War

[greyfader]

Sweden is a big turd with the capacity to defend one object for maybe a week or two in an armed conflict with a military power.

Does Ukraine have ”agency”? It has the agency of a US proxy. As for comments appearing I don’t care if you see that as a problem.

an article on Sweden's arms industry. just to clear up any misconceptions you may have about their ability to contribute to NATO.

The Swedish Arms Industry

Despite nominal neutrality and pacifist branding, Sweden is one of the world’s largest arms exporters. The country’s defense industry is…

medium.com

 

[armedoldhippy]

Including the guys getting shot in the back.

that's probably better than having your head crushed with a sledge hammer, huh...

 

[Blue Rhino]

Whatever fella, keep trusting your ukranian pravda. Meanwhile, another ukranian is mobilized to provide meat for the grinder.



Of course they would never shot him in the back..

Mmmhmmm. Are ya sure neither of them were AWOL maybe? But that's really not quite the same as having a rear barricade of troops whose specific job is to shoot you down like an animal for retreating though now, is it.
Meanwhile, Bedpan the nazi has been drawing troop strength primarily from the non-ethnic Russian population in the eastern part of the country. Cuz Ruzzian Whities be too important to die in a stupid, senseless invasion. What a neat way to ethnically cleanse one's country while pretending you're righteously fighting against a country full of what Bedpan and his propaganda machine call nazis though. Heil Bedpan!

 

[entropical]

You do realize that the rest of us understand that the meat grinder being there causes all of this... right?

Putin has the blood on his hands.

Including the guys getting shot in the back.

If a nazi-sympathizing imbecill like yourself want to blame Putin for ukranians shooting their own in the back then, go ahead. At least you have come to the realization that the meat grinder is there to demilitarize Ukraine. Massive progress from your earlier statement that war is not about destroying the enemy. As for having blood on ones hands, didn’t you vote for Biden and weapons to Ukraine?

 

[Hiddenjems]

Without his aggressive invasion nobody would be in a rush to join NATO.

You can say that the other way around to.

 

[entropical]

an article on Sweden's arms industry. just to clear up any misconceptions you may have about their ability to contribute to NATO.

The Swedish Arms Industry

Despite nominal neutrality and pacifist branding, Sweden is one of the world’s largest arms exporters. The country’s defense industry is…

medium.com

So you are arguing that the Wallenberg oligarchs who owns the swedish arms industry can take part in the profits of mass human slaughter in future NATO wars, as if they did not do this already.

 

[audiohi]

an article on Sweden's arms industry. just to clear up any misconceptions you may have about their ability to contribute to NATO.

The Swedish Arms Industry

Despite nominal neutrality and pacifist branding, Sweden is one of the world’s largest arms exporters. The country’s defense industry is…

medium.com

 

[greyfader]

You can say that the other way around to.

no, you really can't because NATO has never threatened to invade Russia. it's a defensive alliance formed in response to Russian threats and actual invasions.

the kremlin's argument is that NATO presents an existential threat to Russia when in actuality it presents no threat to Russian sovereignty. it does put a damper on Russia's dreams of empire.

reading Putler's speech to the Russian people on Feb 22, 2022, you will hear him lamenting the loss of the former USSR and blaming it on the former Soviet leaders.

he clearly wants it all back. when the Soviet Union collapsed Russia lost 1/2 of its population and the natural resources of those republics.

 

[greyfader]

So you are arguing that the Wallenberg oligarchs who owns the swedish arms industry can take part in the profits of mass human slaughter in future NATO wars, as if they did not do this already.

sure, why not? why should they be any different than the Russian oligarchs who own the Russian arms export industry?

which, by the way, is not doing so well right now.

editing to add that Medvedev's drunken half-veiled threats are having no effect whatsoever on the West's collective resolve to stop Russian aggression now instead of later.

one of the reasons is that the psychology of the current Russian leadership and the oligarchs who fund them is that of a bunch of gangsters.

they live lavish, luxurious lifestyles, and have you ever seen a gangster voluntarily end his own existence over principle?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

You can say that the other way around to.

Nobody would be in a rush to join NATO if it wasn't for his aggressive invasion.

 

[entropical]

sure, why not?

Because it does not change the fact that swedish military would last about a week in war against Russia. Swedish weapons have been used in terror attacks against russian civilians, swedish neo-nazis have been involved in incorporating ukronazi militias in the AFU. Sure weapons industry delights. And what, exactly, will the swedish people gain from being drawn into a war with Russia?

 

[armedoldhippy]

neat way to ethnically cleanse one's country while pretending you're righteously fighting

sometimes it's not race... "they drafted the white trash first, around here anyway" -Steve Earle - "Copperhead Road" - rich folks get deferments, poor folks go wade in rice paddies...

 

[Hiddenjems]

no, you really can't because NATO has never threatened to invade Russia. it's a defensive alliance formed in response to Russian threats and actual invasions.

the kremlin's argument is that NATO presents an existential threat to Russia when in actuality it presents no threat to Russian sovereignty. it does put a damper on Russia's dreams of empire.

reading Putler's speech to the Russian people on Feb 22, 2022, you will hear him lamenting the loss of the former USSR and blaming it on the former Soviet leaders.

he clearly wants it all back. when the Soviet Union collapsed Russia lost 1/2 of its population and the natural resources of those republics.

When the ussr dissolved NATO became pointless. There was no communism to stop from that point on.

Maybe if Russia went back to Commie, American leftists would root for them against the Ukraine filthy capitalists.

Wars all do the same things. Kill people that don’t matter and enrich people that do matter.

 

[armedoldhippy]

When the ussr dissolved NATO became pointless. There was no communism to stop from that point on.

as long as Russia has nuclear weapons & attacks their neighbors, NATO has a purpose.

Kill people that do matter and enrich people that don't matter.

fixed it for you...

 

[mean mr.mustard]

If a nazi-sympathizing imbecill like yourself want to blame Putin for ukranians shooting their own in the back then, go ahead. At least you have come to the realization that the meat grinder is there to demilitarize Ukraine. Massive progress from your earlier statement that war is not about destroying the enemy. As for having blood on ones hands, didn’t you vote for Biden and weapons to Ukraine?

I don't sympathize with Nazis.

There is nobody else to blame but Putin.

I understand that the meat grinder is killing people and weapons, is that demilitarization?

War is not about destroying the enemy.

I thought the story goes that the Ukrainians are the Russians brethren.... are they now enemies?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

When the ussr dissolved NATO became pointless. There was no communism to stop from that point on.

Maybe if Russia went back to Commie, American leftists would root for them against the Ukraine filthy capitalists.

Wars all do the same things. Kill people that don’t matter and enrich people that do matter.

NATO wasn't founded against communism but Russian aggression.

Which people don't matter, and which people do?

 

[Zeez]

Any news on Yevgeny Prigozhin ?

Latest news is reporting missing generals and talk of internal mutiny in the Russian military.

 

[Hiddenjems]

NATO wasn't founded against communism but Russian aggression.

Which people don't matter, and which people do?

NATO wasn't founded against communism but Russian aggression.

Which people don't matter, and which people do?

Russia didnt exist when nato was founded.

NATO was formed to stop the spread of the ussr, and protect Western Europe from communist advances.

Either way Europe can’t hold their own so they need the hated USA for their existence.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

If you haven't been kept up to date, Putin wants the USSR back in effect.

Crimea and Ukraine?

Tip of the iceberg.

Putin is trying to rein in the bits that broke from the USSR.

Sorry if you need to think outside of the box to understand what I'm speaking of...

Putin has plenty of speeches if you don't like mine.

 

[shiva82]

the blank cheques have ended .

the weapons and ammunition are running dry .

only way out is for zelensky to grovel to putin and make peace