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[moose eater]

"world's largest concentration camp"

FOH



@Brother Nature did your great grandfather share with you any stories about all the times he had French Vanilla coffee in Dachau?

A.) The display in the video is from recent air drops.

B). The air drops in reference come following close to a 20-year blockade and now 4-5 months of extremely limited supplies and starvation, and a lack of resources in general, to include basic medical supplies.

C.) I've eaten many an MRE back in the day. Have you? They're not a deluxe meal by any stretch, and that French Vanilla (instant) Coffee packet ain't Starbuck's by a long shot.

D.) This is surplus military field food the US Government had lying about, that the US troops themselves make fun of the quality regularly. (We've used them for emergency survival rations in the bush, begrudgingly. Yes, I can tell you about the more palatable meals if you'd like, and even they are nothing to pine for).

E.) Not to be too petty when speaking re. starving peoples' needs, but I wonder how many of those MREs meet dietary standards for a devout Muslim?

Cannavore's right. You're stretching and groping in this effort to minimize the established and proven suffering of those in Palestine/Gaza, and more illuminated by taking the presence of such random government-sourced meals out of their time-line context, and the conditions that existed up until the air drops, as though those many months and years of being strangled for supplies or movement are erased by some instant French Vanilla coffee last week.

Then I read the posts of the 'pacifists' who advocate for Palestine/Hamas to disarm/drop their weapons, but no similar call for disarmament of Israel, who has a longer track record of initiating the violence in that region for over 75-years, a longer (singular) track record for land theft, as well as systemic rape, unprosecuted murders of Palestinians, etc., but it's people like me allegedly pushing the violence.

And the forehead-slapping over the assertions that the 'settlers' are not civilians. When even in the US, a contractor to the government is the same as the government entity that is contracting with them in re. to the laws and expectations. (And the settlers have been subsidized AND armed by the US indirectly, and Bibi's goons, more directly, as they plan to take even more Palestinian land and homes in violation of international law(s)). The 'settlers' (government contracted thieves and murderers) are HARDLY mere civilians. Can't have the cake and eat it too. Even Israel regards the bulldozing of Palestinian homes as 'combat operations', by the way. Mostly because they're self-serving drama queens and pussies.

'Apologists' is right. Quite accurate, really.

And yes, hypocritical on those persons' parts. At least Ukraine, for whom some/many of those same people, apparently lacking in personal insight into themselves or a modest understanding of the history, who have posted pro-violence statements about repelling Russia, well.... Ukraine was previously a part of the former Soviet Union's turf. Gaza was ~never~ a part of the state of Israel, except for in vague religious references left for loose and opportunistic, self-serving interpretation by the Nationalist Fascist Zionists and their lackeys.

But for those of us who recognize the legitimacy of Gaza's self-defense resistance, we are 'pushing violence', and those who have pushed for Ukraine's military response to Russia are merely acting on principle, while they ask for Gaza to be disarmed and Israel to remain armed. Wow....

Shake my head at peoples' blindness to their own lack of self-awareness and implicit affiliations. I guess all of that propaganda the US has helped Israel/Bibi pay for has been more than a bit effective, by all appearances, anyway.

 

[Cannavore]

Did Israel attack its own under color of Hamas?

 

[GenghisKush]

A.) recent air drops.

B). Following close to a 20-year blockade and now 4-5 months of extremely limited supplies and starvation and lack of resources in general, to include basic medical supplies.

C.) I've eaten many an MRE back in the day. Have you? They're not a deluxe meal by any stretch, and that French Vanilla (instant) Coffee packet ain't Starbucks by a long shot.

D.) This is surplus shit the US Government had lying about, that the US troops themselves make fun of the quality.

E.) Not to be too petty when speaking re. starving people, but I wonder how many of those MREs meet dietary standards for a devout Muslim?

Cannavore's right. You're stretching and groping in this effort to minimize the established and proven suffering of those in Palestine/Gaza, and more illuminated by taking the presence of such random government-sourced meals out of their time-line context, and the conditions that existed up until the air drops, as though those many months and years of being strangled for supplies or movement are erased by some instant French Vanilla coffee.

Then I read the posts of the 'pacifists' who advocate for Palestine/Hamas to disarm/drop their weapons, but no similar call for disarmament of Israel, who has a longer track record of initiating the violence in that region for over 75-years, a longer track record for land heft, systemic rape, unprosecuted murders of Palestinians, etc., but it's people like me allegedly pushing the violence.

Apologists is right. Quite accurate, really.

And yes, hypocritical on those persons' parts. At least Ukraine, for whom those people apparently lacking in personal insight into themselves, who have posted pro-violence statements about repelling Russia, used to be a part of the former Soviet Union's turf. Gaza was ~never~ a part of the state of Israel, except for in vague religious references left for loose and opportunistic interpretation by the Nationalist Fascist Zionists and their lackeys. But for those of us who recognize the legitimacy of Gaza's self-defense resistance, we are 'pushing violence', and those who have pushed for Ukraine's military response to Russia are merely acting on principle, while they ask for Gaza to be disarmed.

Shake my head at peoples' blindness to their own bullshit.

No.

A) Certainly these were recent USA air drops. Notice the man had to buy this freely-dropped object from the local government (Hamas). Hamas has to get its beak wet, of course.

B) He appeared fit, in good health; he commented that the quality of peanut butter in the MRE was comparable to what he was used to in Canada, which is an odd thing for a man who's spent his life in a concentration camp to say for sever reasons (Canada's renown as not being a concentration camp, for example).

C) I have eaten MRE and have been hungry enough to be grateful to have it. Have you been to a concentration camp or known anyone who spent time as prisoner in such a camp? None, in my experience, would complain about the quality of any food they managed to acquire, even French Vanilla.

D) US troops are famously well-fed.

E) Not a Muslim, but I suspect dietary restrictions are relaxed when people are starving. I'll bet they're relaxed even when people are pretend-starving.

I see what I see. Just because you can't or won't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there, or that I'm making it up. Nothing about what I've said has the effect of "minimizing the suffering" of people in Palestine (if only my words were so powerful). I do mean to call into question the characterization I see repeated over and over in this forum that Gaza is a concentration camp, or an open-air prison.

What I found remarkable about this video was not that the young man grumbled about the quality of his food. Or that he had such food. What I found remarkable was that some editor at the Quds News Network thought this would make good propaganda. That this wasn't dismissed as tone-deaf and insufferable. That this would garner sympathy and not make advocates for Hamas who push narratives about the world's largest concentration camp appear dishonest.

Moose you're alleged to be pushing violence probably because of all the times you have described in gruesome detail the acts of violence that you imagine visiting upon people (mostly Netanyahu).

Me, I advocate for Hamas to accept ceasefire, a thing they refuse to do.
Me, I reject the concept of ethnostate. It's wrong for any ethnicity. It's wrong for Jews. It's wrong for Arabs.

I support zero ethnostates. I've never said any differently, never.
How many ethnostates do you support?

 

[moose eater]

No.

A) Certainly these were recent USA air drops. Notice the man had to buy this freely-dropped object from the local government (Hamas). Hamas has to get its beak wet, of course.

B) He appeared fit, in good health; he commented that the quality of peanut butter in the MRE was comparable to what he was used to in Canada, which is an odd thing for a man who's spent his life in a concentration camp to say for sever reasons (Canada's renown as not being a concentration camp, for example).

C) I have eaten MRE and have been hungry enough to be grateful to have it. Have you been to a concentration camp or known anyone who spent time as prisoner in such a camp? None, in my experience, would complain about the quality of any food they managed to acquire, even French Vanilla.

D) US troops are famously well-fed.

E) Not a Muslim, but I suspect dietary restrictions are relaxed when people are starving. I'll bet they're relaxed even when people are pretend-starving.

I see what I see. Just because you can't or won't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there, or that I'm making it up. Nothing about what I've said has the effect of "minimizing the suffering" of people in Palestine (if only my words were so powerful). I do mean to call into question the characterization I see repeated over and over in this forum that Gaza is a concentration camp, or an open-air prison.

What I found remarkable about this video was not that the young man grumbled about the quality of his food. Or that he had such food. What I found remarkable was that some editor at the Quds News Network thought this would make good propaganda. That this wasn't dismissed as tone-deaf and insufferable. That this would garner sympathy and not make advocates for Hamas who push narratives about the world's largest concentration camp appear dishonest.

Moose you're alleged to be pushing violence probably because of all the times you have described in gruesome detail the acts of violence that you imagine visiting upon people (mostly Netanyahu).

Me, I advocate for Hamas to accept ceasefire, a thing they refuse to do.
Me, I reject the concept of ethnostate. It's wrong for any ethnicity. It's wrong for Jews. It's wrong for Arabs.

I support zero ethnostates. I've never said any differently, never.
How many ethnostates do you support?

Let me know how that MRE sampling goes.

There's been corruption in the handling of nearly every aid project in war's history. *See USAID cargo in SE Asia and what became of it there... with full knowledge of the US Government (USAID, CIA, etc.)

No response to the imbalanced assertions re. Israel keeping a military, but Hamas dropping weapons?

Yes, I think that serial mass murderers like Netanyahu ought to suffer BIG. No apologies.

Hamas came 39 years after Israel began stealing land from and murdering Palestinians, and, once again, was advocated for by Netanyahu and his clique, for their own slimy self-serving reasons. Think on that for a moment and ask yourself if Hamas might have come into existence at all had Israel abided by the legal boundaries?

Any SOVEREIGN nation can have whatever type of government they like/support. That's what sovereignty means. I do, however, insist they abide by their legally established boundaries, which Israel hasn't done since 1948 and the Nakba. Period.

Let me know what you -really- think of those MREs that began dropping a week ago, after you actually try one. Again, I've eaten them, as have my family members, former hunting partners, etc., and know more about them than something I read and inflated/exaggerated. US military personnel mock those meals. They are modern replacements for C-rations. Shelf-stable high carb 'food'. End of story.

Edit: And to assume that the guy in the video is representative of the average Palestinian? Where does that quantum-leap in biased logic come from?

 

[dramamine]

I've seen several of you guys gleefully talking about the different ways you'd like to see Trump be killed, but when Moose talks about how a literal mass murderer similarly, the same people hyperventilate and virtue signal. Disingenuous.

 

[moose eater]

By the way, regarding corruption re. US Military supplies/possessions, how do you think many of those in the public come into possession of those MREs in the US? As well as many other 'military surplus' items?

The stories I can tell from first-hand experience. LoL!!

By the way, the vinyl siding on my home came from a contractor to the US DoD who had ordered extra, and put a bunch of it on my home, offering me a deal on the stuff, and making money for himself.

The US DoD is little more than a cash cow in many cases, especially for the protected and special few to profit from, though some of the profiteers include the Non-Coms in the supply chain who see things slide discreetly out the back door of their offices. Right on down to an entire gymnasium worth of hardwood flooring that was being replaced, etc.

 

[GenghisKush]

I've seen several of you guys gleefully talking about the different ways you'd like to see Trump be killed, but when Moose talks about how a literal mass murderer similarly, the same people hyperventilate and virtue signal. Disingenuous.

I've never once mentioned it before, and made reference to it (moose's non-nonviolence) only in response to moose who brought it up himself.
Nor have I ever discussed any of the other colors you'd paint with that broad brush.

 

[dramamine]

I've never once mentioned it before, and made reference to it (moose's non-nonviolence) only in response to moose who brought it up himself.
Nor have I ever discussed any of the other colors you'd paint with that broad brush.

So it doesn't apply to you. I will say, it's quite ironic for someone who goes by the name GenghisKush to be so concerned about someone calling themself Khalissi.

 

[GenghisKush]

So it doesn't apply to you. I will say, it's quite ironic for someone who goes by the name GenghisKush to be so concerned about someone calling themself Khalissi.

that's fair.

 

[audiohi]

I find it deeply entertaining that after having moved on from the SPQR larpers and other overt white nationalists you're now on to pushing agitprop from a (presumably) white girl from Iowa who writes under the pseudonym Khalissee, which is (I think) Dothraki for "white saviour."

Can't you find a single Palestine advocate who isn't a hard core Blood and Soil type?

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did you miss it when I posted about the incident after it happened, about two years ago?

I'm not a white girl from Iowa

Shoot a helmeted journalist through the ear. Shoot at the person trying to help her. Beat the pallbearers.

 

[Cannavore]

not to mention just a couple posts up from khaleese the white savior's tweet i posted a video with palestinian american historian Rashid Khalidi

 

[Cannavore]

Rashid Khalidi (Pal/Am historian)
Ilan Pappe (Israeli historian)
Raz Segal (israeli historian)
Norman Finkelstein (Jew/Am political scientist)
Zachary Foster (israeli historian)

all academics. all have been posted before in this thread. none are white girls from iowa or random people on twitter.

 

[GenghisKush]

did you miss it when I posted about the incident after it happened, about two years ago?

I'm not a white girl from Iowa

I did miss you suggesting it justified the murder/rape of 1200 Israeli people, as Cannavore did just now.

 

[GenghisKush]

Rashid Khalidi (Pal/Am historian)
Ilan Pappe (Israeli historian)
Raz Segal (israeli historian)
Norman Finkelstein (Jew/Am political scientist)
Zachary Foster (israeli historian)

all academics. all have been posted before in this thread. none are white girls from iowa or random people on twitter.

Yes you do summon token Jews when it suits your purpose.
Other times when it suits your purpose you amplify the messages of proven White Nationalists.

Since no one's posted it yet lol....

A mattress with a poop stain was found inside (not joking). if this shit is connected to epsteins manhattan apartment or something people are gonna riot.

Of what relevance are these events in NY to discussion of the war in Ukraine or in Gaza?

Who the in the phrenological phuck is this supposed to be, and why should anyone regard anything they say about Jews as being good faith?

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so because the account that posted it is "white nationalist" to you, that means what?

Here is what that means to me: I think that more people would be more sympathetic to the cause of Palestinian people if their most vocal advocates weren't so regularly amplifying obvious white nationalist propaganda. It means that Palestinian people, for whom you purport to care deeply, deserve better advocacy than this. By aligning your voice with these white nationalists, these rank opportunists, you are doing the Palestinian people disservice. You're hurting the cause you claim to support.

I think you and I are close to accord on this point.

elon's dicksuckers doing holocaust revisionism

I'm glad you're critical of this suggested Holocaust revisionism/denialism. It does nothing but advance the interests of white nationalists who are pretending to advocate on behalf of Palestinian people.

Here's some text from an article I linked in post #11,295.

[A]ccounts like these do not grow so quickly without some help. On Nov. 7, it had only a few hundred followers. On Nov. 9, only 10 minutes after Stop Zionist Hate spit out a tweet, Censored Men shared it and told its 800,000 followers, “Everyone follow @StopZionistHate to keep updated on Zionist hate crimes.” A day later, the account had 16,000 followers.

When it was created, Stop Zionist Hate first followed many of the white nationalist accounts pretending to be pro-Palestinian. (Those behind the account have since attempted to sanitize their list of followed accounts.) It then complained about the supposed lack of attention to hate crimes against white people, a common refrain of neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Then it joined a Twitter Spaces (live chat) with neo-Nazis, and the person representing the account said they were fighting the “Zionist control over our institutions.”

A few days ago, the mask went from slipping to completely off: Stop Zionist Hate began spreading overt antisemitic content, including invoking the antisemitic trope that Jews killed Jesus.


Despite this, less than two months after its launch, Stop Zionist Hate has 121,000 followers. As it gains more followers, it will doubtless continue to double down on spreading overt antisemitism.

Here's that post by @CensoredMen, still up.



I think you see the problem.

 

[GenghisKush]

Norman Finkelstein (Jew/Am political scientist)

Never Forget the time Norm Finkelstein ethnically cleansed his own apartment building
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=X3H7mZgeC5t0uR6sjE//cg==

 

[audiohi]

I did miss you suggesting it justified the murder/rape of 1200 Israeli people, as Cannavore did just now.

you do realize that all these things that you get so upset that Cannavore is pointing out, actually happened, right?

Are you mad they happened, or just that they're being brought up again?

lol

 

[GenghisKush]

you do realize that all these things that you get so upset that Cannavore is pointing out, actually happened, right?

Are you mad they happened, or just that they're being brought up again?

I object to Cannavore's suggestion that these things that happened justify the murder of 1200 people.

As for your Dick Strocher thing, well if you cannot see it's bullshit on its face, maybe you need some help. here.

 

[Cannavore]

never said it was justification lol

sniping a palestinian american journalist wearing a press vest in the head isn't an instigation or antagonization tactic??

how bout killing 2nd in command of hamas' qassam brigades militia Ahmed Jabari hours after he proposed a peace deal?

Israeli peace activist: Hamas leader Jabari killed amid talks on long-term truce

Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit, says Israel made a mistake that will cost the lives of 'innocent people on both sides.'

www.haaretz.com

 

[GenghisKush]

never said it was justification lol

sniping a palestinian american journalist wearing a press vest in the head isn't an instigation or antagonization tactic??

how bout killing 2nd in command of hamas' qassam brigades militia Ahmed Jabari hours after he proposed a peace deal?

Israeli peace activist: Hamas leader Jabari killed amid talks on long-term truce

Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit, says Israel made a mistake that will cost the lives of 'innocent people on both sides.'

www.haaretz.com

I don't subscribe to Haaretz and cannot read the article due to their paywall. Perhaps you will share the gist of it.

As for your first question: no action can justify or instigate or antagonize Hamas's sneak attack from Gaza to kill and rape 1200 people in Israel, many still hostage. Maybe you don't share my opinion. Fine.

 

[audiohi]

I object to Cannavore's suggestion that these things that happened justify the murder of 1200 people.

As for your Dick Strocher thing, well if you cannot see it's bullshit on its face, maybe you need some help. here.

it still happened though. I don't know why you call it bullshit

Illegal tunnel under New York City synagogue destabilized nearby buildings, officials say​

https://apnews.com/article/tunnels-...-arrests-770-e133a0d771b61e1cc86b015157e5f78b


ps. my post from "dick strocher" was in The Speakers Corner's Funny Pictures Thread with the wording lol