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so, you would have been okay with allowing Germany to conquer all of Europe, Russia, & Great Britain, and letting Japan subjugate the entirety of Asia ? argue away, Mr. Chamberlain. this should be "enlightening"...
Corpselover Fat
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Girkin on a roll again
"WORLD RAT DAY
Almost missed it. But in time I realized and corrected the error:
I congratulate the entire staff of the presidential administration and the government of the Russian Federation, VIP managers of state corporations, the vast majority of governors and members of both chambers of the "parliament" of the Russian Federation, as well as all the oligarchs without exception - on their professional holiday!
All the best to you in this life and do not try to repent! For below the pans are waiting .... and I'm sure no one will pray for your lost souls"
"WORLD RAT DAY
Almost missed it. But in time I realized and corrected the error:
I congratulate the entire staff of the presidential administration and the government of the Russian Federation, VIP managers of state corporations, the vast majority of governors and members of both chambers of the "parliament" of the Russian Federation, as well as all the oligarchs without exception - on their professional holiday!
All the best to you in this life and do not try to repent! For below the pans are waiting .... and I'm sure no one will pray for your lost souls"
Brother Nature
Well-known member
That wasn't what I was saying mate. I wouldn't expect you to understand Hippy, I don't mean that disrespectfully either, we just look at some things very differently. I wish I could think about things in a black and white manner, but I cannot...
greyfader
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don't you think that maybe this reply from you demonstrates that you, too, may have a little bit of a "unilateral" viewpoint?
as far as populist flow goes, at the time i protested the viet nam war i was living in San Francisco from 1965 to 1970. at that time people against the war were a very small minority of the population.
i've always had sort of an anarchist attitude towards government, Henry David Thoreau's "The government that governs best is the one that governs least".
i was working too hard to do much protesting for iraq so i wasn't involved with any kind of flow regarding it, populist or not.
on Afghanistan, i did not say that there were not a lot of nice people there. but i will stand by my description of their historical nature as a feudal, undeveloped nation of warlords.
"I also oppose any and all types of war, I can't see death and destruction of our fellow man as justified, no matter the spin put on it."
i agree with this statement, i am personally against war but sometimes you have to fight to defend yourself when you have a violent, aggressive attacker on your hands.
what would you have done with afghanistan after they allowed international terrorists to launch attacks on our soil? or when japan attacked pearl harbor.
now, the taliban is fighting the terror groups in afghanistan for us because they don't want us to come back. we are helping to fund the country still.
on my family's history of involvement in wars, one of my grandfathers was a sharecropper in mississippi and his son, my father, was 16 and lied about his age in order to join the navy in ww2. he was an uneducated farm kid when he enlisted but become an officer and captain of two different warships before he retired after 24 years. my brother and sister both served in the navy.
but this is not unusual, every family has relatives that have been in wars or the military.
but, i'm still the only one in the family that has been in close, hand-to-hand combat and i've never been in the military. i've been shot twice and stabbed once.
because of my own history, i try to avoid violence but i carry daily and won't become a victim again.
i lived in oregon from 2013 to 2018. while there i became involved with quite a few vets with ptsd.
i gave away a lot of medicine regularly the whole time.
my wife and i took in a homeless vet with ptsd for 3 months and helped him get a job, and a place to live.
we also bought him a $3500 used pick-up truck as an outright gift with no strings attached.
one of my cousins, who went to vietnam and stepped on a land mine, came home, got married, had two kids, was a high school coach, and at the age of 56, his wife found him swinging from a rope in the garage.
"I myself have never served, but have served time due to the "war" on drugs."
i turned 21 in prison for cannabis sales.
so, we all have these types of stories in our past and i'm just as against war as you but believe that some things are worth fighting for.
"So to me, no war is ok, the events that follow any kind of war never progress humanity. I can't stand by and support that in any way and I will always argue with anyone who believes a war can be justified, the world is never that black and white."
have you argued this point with mr putler? what would you have had the Ukrainian people do when they were invaded by russia? nothing? just quietly and meekly accept the yoke of oppression they have been free of for more than thirty years?
sometimes you must either fight or perish.
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^^^ show us why the Allies in WW2 were not justified. ^^^ i'll wait. i'm retired, got all the time in the world. it IS black and white. you go to war, or you let evil win. there was no gray area in this case.
Auschwitz wasn´t liberated with pacifism and flowers.
i hate to be the one to mention this, but many out there (and a couple in HERE!) don't believe that what Nazis did in the camps actually happened.
LOL, it happened in Germany, authoritys in germany are very correct, also in mass murder, there are thousands of documents, lists of the deported jews from where they were, railroad plans with the train numbers, evidences without end and so on, not to speak about pictures, letters and survivors.
People who don´t believe the holocaust are stupid and human trash or believe that the world is flat.
People who don´t believe the holocaust are stupid and human trash or believe that the world is flat.
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Not only do you deny nazism in Ukraine but you also make solidarity postings to the OUN/UPA and its founder, national hero Stepan Bandera, architect of the Holocaust in Ukraine.
But to be clear then, you consider anyone who do not believe the myth that 6 million jews were killed in gas ovens and turned into human lampshades and soap to be human trash, untermensch.
Corpselover Fat
Active member
But to be clear then, you hate Nazis, but don't believe in the holocaust.
Only the Ukrainian holocaust because it can be used for an excuse for genocide.
greyfader
Well-known member
all will notice that entropical has repeatedly and stubbornly stuck to the official russian state media line that this invasion is about nazi's.
he won't talk about russian dreams of re-expansion at all.
he keeps trying to redirect the conversation to the nazi theme.
i think the elites in russia are well aware of the tsarist dream and are all for it but the poor, uneducated, rural, and working-class russian's just believe what they hear from the top.
and are too afraid to voice dissenting opinions.
the wealthy russian elites know that expansion brings wealth and the opportunity to exploit the resources of all the former soviet states.
putler obviously laments the loss of the land, population, resources, glory, and power of soviet russia.
he won't talk about russian dreams of re-expansion at all.
he keeps trying to redirect the conversation to the nazi theme.
i think the elites in russia are well aware of the tsarist dream and are all for it but the poor, uneducated, rural, and working-class russian's just believe what they hear from the top.
and are too afraid to voice dissenting opinions.
the wealthy russian elites know that expansion brings wealth and the opportunity to exploit the resources of all the former soviet states.
putler obviously laments the loss of the land, population, resources, glory, and power of soviet russia.
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Corpselover Fat
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This is a long text by Girkin, but if I understand correctly he is saying that some commanders working together with a bike gang (night wolves) and fsb(?) deliberately had most of a brigade killed to hide stealing [heavy] weaponry. That's quite fucked up even by Russian standards.
"Advertising is now actively spreading on Internet networks not for the "battalion", but for the whole "brigade" "Alexander Nevsky". It is reported that under the leadership of Alexei Vereshchagin (call sign "Emelya"), a whole volunteer brigade has already been deployed, consisting of three "nominal" battalions, numbering in the state - neither more nor less - 1186 "bayonets".
Readers of my page remember that in September last year I was personally involved in the creation of an "advertisement" for this unit as the alleged chief of staff of the battalion (as Vereshchagin assured me - "one big (personally known to me) general gave his word that I would be enrolled and I'll go with the battalion to the front. "Who lied to me - the general or Vereshchagin
- I'm not even interested - "what is the pop - such is the arrival").
And now, faced with the fact that many volunteers consider the Nevsky as a desirable option for their dispatch to the front, and, on the other hand, having information about what is happening with the battalion ALREADY at the front, I am forced not only to disavow my " advertising", but also to make an appeal NOT TO BELIEVE MILITARY CROOKS. In this case, a Kyiv swindler by the name of Vereshchagin with the call sign "Emelya".
The battalion arrived at the front in a state of, at best, a "reinforced company" - without the promised heavy weapons and military equipment - and began to fall apart at the training ground near Tambov, where, apparently, it "sawed money", except for Vereshchagin himself, also his friend "Biker" (son-in-law of the general personally known to me) and, probably, not only him.
Upon arrival, the "battalion" was sent to the battle near Avdiivka, where it did not show itself in anything special (without the commander, who was constantly absent, "conducting negotiations" in large headquarters, however, as well as at the training ground during the preparation period). The battles "didn't go very well" and after the "camp on the sewer pipe" (I won't disclose the details, whoever knows - he will understand) the core of the battalion, consisting of fired soldiers and commanders, simply "five hundred", as the idiotic instructions of the newcomer " brigade commander", who came on such an occasion from the deep rear to "deal" with the rebellious entrusted army right along with General Yevkurov himself, - he was not inspired to exploits, and the incomprehensible status of "volunteers" seems to allow not just walking silently to "meat assaults".
At the moment, the widely advertised "brigade" does not even have one combat-ready company. The commander - instead of commanding a unit - is engaged in political and commercial machinations, together with friends from the Night Wolves biker club and his military patrons from the well-known "three-letter" organization. And people - thanks to wide and thoroughly false advertising - come and fall, "like chickens in a pluck."
I strongly and reasonably suspect (and I'm not the only one) that this unit was created mainly for "making a profit at the expense of dead souls." Since it is listed in it for a thousand people, and in positions - and two hundred were not recruited at the time of entering the battle (now even less). And the "heavy weapons" assigned to the battalion (not to mention the brigade) are absent as such, except for a few SPG-9s and Utyos.
I ask people who "pecked" at the false advertising of Vereshchagin and Co. - take into account my opinion. Which I express solely because (because I know a lot about the same about other similar divisions of the "Redutov's office") that I myself took part in its "promotion".
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"Advertising is now actively spreading on Internet networks not for the "battalion", but for the whole "brigade" "Alexander Nevsky". It is reported that under the leadership of Alexei Vereshchagin (call sign "Emelya"), a whole volunteer brigade has already been deployed, consisting of three "nominal" battalions, numbering in the state - neither more nor less - 1186 "bayonets".
Readers of my page remember that in September last year I was personally involved in the creation of an "advertisement" for this unit as the alleged chief of staff of the battalion (as Vereshchagin assured me - "one big (personally known to me) general gave his word that I would be enrolled and I'll go with the battalion to the front. "Who lied to me - the general or Vereshchagin
- I'm not even interested - "what is the pop - such is the arrival").
And now, faced with the fact that many volunteers consider the Nevsky as a desirable option for their dispatch to the front, and, on the other hand, having information about what is happening with the battalion ALREADY at the front, I am forced not only to disavow my " advertising", but also to make an appeal NOT TO BELIEVE MILITARY CROOKS. In this case, a Kyiv swindler by the name of Vereshchagin with the call sign "Emelya".
The battalion arrived at the front in a state of, at best, a "reinforced company" - without the promised heavy weapons and military equipment - and began to fall apart at the training ground near Tambov, where, apparently, it "sawed money", except for Vereshchagin himself, also his friend "Biker" (son-in-law of the general personally known to me) and, probably, not only him.
Upon arrival, the "battalion" was sent to the battle near Avdiivka, where it did not show itself in anything special (without the commander, who was constantly absent, "conducting negotiations" in large headquarters, however, as well as at the training ground during the preparation period). The battles "didn't go very well" and after the "camp on the sewer pipe" (I won't disclose the details, whoever knows - he will understand) the core of the battalion, consisting of fired soldiers and commanders, simply "five hundred", as the idiotic instructions of the newcomer " brigade commander", who came on such an occasion from the deep rear to "deal" with the rebellious entrusted army right along with General Yevkurov himself, - he was not inspired to exploits, and the incomprehensible status of "volunteers" seems to allow not just walking silently to "meat assaults".
At the moment, the widely advertised "brigade" does not even have one combat-ready company. The commander - instead of commanding a unit - is engaged in political and commercial machinations, together with friends from the Night Wolves biker club and his military patrons from the well-known "three-letter" organization. And people - thanks to wide and thoroughly false advertising - come and fall, "like chickens in a pluck."
I strongly and reasonably suspect (and I'm not the only one) that this unit was created mainly for "making a profit at the expense of dead souls." Since it is listed in it for a thousand people, and in positions - and two hundred were not recruited at the time of entering the battle (now even less). And the "heavy weapons" assigned to the battalion (not to mention the brigade) are absent as such, except for a few SPG-9s and Utyos.
I ask people who "pecked" at the false advertising of Vereshchagin and Co. - take into account my opinion. Which I express solely because (because I know a lot about the same about other similar divisions of the "Redutov's office") that I myself took part in its "promotion".
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Corpselover Fat
Active member
^he is also insinuating this wasn't the only time it happened. I don't know if he is right or not. Maybe there just isn't enough heavy weaponry for the troops and he just can't grasp it? Who knows, but that would be much less horrible of a scenario... Neither is great for Russia...
hey, they have to make money while they can. no omelets without breaking eggs...
boy, if that became common knowledge among the combat troops (those that are still alive) Ukraine might find a sudden source of motivated new troops & equipment. then again, Russia -might- just dip their toes into some really nasty civil war scenarios...they have gone there before.
St. Phatty
Active member
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U.S. Army identifies 9 soldiers killed in Black Hawk helicopter collision
The U.S. service members were flying in two HH60 Blackhawk helicopters during a routine training mission when the collision occurred, the Army said.
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There's something wrong with you.CELEBRATE ! 9 American Terrorists De-commissioned.
U.S. Army identifies 9 soldiers killed in Black Hawk helicopter collision
The U.S. service members were flying in two HH60 Blackhawk helicopters during a routine training mission when the collision occurred, the Army said.
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Get your brain checked, @St. Phatty
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ever see maggots squirming on a dead animal?
