and started over due to shit stacking over time.
Lots of really long winded intellectual sounding posts with big words on this topic with very little to show for it regards consistency.
eastcoastjoe
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It’s because you never grew a pack or two of these. But at any rate, what else on the market has the consistency you speak of and rivals quality of current varieties ?
Also, let’s see yours now
mudballs
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Man do i come off that fkn arrogant lol? ...someone tell me thats not the case
dogzter
Drapetomaniac
Nothing does that's my point.
I had the last 10 g13 x bsh f1 seeds in 06 from ndnguy and those made it all over the world and have been used quite a bit.
Not to mention the subsequent gens none of which I would consider consistent even after dozens of gens.
As far as pics of plants goes.......what would you like to see?
Color..........we have that.
Resin production.........check.
This cut went west from Florida in 99 and has made it all over the world as well.
I can keep going but you get the drift.
I just don't think cannabises will settle down and be consistent.
ofc only with human interaction
eastcoastjoe
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No not at all lol. I was just trying to figure out what you were saying.
eastcoastjoe
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Nothing does that's my point.
I had the last 10 g13 x bsh f1 seeds in 06 from ndnguy and those made it all over the world and have been used quite a bit.
Not to mention the subsequent gens none of which I would consider consistent even after dozens of gens.
As far as pics of plants goes.......what would you like to see?
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Color..........we have that.
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Resin production.........check.
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This cut went west from Florida in 99 and has made it all over the world as well.
I can keep going but you get the drift.
I just don't think cannabises will settle down and be consistent.
I think I may have misunderstood what you’re saying then because I agree with that. Hardly anything is uniform like vegetable varieties.
That black ruse I showed you, is probably the most uniform seed line that I have ever grown personally but at the end of the day, I don’t think it really means much lol if the end the quality isn’t there, then what’s the point.
Thats cool to see you have those from NDN. He never got me those before he passed away. I am grateful due to have gotten some other stuff from him. Definitely a great guy and will be missed dearly.
dogzter
Drapetomaniac
No worries and he did a lot to spread the love........he was a good man.
Him being that way profoundly effected my life and will do so until I die.
It is my humble opinion that potency comes from the males. When you remove them from the equation you remove the chances of potency increases. [Fact] males make millions of grains of pollen females make thousands of seeds, where is something more likely hiding? and the chances of mutation increase with the numbers.
mudballs
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I wish i had someone to turn to that could add a bit about transgressive segregation @Mithridate i see you lurking us
CharlesU Farley
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Got a new computer that I'm installing Windows 11 on, which is a new one for me, so I'm very jacked up for time now. Lots of posts I want to respond to but don't have the time. 
The basic point I was trying to make in the initial post is that males bring something to the combination that is _very_ similar to "hybrid vigor" from disparate cannabis _genotypes_.
Look at the first pic I posted of the disparate males from my reverse engineered Northern Lights to get an idea what males can bring to the equation.
Notice the difference on the staminate plant on the far right versus the staminate plant on the far left? I'll give you a little hint, they're not different _phenotypes_, they're different _genotypes_, from one of the most stabilized, uniform cannabis "strains" of cannabis that has _ever_ been developed.
Do ya'll think someone who has been growing cannabis for a couple of _years_ will realize the difference in what the staminate plants can bring to the combination, without the need for chemical sexual manipulation?
Weekends coming up so should have a bit more time to delve into this and explain why I feel the way I do. As ya'll know, I'm a fucking dinosaur.
Mudballs, you're most certainly not arrogant, your knowledgeable!! While I'm sure we disagree on a lot of things, unlike on RIU, here on ICM I _know_ where you're coming from. 
The basic point I was trying to make in the initial post is that males bring something to the combination that is _very_ similar to "hybrid vigor" from disparate cannabis _genotypes_.
Look at the first pic I posted of the disparate males from my reverse engineered Northern Lights to get an idea what males can bring to the equation.
Notice the difference on the staminate plant on the far right versus the staminate plant on the far left? I'll give you a little hint, they're not different _phenotypes_, they're different _genotypes_, from one of the most stabilized, uniform cannabis "strains" of cannabis that has _ever_ been developed.
Do ya'll think someone who has been growing cannabis for a couple of _years_ will realize the difference in what the staminate plants can bring to the combination, without the need for chemical sexual manipulation?
Weekends coming up so should have a bit more time to delve into this and explain why I feel the way I do. As ya'll know, I'm a fucking dinosaur.
Mudballs, you're most certainly not arrogant, your knowledgeable!! While I'm sure we disagree on a lot of things, unlike on RIU, here on ICM I _know_ where you're coming from.
Janborrego
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Usually hermies are caused by excess stress from heat/light and a million other thing new or inexperienced growers put plants through. I use fems a lot but not always. Every year I throw out as many as I harvest because of males. I am lucky I can legally grow 24 plants here many are not lucky. I looked up Il for my niece. You can only grow 5 if you have a medical mj card otherwise you have to buy it. Dumb ass law
Shua1991
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You don't achieve heterosis by inbreeding.
This is demonstrable in the real world. This is why outcrossing is important. Males can provide more variation in offspring, that's it. Selecting for shorter or taller males impacts the offspring(this occurs with females too) so this sounds like a "deepity."
This is demonstrable in the real world. This is why outcrossing is important. Males can provide more variation in offspring, that's it. Selecting for shorter or taller males impacts the offspring(this occurs with females too) so this sounds like a "deepity."
