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Eltitoguay

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However, same or many (I dont know) Near and Middle East Marxists do not agree with part of Chomsky's current vision of the area.
I think I linked this article to you a while ago, I think under another nickname before some forum moderator expelled me for predicting almost exactly what was going to happen in the EU on the energy issue, and not be my prediction of the taste of some German far-right or whatever...

The article , by Yassin al-Haj Saleh, a Syrian writer and former political prisoner :


 
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Cannavore

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moose eater

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Israel is little more than a poison pill, now deserving and having earned being removed from any other nation's worries or concerns.

The US and UK need to allow Bibi and his cult of militant Zionists to sleep in the bed they've made for themselves and be banished from the planet.

It's what would be done for or with any other lying, destructive, thieving rogue nation that would behave as they have.

They ain't THAT special.
 

Eltitoguay

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Israel is little more than a poison pill, now deserving and having earned being removed from any other nation's worries or concerns.

The US and UK need to allow Bibi and his cult of militant Zionists to sleep in the bed they've made for themselves and be banished from the planet.

It's what would be done for or with any other lying, destructive, thieving rogue nation that would behave as they have.

They ain't THAT special.

In my opinion, we should always judge governments separately from their people.

However, and unfortunately, decisions made about/against any government usually have an even harsher impact on its population...

I am a fervent pro-Palestinian, as is my duty as a pro-Sahrawi... But I am also concerned about the well-being of the population of Israel...

Damn, how difficult... Do we need a Palestinian-Israeli Nelson Mandela?


 

moose eater

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In my opinion, we should always judge governments separately from their people.

However, and unfortunately, decisions made about/against any government usually have an even harsher impact on its population...

I am a fervent pro-Palestinian, as is my duty as a pro-Sahrawi... But I am also concerned about the well-being of the population of Israel...

Damn, how difficult... Do we need a Palestinian-Israeli Nelson Mandela?



5-6 months ago, 97% of Israelis polled were all in favor of continued militant Zionism as was being conducted by IDF in Gaza.

Within the last 2 months ~67% of Israelis supported the raping of Palestinian prisoners by IDF (or anyone else?? 'Settlers' raping and or murdering Palestinians, and destroying their homes, especially in the West Bank??)..

The IDF members outed for brutally raping Palestinian prisoners were put on talk shows in Israel as celebrities.

Which Israeli citizens deserve not to share the Karma of their government in Israel?

Edit: If one's government is engaged in committing atrocities, and people represented by that government have not risen up in opposition to that government and its atrocities, let alone speaking in outright support of those atrocities, then they share culpability for those atrocities. I think that's a fair assessment of civic duty as it relates to karma.
 
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JKD

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5-6 months ago, 97% of Israelis polled were all in favor of continued militant Zionism as was being conducted by IDF in Gaza.

Within the last 2 months ~67% of Israelis supported the raping of Palestinian prisoners by IDF (or anyone else?? 'Settlers' raping and or murdering Palestinians, and destroying their homes, especially in the West Bank??)..

The IDF members outed for brutally raping Palestinian prisoners were put on talk shows in Israel as celebrities.

Which Israeli citizens deserve not to share the Karma of their government in Israel?

Edit: If one's government is engaged in committing atrocities, and people represented by that government have not risen up in opposition to that government and its atrocities, let alone speaking in outright support of those atrocities, then they share culpability for those atrocities. I think that's a fair assessment of civic duty as it relates to karma.
I’m reminded of the book:
 
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moose eater

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I’m reminded of the book:
Yep, the toxic reality of racism, ethnocentrism, and nationalism, makes for a cocktail best squashed like a bad bug.
 

Eltitoguay

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I’m reminded of the book:
Yep, the toxic reality of racism, ethnocentrism, and nationalism, makes for a cocktail best squashed like a bad bug.
Great note, JKD: Who do we punish, Mooser Eater? (rhetorical question): To all the German/Israeli people? Do we exclude the Germans/Israelis who fought against Nazism/Zionist imperialism? Do we exclude those who supported the regime due to lack of culture and false propaganda? And how and who select each one?....

That's why it scares me when the people are punished for the actions of their government.

For example: should the entire US people pay for the more than 40,000 victims of the Pinochet Dictatorship imposed by Nixon? Only Republican Party voters? Only Nixon voters left alive? Or can we also ask for financial compensation from the heirs of dead Nixon voters? And what happens to Nixon's voters who claim that they did not vote for any electoral program where Nixon said he was going to end Chilean democracy?...
 
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moose eater

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Great note, JKD: Who do we punish, Mooser Eater? (rhetorical question): To all the German/Israeli people? Do we exclude the Germans/Israelis who fought against Nazism/Zionist imperialism? Do we exclude those who supported the regime due to lack of culture and false propaganda? And how and who select each one?....

That's why it scares me when the people are punished for the actions of their government.

For example: should the entire US people pay for the more than 40,000 victims of the Pinochet Dictatorship imposed by Nixon? Only Republican Party voters? Only Nixon voters left alive? Or can we also ask for financial compensation from the heirs of dead Nixon voters? And what happens to Nixon's voters who claim that they did not vote for any electoral program where Nixon said he was going to end Chilean democracy?...
If someone doesn't -actively- oppose their representatives' actions in some way, or worse, they outright support those atrocities, then they are culpable. End of story.

Just because someone in Israel stood up to Hitler's Reich doesn't excuse them from supporting genocide and land theft in Gaza. It's really pretty clear and simple.

My having walked little old ladies across the street earlier in life doesn't remove or erase my culpability for raping or murdering my neighbor. Every crime carries its own weight.

Edit: And with 97% of Israelis standing in support of genocide and militant Zionism in Gaza, well, I guess that remaining 3% ought to find a safe place to hunker down if/when karma gets sorted out for the 97% of their fellow Israelis.

And yes, anyone in this Country (the US) who has stood passively behind our violations of human rights, or supported those violations outright, ought to pay the price for that too.

Karma doesn't carry any nation's passport.

I believe there might have been some presumptuousness about my level of nationalism. Nationalism is a drug I've avoided nearly entirely, though I haven't avoided many drugs in my time, I avoid THAT one. It's incredibly dangerous.
 
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moose eater

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I don't typically post from Hindustan Times for a variety of reasons, but if this is an accurate translation, then it looks as though Karma might be stirring and preparing to roll forward.

Might be a good time to not be an international criminal, a chronic human rights violator, and a boundary-challenged asshole. In other words, it might be a good time to not be standing -with- Israel or to -be- Israel.

It's a bad idea to hang out with serial mass murderers any time, but especially when the cops are on their heels. No... really.

 
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Biden gave the juice 50 more bomber fighters, and a whole lot of bombs. The juice used them. This is a dated chart and doesn’t include Lebanon, which used to make good hash in the Bekka valley before the juice stopped that.
 

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moose eater

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Biden gave the juice 50 more bomber fighters, and a whole lot of bombs. The juice used them. This is a dated chart and doesn’t include Lebanon, which used to make good hash in the Bekka valley before the juice stopped that.
The Lebanese Gov't agreed to UN crop substitution monies over a quarter-century ago, and the farmers in the Bekaa Valley more or less cooperated, and waited, and waited, and waited. That money was often siphoned off at the top of the Lebanese government illegally, and the farmers in the Bekaa Valley didn't see much of it.

Many lost their farms, and their families moved/scattered to places they could make a living without the recently (then) forbidden hash crops in the Bekaa Valley.

Finally, about 20-24 years ago, the remaining hash farmers in the Bekaa Valley more or less said, we've lost all there is to lose, we're planting our traditional crops. Hash.

The Lebanese Government threatened to put military helicopters and gunships in the air to forcefully eradicate that re-cropping in about the year 2000 (*See DRCNet.org from back then).

Hezbollah, which maintains a -large- base in that area, and is otherwise mostly anti-dope, having witnessed the destruction of farmers lives in that area, informed the Lebanese Gov., that if they followed through, Hezbollah would shoot down their gunships and other choppers.

News Americans OUGHT to get, but often don't.

Now, ask me about previous UN crop substitution programs in Thailand, north of Chiang Mai, who the players were, what crops were named as substitutes, etc..
 
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moose eater

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I don't believe Bibi's making any friends lately.... How long before someone sticks an ice pick slowly into his ear?

That'll be a champagne day here at our house. And the same goes for those arming him..

 

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