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right

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I really must be getting on with my day .
I may come back and respond to a post , but there is really a lot to respond to after stepping out for 1 second
 

Eltitoguay

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Right now :

According to sources from the Spanish Interposition Forces deployed on the Lebanese-Israeli border, leading the UNIFIL- FINUL, the Lebanese Army has just deployed very strong protection cordons to protect the US Embassy from popular anger and/or possibly imminent armed attacks by Lebanese factions.



Yesterday, 1 day ago :


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Spanish soldiers in Lebanon halt patrols and resort to bunkers​

The head of the brigade of the eastern sector of Unifil, General Guillermo García del Barrio, stresses that morale remains high.
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Spanish military patrol in Ligano

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Spanish soldiers patrol their area of responsibility.
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11 months ago :

The difficult task of the Spanish Army in Lebanon ensuring peace in the powder keg of the Middle East :


The Debate

The UN mission in the Mediterranean country has the participation of a large Spanish contingent and El Debate has been able to see, first-hand, what life is like for the Spanish soldiers deployed there; (with several deaths already among its ranks, both from terrorist attacks by radical Lebanese factions, and from Israeli missile attacks)

 
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moose eater

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Right now :

According to sources from the Spanish Interposition Forces deployed on the Lebanese-Israeli border, leading the UNIFIL- FINUL, the Lebanese Army has just deployed very strong protection cordons to protect the US Embassy from popular anger and/or possibly imminent armed attacks by Lebanese factions.



Yesterday, 1 day ago :


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Spanish soldiers in Lebanon halt patrols and resort to bunkers​

The head of the brigade of the eastern sector of Unifil, General Guillermo García del Barrio, stresses that morale remains high.
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Spanish military patrol in Ligano

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Spanish soldiers patrol their area of responsibility.
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11 months ago :

The difficult task of the Spanish Army in Lebanon ensuring peace in the powder keg of the Middle East :


The Debate

The UN mission in the Mediterranean country has the participation of a large Spanish contingent and El Debate has been able to see, first-hand, what life is like for the Spanish soldiers deployed there; (with several deaths already among its ranks, both from terrorist attacks by radical Lebanese factions, and from Israeli missile attacks)


There were some writings in publication earlier that I never saw substantiated, that indicated Spain had at least floated the idea of providing an international military force toward enforcing the UN's and ICC/ICJ's rulings regarding Israeli settlements in the West Bank, among other issues/rulings.

If true, then kudos.

Though it raised the thought in my mind re. Spain as a member of NATO, and how the US might handle or react to that, should there come to be defensive or line-abiding gun-play by Spain's forces involving the US' favorite Apartheid criminal nation, Israel.

That might become a sticky issue for Joe, no?
 

Eltitoguay

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There were some writings in publication earlier that I never saw substantiated, that indicated Spain had at least floated the idea of providing an international military force toward enforcing the UN's and ICC/ICJ's rulings regarding Israeli settlements in the West Bank, among other issues/rulings.

If true, then kudos.

Though it raised the thought in my mind re. Spain as a member of NATO, and how the US might handle or react to that, should there come to be defensive or line-abiding gun-play by Spain's forces involving the US' favorite Apartheid criminal nation, Israel.

That might become a sticky issue for Joe, no?

..."West Banks"...;  Cisjordania, we said in Spanish; in Arabic is (aḍ-Ḍaffah l-Ġarbiyyah) الضفة الغربية‎
In both languages it means the same: "On this side of the Jordan"...

That would be another, different mission;
The most ambitious thing would be to create an internationally protected connecting corridor between the West Bank and Gaza... Very difficult, right now...:

Sanchez recognises Palestine and calls for taking territory from Israel with “a corridor between Cisjordania (the West Bank) and Gaza”​

"This decision is not against anyone, least of all Israel," he said.​


But what was mentioned in my previous post, is about the current mission in Lebanon:
Spain has been in Lebanon since 2006, and is finally leading the ONU mission from 2022.
NATO has nothing to do here(Lebano mission) : it is the UN that sets the strategy to follow to Spain.
In any case, in the past, Spain already abandoned the Triple Alliance of the Azores Trio (USA, UK, Spain with the right-wing PP government) that declared war and invaded Saddam Hussein's Iraq,
when the social democrat of the PSOE José Luis Rodriguez Zapatero unseated at the polls to the right-wing José María Aznar, raised by popular indignation and rage, in the face of "evidence of weapons of mass destruction" that was never confirmed, and in the face of the right-wing government's attempts to blame the brutal attacks by al-Quaeda in the country, to ETA, so that the population would not associate them with revenge of Islamic religious terrorism for participating in the invasion.

Anyway, Spain does not have military capacity deployed in the area to do anything decisive in the face of an open war:
It was already difficult for them to prevent the Israelis from machine-gunning the herds of Lebaese goats that threatened to chew their cud so much close of their side of the Blue Line...

I think the most "powerful" thing they have there will be some old Centauro tank destroyers from the updated Spanish version of the original Italian model.



With only that at most, in the face of an Israeli air or missile attack, the best thing is to get into the bunkers :
Unos soldados españoles de la Unifil se refugian en un búnker en la posición 9-64, en el sur de Líbano.
Unos soldados españoles de la UNIFIL se refugian en un búnker en la posición 9-64, en el sur de Líbano.
 
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moose eater

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It should be noted that Bibi yet again turned up his nose at another ceasefire opportunity several days ago.

His objective is and has been occupation and possession of all of Gaza, thief and lying murderer that the scumbag is. And he's apparently my Country's government's best buddy due to several circumstances, including the calcium deficient spines in fear of AIPAC's foreign political influence on US elections.
 

Hiddenjems

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Sorry, that's just factually incorrect. Most wealthy people were born into it, although for sure there are plenty of stories of people coming from poor backgrounds and making wealth. It's just that the vast majority don't.
Anyway got stuff to do, and this is all off topic. Carry on with the war(s).
8/10 millionaires come from middle class or lower.

 

Eltitoguay

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GAZA WAR

Margarita Robles calls the Israeli offensive in Gaza a “genuine genocide”​


The Minister of Defense, the first socialist member of the Government to use this term, says that the recognition of the Palestinian State is a “bet on peace”​


Defense Minister calls Israel's offensive in Gaza "genocide"
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Margarita Robles, Minister of Defense, during the military parade on the occasion of Armed Forces Day, this Saturday in Oviedo.Photo: IMANOL RIMADA (EUROPA PRESS) | Video: RTVE
MIGUEL GONZALEZ THE COUNTRY
Oviedo | Madrid - 25 MAY 2024

The Minister of Defense, Margarita Robles, stated this Saturday that “what is happening in Gaza” is “an “authentic genocide”, a term that until now had not been uttered by the socialist members of the Government,
although those of Sumar had .



Robles' words come in the midst of a diplomatic crisis with Israel, which called its ambassador to Spain for consultations after Pedro Sánchez announced that the Council of Ministers on May 28 will approve the recognition of the Palestinian State.

The military offensive launched by Israel in the Gaza Strip - in retaliation for the Hamas terrorist attack on October 7 - has already killed more than 35,000 people, according to the Gaza Ministry of Health, a territory controlled by Hamas.
Unicef, the United Nations agency that works to defend the rights of children, estimates that almost half of those fatalities were children.

Robles spoke about the conflict during an interview on TVE before the military parade in Oviedo (Asturias) to mark Armed Forces Day, which was presided over by the King and Queen. “Spain is always very supportive of what is happening in the world. We cannot forget that people are dying in Ukraine, it is a tremendous war, nor ignore what is happening in Gaza, which is a real genocide,” she said. She added: “The recognition of the Palestinian State is a commitment to peace, a commitment to the coexistence of two States. And I think that we have to look at it in a positive light. This is not against the State of Israel, this is not against the Israelites, who are people we respect. This is a commitment to ending the violence in Gaza.”

The minister has stated that she does not fear that cooperation between the respective intelligence services to fight jihadist terrorism will cease due to the position of Pedro Sánchez's Government on Palestine. “We all have common objectives, which is the fight against terrorism. One issue is the diplomatic or political aspects. But in what is the fight against terrorism, in which we are all involved, I am sure that we will all continue working,” she responded.

Until now, the socialist wing of the Government had avoided using the term “genocide” to refer to Israel’s military attack on Gaza. For example, in an interview on La Sexta last week, the President of the Government, Pedro Sánchez, described Israel’s offensive as an “inhuman response”. “Would you describe what is happening in Gaza as genocide?” the presenter asked him directly. “I have my own particular view,” the head of the Executive responded. “Do you agree with that word?” the journalist insisted. “Let’s see… Are human rights being respected in Gaza? I have my serious doubts. In any case, it is the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice that have to clarify it. Obviously, I have my serious doubts, as does any objective analyst when seeing what is happening in Gaza: the indiscriminate death of civilians, women, children, girls… The unparalleled destruction of Gaza, which will lead to a reconstruction situation that will take decades,” the leader of the PSOE avoided.

The Israeli Embassy in Madrid has expressed its regret on social media that the Minister of Defense “has adopted the false and unfounded narrative of the terrorist organization Hamas” and has reiterated that Israel “is fighting in Gaza in accordance with international law” in a war “that it did not start nor want” against “a cruel enemy,” which is holding 125 Israelis hostage.

Tensions between Spain and Israel have been increasing over the weeks.
And they have multiplied, above all, after Sánchez announced the imminent recognition of the Palestinian State.
As a result, Israel recalled its ambassador to Spain, Rodica Radian-Gordon , for consultations , and summoned the Spanish ambassador to Tel Aviv, Ana María Sálomon, to reprimand her.
Then, the clash went up another notch.
The Israeli Foreign Minister, Israel Katz, announced the decision to “prohibit the Spanish consulate in Jerusalem from providing services to Palestinians” in the "West Bank" (Cisjordania).
He did so after Vice President Yolanda Díaz used the phrase “from the river to the sea” in a video supporting Palestine.

These words refer to the controversial slogan that is subject to different interpretations, alluding to the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, which today include the State of Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories: Gaza, "the West Bank" (Cisjordania) and East Jerusalem.

MORE INFORMATION :​

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Husni Abdel Wahed, first Palestinian ambassador: “Spain has not wanted to give Israel a license to kill”

MIGUEL GONZÁLEZ/ MADRID


War between Israel and Gaza

Gaza invasion resurrects forgotten recognition of the State of Palestine

ANTONIO PITA | JERUSALEM


Palestinian architect Sandi Hilal at the IVAM, this Wednesday.

Palestinian architect Sandi Hilal: “What is happening in Gaza is connecting various struggles in the world”

FERRAN BONO | VALENCIA

 

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