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Vintage Colombian
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We had a friend where we lived in Australia in the late 80 s ,
his mate used to grow colombian , it was yellow like u described,
id never seen pot like it .. the smell was amazing , certainly didnt look like it had been sun bleached , i just put it down to the genetics .. i too wish i had kept seeds , there was a few ,, very memorable pot , great high .. my friends used to refer to it as colombian tripping grass ... lol ..
Reguarding the gold / yellow colors of cannabis .Ime the NH , Hillbilly Haze , NYC Haze have expressed this trait .The first two outdoor the NYC Haze Imo is indoor . SamS mentioned long ago it is from Genetics
Glad to see action in this thread , thanks to all for the contributions
1luvbigherb
Glad to see action in this thread , thanks to all for the contributions
1luvbigherb
SamS and other note that Punto Rojo was one of three Colombian Hazes that were crossed in the late 1960's to make Haze. After 10 years or so Haze got inbreed and lost its vigor. Some early growers including SamS noted the Colombians used in Haze were "Purple" "Maroon" "Dark Green leafy" and "Silver / Light Green" with aromas of uncured flowers ranging from sweet tropicial fruit, citrus, pine / spice, and root beer / coke. Frankincense is citrus, cedar, pine, spice.
Sweet tropical fruit is euphoric / psycedelic, citrus is energetic / calm, and pine is clear / cerebral. ColJam [(Colombian Giold x 1960's Jamacian Lambbread) x Colombian Gold] high is pine / spicy - clear / cerebral, Punto Rojo pine / spice has a similar high to ColJam.
If you review Charlie Garica's photographs here on "Vintage Colombian" you'll clearly see the "Purple" Marooon" "Dark Green leafy" and "Silver / Light Green" Haze pheno-types contained in Cannabiogen's Punto Rojo. Cannabiogen Club on Cannabiogen's website also shows the classic Punto Rojo ~ "Red Point" Green calyxes with red tips or points.
My best friend in college was a small connoisseur player in New York City in the late 1960's. He always had 6 or 7 Colombians loose flowers almost seedless that ranged in color from gold, red, rainbow, dark green, silver, and brown/black. Some were clear, clean and cerebral and some were strong, dense and psychedelic.
Somewhere on SamS noted his preference for the high from the Silver Light green Colombian over the darker ones. The high from the "Silver light green" Punto Rojo is clear, clean, blissful. Dubi has noted the same from Ace's "Green Haze" and noted Ace's "Purple Haze" as denser, stronger. Something like that.
not sure who said this but big herb posted this on ICMag "Colombian Gold how was it made" thread" and the descriptions of the colors of Colombian used to make "Original Haze" correspond to SamS description of the Colombians used to make "Original Haze" also to folklore about "Silver Haze" "Purple Haze" "Green Haze" "Mango Haze" and so on.......
HISTORY OF THE ORIGINAL HAZE
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greetings to all,
a while back i mentioned that i was one of the original haze growers back in
the 70's. and i promised the community that if i could hook up with the man
that created the name and strain who i've known for decades i would report back. I'm back!
The story is funny but i must begin by saying everything that Sam the Skunkman has ever reported about it is accurate. He may have left out
some fun details that i will share. The following comments are not conjecture, second hand rumor, they are the facts, from the mouth of the
guy who did it. Not is helper partner, sister brother or dog.
Haze - the name? Hendrix "purple haze is on my brain" thats where Haze
comes from.
Original - it was original so it fit.
Strain - an accident. Back then we all felt that Colombian Gold aka as Punto Roja was the best smoke. The haze comes from a Punta Roja seed
and was bred to itself for about 10 years after which the strain went
weak and became useless. It was never a stable strain and usually produced four varieties. Root Beer, deep purple, magenta, and light silver green.
There was never any Haze Brothers, that's urban legend. There were haze brothers that were large buyers and were brothers so we called them the haze brothers but there was three of them anyway.
Sam was a neighbor that got some of the seeds and in early 80's moved to amsterdam and the rest is history. if there is anyone that deserves respect for saving and back breeding the line into stronger more stable plants it would have been mr. skunk. who i do not know personally but might have bumped into back then among the circle.
any other persons claim to have bred "haze" is just co-opting a word that
was attributed to a paricular accident that produced some of the greatest
ever.
all the other stories are bull shit period end of story. Mr. Skunkman's report on this has been on the mark, and more importantly, it was his
vision and drive that brought the genetics to holland where he shared them and the rest is history.
hope you all enjoyed the real story.
peace/hh
Sweet tropical fruit is euphoric / psycedelic, citrus is energetic / calm, and pine is clear / cerebral. ColJam [(Colombian Giold x 1960's Jamacian Lambbread) x Colombian Gold] high is pine / spicy - clear / cerebral, Punto Rojo pine / spice has a similar high to ColJam.
If you review Charlie Garica's photographs here on "Vintage Colombian" you'll clearly see the "Purple" Marooon" "Dark Green leafy" and "Silver / Light Green" Haze pheno-types contained in Cannabiogen's Punto Rojo. Cannabiogen Club on Cannabiogen's website also shows the classic Punto Rojo ~ "Red Point" Green calyxes with red tips or points.
My best friend in college was a small connoisseur player in New York City in the late 1960's. He always had 6 or 7 Colombians loose flowers almost seedless that ranged in color from gold, red, rainbow, dark green, silver, and brown/black. Some were clear, clean and cerebral and some were strong, dense and psychedelic.
Somewhere on SamS noted his preference for the high from the Silver Light green Colombian over the darker ones. The high from the "Silver light green" Punto Rojo is clear, clean, blissful. Dubi has noted the same from Ace's "Green Haze" and noted Ace's "Purple Haze" as denser, stronger. Something like that.
not sure who said this but big herb posted this on ICMag "Colombian Gold how was it made" thread" and the descriptions of the colors of Colombian used to make "Original Haze" correspond to SamS description of the Colombians used to make "Original Haze" also to folklore about "Silver Haze" "Purple Haze" "Green Haze" "Mango Haze" and so on.......
HISTORY OF THE ORIGINAL HAZE
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greetings to all,
a while back i mentioned that i was one of the original haze growers back in
the 70's. and i promised the community that if i could hook up with the man
that created the name and strain who i've known for decades i would report back. I'm back!
The story is funny but i must begin by saying everything that Sam the Skunkman has ever reported about it is accurate. He may have left out
some fun details that i will share. The following comments are not conjecture, second hand rumor, they are the facts, from the mouth of the
guy who did it. Not is helper partner, sister brother or dog.
Haze - the name? Hendrix "purple haze is on my brain" thats where Haze
comes from.
Original - it was original so it fit.
Strain - an accident. Back then we all felt that Colombian Gold aka as Punto Roja was the best smoke. The haze comes from a Punta Roja seed
and was bred to itself for about 10 years after which the strain went
weak and became useless. It was never a stable strain and usually produced four varieties. Root Beer, deep purple, magenta, and light silver green.
There was never any Haze Brothers, that's urban legend. There were haze brothers that were large buyers and were brothers so we called them the haze brothers but there was three of them anyway.
Sam was a neighbor that got some of the seeds and in early 80's moved to amsterdam and the rest is history. if there is anyone that deserves respect for saving and back breeding the line into stronger more stable plants it would have been mr. skunk. who i do not know personally but might have bumped into back then among the circle.
any other persons claim to have bred "haze" is just co-opting a word that
was attributed to a paricular accident that produced some of the greatest
ever.
all the other stories are bull shit period end of story. Mr. Skunkman's report on this has been on the mark, and more importantly, it was his
vision and drive that brought the genetics to holland where he shared them and the rest is history.
hope you all enjoyed the real story.
peace/hh
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I am not so sure about strains being certain colors. I've talked about this before but in 2004 I obtained some classic very blond gold colored bud directly from the Santa Marta. It looked, smelled, tasted and had the same effect as top self 70s Gold. However when I grew out a few seed of it in Bogota the cured flowers were bright green. The effect also was different, not as heavy and totally different taste. Same time I grew some seeds from a bright green sample from the coastal lowlands and in Bogota the plants were purple and nothing like the seeded bud. Much more research must be done (19 plants at a time).
red rider
red rider
Satva
First id like to say thankyou for all your contributions ,I truly appreciate the detailed post of your experience especially considering you have experienced sativas of yesteryear . Beautiful pics amazing descriptions and great taste in variety
below is apost from you an you've made several post about this
You may be familiar that I love Haze and ive spoke for years that Frankies aka the Best NYC Haze is my grail smoke #1 IME .
Something ive never asked or touched on is your post reguarding Haze / Colombians with traits of Frankincense . Do you recall specifically if you smoked haze with these traits or Colombians with these traits ? if soo which Colombians / which Hazes can you give specifics .Such as Gold Haze Colombian Gold
There have been less then a handful to Reveal the Ohaze as pure Colombian .As for Sams noting Punto rojo being one of the Colombians in punto rojo he was actually the last , The story I was told it is only Punto rojo genetics no other Lumbos. I recall an OG poster bluebeard (who I wish still posted ) posted that he thought Haze was Colombian an didn't recognize Thai in the Haze he grew ,mentioning the older Lumbos as being leqautorial and longer flowering than thais . Then Happyhi posted he was mentored by the master and shared his experiences, sometime later then I put out an article
The comparisons you have made to Haze an Punto rojo / Cbg Punto rojo ive stated long ago .Here also at the farm ,not long ago post 1249 in my Q for Sams thread with added pics from our latins bros in post 1284 the next post below is some Nevilles haze before cure slight golden tint .
Respect always to RR , I don't wish to go off topic .
That quote below from hh is happyhi . This fella had made many revelations about the Original Haze and Sams then agreed an changed/cleared up some things which were loosely stated .Not going into that as I dug to china already .Aswell as published an article The True origins of Haze
Just remember G was the originator of OHaze . Sams speaks of j who helped G with his first grows in the mountains . Also speaks of r aka R.L the later partner when they moved into greenhouse/S a few years later.The four main phenos were Gold Magenta blue silver
1luvbigherb
First id like to say thankyou for all your contributions ,I truly appreciate the detailed post of your experience especially considering you have experienced sativas of yesteryear . Beautiful pics amazing descriptions and great taste in variety
below is apost from you an you've made several post about this
You may be familiar that I love Haze and ive spoke for years that Frankies aka the Best NYC Haze is my grail smoke #1 IME .
Something ive never asked or touched on is your post reguarding Haze / Colombians with traits of Frankincense . Do you recall specifically if you smoked haze with these traits or Colombians with these traits ? if soo which Colombians / which Hazes can you give specifics .Such as Gold Haze Colombian Gold
There have been less then a handful to Reveal the Ohaze as pure Colombian .As for Sams noting Punto rojo being one of the Colombians in punto rojo he was actually the last , The story I was told it is only Punto rojo genetics no other Lumbos. I recall an OG poster bluebeard (who I wish still posted ) posted that he thought Haze was Colombian an didn't recognize Thai in the Haze he grew ,mentioning the older Lumbos as being leqautorial and longer flowering than thais . Then Happyhi posted he was mentored by the master and shared his experiences, sometime later then I put out an article
The comparisons you have made to Haze an Punto rojo / Cbg Punto rojo ive stated long ago .Here also at the farm ,not long ago post 1249 in my Q for Sams thread with added pics from our latins bros in post 1284 the next post below is some Nevilles haze before cure slight golden tint .
Respect always to RR , I don't wish to go off topic .
That quote below from hh is happyhi . This fella had made many revelations about the Original Haze and Sams then agreed an changed/cleared up some things which were loosely stated .Not going into that as I dug to china already .Aswell as published an article The True origins of Haze
Just remember G was the originator of OHaze . Sams speaks of j who helped G with his first grows in the mountains . Also speaks of r aka R.L the later partner when they moved into greenhouse/S a few years later.The four main phenos were Gold Magenta blue silver
1luvbigherb
Colombian Haze
Colombian Haze
Hey bigherb, are you looking for the taste and aroma of frankincense or the high associated with frankincense terpenes? As you know even pure haze contain many terpenes. That said the best place to look is in pure genetics.
My best friend in college was a small player in new York city in the late 1960's and early 1970's he loved connoisseur Colombian marihuana. It was noted only by the color, Gold Colombian was gold, Red Colombian was red...hehehe... narrow leaf fairly pure equatorial Colombian genetics are a great place to look. You also have to consider the curing process. Highland Mexican is ready to smoke when the aroma in the jar turns from skunky to temple incense. Temple incense is made with herbs and flowers which is a sweeter aroma frankincense is tree resin.
Here is the ColJam / Colombian Gold I'm smoking now. Its green, orange, silver, purple, from my closet (every color but gold). I'm pretty sure She's the sister of one of the Haze Brothers, but I'm not sure which one...........hehehe aroma of pine, citrus and spice in the jar. Maybe this ColJam would turn Gold in a High mountain semi-desert environment, but not in my closet. Under artifical lights, its easy to blanch or bleach flowers before they turn gold, not enough water, and too much light during harvest and curing often creates bleaching which is not good for preserving trichones. If you let the flowers dry on the plant flowers and trichones turn gold/amber in hazes, another trick that is not good for preserving trichones. Some IcMager's are cob curing which will eventually turn everything dark brown/black.
Do you recall specifically if you smoked haze with these traits or Colombians with these traits ?
I still remember, seedless, connoisseur, individual buds of Colombian that came thru New York City in the late 1960's and early 1970's with the citrus, pine, incense smell in the smoke similar to Frankincense sandal wood tree resin. The high was internal and expansive.
1969 - 1971 Nepalese Temple hash had a sweeter floral aroma that I call Temple Incense, this is the aroma of some meditation sticks of incense, not tree resin.
Thai sativas are usually more spacious and floatly.
Pondorosa pine tree resin in Colorado has an aroma that smells like orange peel. I burn frankincesnse incense so I know that smell of the resin and the smoke. I describe Frankincense as citrus, pine, cedar, spice.
if so which Colombians / which Hazes can you give specifics .Such as Gold Haze Colombian Gold.
I'm smoking ColJam, now which is [(1980 Colombian Gold x 1960's Jamaican) x 1980 Colombian Gold] cured in the jar is smells like frankincense. I only selected and grew one female. I believe this pheno-type was 1980 Colombian Gold dominate. I've posted smoke reports on this ColJam pheno, its one of the 1970 classic Colombian haze highs. The high is clear, clean, cerebral high, it can be intense, - closest I've experienced to pure LSD - 25.
There is a pheno in Punto Rojo that I harvested last week with similar pine, citrus, spice in flower, and similar growth and flowering structure to ColJam. Very wispy, more wispy than the Punto Rojo light green /silver pheno which is very vigorous. Punto Rojo light green / silver pheno-type is sweet tropical fruit often called mango.
Once these various Colombian Haze phenos are fully cured, I'll direct draw vapor on three temperatures. Low, medium, high. The aroma of the vapor is easy for me to detect and different from each temperature setting. Different terpenes vaporize at different temperatures and the different vapors have a different highs. I'm sure I'll find frankincense vapor/smoke in both Punto Rojo and ColJam. I expect the low vapors from the Punto Rojo sweet tropical fruit will be guava/rose on low and then citrus on medium and maybe some pine/spice on high temperature. I'd expect Colombian Haze or Thailand Haze with Mango dominate terpenes to be a euphoric high denser and less soaring than guava/rose terpenes.
Guava / rose terpenes create a blissful soaring high and my favorite. If you only vaporize these guava/rose terpenes on low temperatures you might find yourself way out there in space. By comparison, frankincense terpenes are stronger, have depth and complexity and are grounding, more earth. Today most all strains are poly hybrids of unknown genetics. If you're looking for a Frankincense Haze, I'd suggest growing several Old Timer's Haze, a SamS haze pheno-type, and SamS Skunk#1 pheno-type. Here is a SamS pheno-type of Haze x Skunk selected for hazy, not as hazy as Punto Rojo.
Hazy pheno-types of Mango Haze have frankincense aromas and look like a Green Coastal Colombian Haze red rider posted on this thread. I'd guess one of the hazes used in Mango Haze was a leafy Green Colombian there is also a dark green leafy pheno-type in Punto Rojo. The dark green leafy pheno is longer flowering in my closet both ~ + 20 weeks.
SamS used a1960's Colombian Gold in Skunk #1. Which is my theory why every so often you get a taste of frankincense in poly hybrid strains containing Haze or Skunk. In my vaporization tests I've found frankincense in Destroyer, 1973 Highland Guerrero x Blueberry and Mango Haze on high temperature. None of these genetics are hazes and all have some stone. High vapors of these will go dense, smokey and burnt on high. Hazes stay clear, clean and light on high temperatures.
I focus on the high and its relationship to the aromas fully cured in the jar. I'm not good on tasting smoke, it all tastes like smoke to me - albeit Haze / sativa smoke. I've never smoked what I smell burning in Colorado.
BTW, I believe Charlie Garcia was the main breeder of Ace's Old Timer's Haze making Ace's selections of strains Old Timer collected long ago. That tells you something about Charlie Garica's recent exploration of Colombian marihuana genetics.
Hope that helps.
Colombian Haze
Hey bigherb, are you looking for the taste and aroma of frankincense or the high associated with frankincense terpenes? As you know even pure haze contain many terpenes. That said the best place to look is in pure genetics.
My best friend in college was a small player in new York city in the late 1960's and early 1970's he loved connoisseur Colombian marihuana. It was noted only by the color, Gold Colombian was gold, Red Colombian was red...hehehe... narrow leaf fairly pure equatorial Colombian genetics are a great place to look. You also have to consider the curing process. Highland Mexican is ready to smoke when the aroma in the jar turns from skunky to temple incense. Temple incense is made with herbs and flowers which is a sweeter aroma frankincense is tree resin.
Here is the ColJam / Colombian Gold I'm smoking now. Its green, orange, silver, purple, from my closet (every color but gold). I'm pretty sure She's the sister of one of the Haze Brothers, but I'm not sure which one...........hehehe aroma of pine, citrus and spice in the jar. Maybe this ColJam would turn Gold in a High mountain semi-desert environment, but not in my closet. Under artifical lights, its easy to blanch or bleach flowers before they turn gold, not enough water, and too much light during harvest and curing often creates bleaching which is not good for preserving trichones. If you let the flowers dry on the plant flowers and trichones turn gold/amber in hazes, another trick that is not good for preserving trichones. Some IcMager's are cob curing which will eventually turn everything dark brown/black.
Do you recall specifically if you smoked haze with these traits or Colombians with these traits ?
I still remember, seedless, connoisseur, individual buds of Colombian that came thru New York City in the late 1960's and early 1970's with the citrus, pine, incense smell in the smoke similar to Frankincense sandal wood tree resin. The high was internal and expansive.
1969 - 1971 Nepalese Temple hash had a sweeter floral aroma that I call Temple Incense, this is the aroma of some meditation sticks of incense, not tree resin.
Thai sativas are usually more spacious and floatly.
Pondorosa pine tree resin in Colorado has an aroma that smells like orange peel. I burn frankincesnse incense so I know that smell of the resin and the smoke. I describe Frankincense as citrus, pine, cedar, spice.
if so which Colombians / which Hazes can you give specifics .Such as Gold Haze Colombian Gold.
I'm smoking ColJam, now which is [(1980 Colombian Gold x 1960's Jamaican) x 1980 Colombian Gold] cured in the jar is smells like frankincense. I only selected and grew one female. I believe this pheno-type was 1980 Colombian Gold dominate. I've posted smoke reports on this ColJam pheno, its one of the 1970 classic Colombian haze highs. The high is clear, clean, cerebral high, it can be intense, - closest I've experienced to pure LSD - 25.
There is a pheno in Punto Rojo that I harvested last week with similar pine, citrus, spice in flower, and similar growth and flowering structure to ColJam. Very wispy, more wispy than the Punto Rojo light green /silver pheno which is very vigorous. Punto Rojo light green / silver pheno-type is sweet tropical fruit often called mango.
Once these various Colombian Haze phenos are fully cured, I'll direct draw vapor on three temperatures. Low, medium, high. The aroma of the vapor is easy for me to detect and different from each temperature setting. Different terpenes vaporize at different temperatures and the different vapors have a different highs. I'm sure I'll find frankincense vapor/smoke in both Punto Rojo and ColJam. I expect the low vapors from the Punto Rojo sweet tropical fruit will be guava/rose on low and then citrus on medium and maybe some pine/spice on high temperature. I'd expect Colombian Haze or Thailand Haze with Mango dominate terpenes to be a euphoric high denser and less soaring than guava/rose terpenes.
Guava / rose terpenes create a blissful soaring high and my favorite. If you only vaporize these guava/rose terpenes on low temperatures you might find yourself way out there in space. By comparison, frankincense terpenes are stronger, have depth and complexity and are grounding, more earth. Today most all strains are poly hybrids of unknown genetics. If you're looking for a Frankincense Haze, I'd suggest growing several Old Timer's Haze, a SamS haze pheno-type, and SamS Skunk#1 pheno-type. Here is a SamS pheno-type of Haze x Skunk selected for hazy, not as hazy as Punto Rojo.
Hazy pheno-types of Mango Haze have frankincense aromas and look like a Green Coastal Colombian Haze red rider posted on this thread. I'd guess one of the hazes used in Mango Haze was a leafy Green Colombian there is also a dark green leafy pheno-type in Punto Rojo. The dark green leafy pheno is longer flowering in my closet both ~ + 20 weeks.
SamS used a1960's Colombian Gold in Skunk #1. Which is my theory why every so often you get a taste of frankincense in poly hybrid strains containing Haze or Skunk. In my vaporization tests I've found frankincense in Destroyer, 1973 Highland Guerrero x Blueberry and Mango Haze on high temperature. None of these genetics are hazes and all have some stone. High vapors of these will go dense, smokey and burnt on high. Hazes stay clear, clean and light on high temperatures.
I focus on the high and its relationship to the aromas fully cured in the jar. I'm not good on tasting smoke, it all tastes like smoke to me - albeit Haze / sativa smoke. I've never smoked what I smell burning in Colorado.
BTW, I believe Charlie Garcia was the main breeder of Ace's Old Timer's Haze making Ace's selections of strains Old Timer collected long ago. That tells you something about Charlie Garica's recent exploration of Colombian marihuana genetics.
Hope that helps.
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Interesting Im curious did these Colombians have a name ?
Recent Post from you below from frankies incense haze thread
Soo I see this post titled colombian Haze and the post quoted referenced colombian Haze . I'm not quite sure what you are specifically referring to as OHaze is a pure colombian Punto rojo . But I'm not familiar with a specific strain Colombian haze
My precise question was which Haze held the Frankincense trait and which Colombian held this trait ? I see you mention Colombian gold . If I recall you said you smoked Haze in NYC in the 70's is this true ? What do you recall of the haze , traits colors taste ?
I take it as you are referring to a Colombian Dom pheno of haze . With the mindset that Haze is a four way hybrid . Pardon the speculation but you keep referring the OHaze is a 3way Colombian , I've also seen you reference phenos on recent grows as a Thai haze .
SamS recently mentioned the percentage of Thai and S.Indian crossed to OHaze is very small . Interestingly no mention at all of mexican . His words exact the crosses were done by R.L little had Thai even less had South Indian
Id love both taste n effects of the frankies
1luvbigherb
Might have been some cured bud rr? ,
i had similar with thai when i was younger ,
the stuff i grew didnt resemble the weed i got it from ,
but thinking later ,, the thai herb had been cured a good while first.
3 - 6 months cure will make a difference in colour , taste and the high on those long ass sativa types ... all for the better in my experience ...
Ah so good to hear from you my friend, my thoughts have been with you the last few days. But absolutely the golden buds were cured just like back in the day. The buds I grew from the seeds was air cured and it really changed. And I have a lot of plant purple here due to the cold nights. However the weather in Bogota lately has been extremely hot and dry so now I have no purple plants in the garden.
Here's a little sampler with the upper left being a hybrid (WLD) upper right is some top self crippy (still sucks) and lower left is some red snake buds next to a nice Mextiza (the best). Little piece in the center is Punto Rojo.
red rider
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Sup brother hope all is well
I only wish I could have smoked a imported Gold of yesteryear but thankfully I've got some Gold genetics .I agree with your above post color taste n effect all change with a good cure
A quote from SamS below
My post #152 from RR colombian lantace Sativa thread , shows a few pics of cured nevilles Haze and hillbilly haze with some gold yellow colors in the calyx . I'm sure not like the old Gold but this is just my experience
RR
Sup brother
Great to see some action in the garden , I'm looking forward to your progress
Best wishes
BTW Im sad too see that the amazing pics in your 2012 thread are gone , what happen n why ?
1luvbigherb
Sup brother hope all is well
I only wish I could have smoked a imported Gold of yesteryear but thankfully I've got some Gold genetics .I agree with your above post color taste n effect all change with a good cure
A quote from SamS below
My post #152 from RR colombian lantace Sativa thread , shows a few pics of cured nevilles Haze and hillbilly haze with some gold yellow colors in the calyx . I'm sure not like the old Gold but this is just my experience
RR
Sup brother
Great to see some action in the garden , I'm looking forward to your progress
Best wishes
BTW Im sad too see that the amazing pics in your 2012 thread are gone , what happen n why ?
1luvbigherb
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LMAO
Greetings,
I have not been posting much lately due to time restrictions, but I had to add my opinions.
This talk of Original Haze being pure Colombian amuses me. I suppose something had to be first being named Haze, but there is no doubt in my mind that the things being named Haze since at least the late 70s had Thai and/or other S.E. Asian genetics in it. I thought I read that Mexican was the first of the genetics being associated with the crosses that make up "Haze".
The only plant that I have ever grown that was like Thai weed was one of 10 or 12 seeds in a batch named Neville's Haze acquired in the late '90s. The only other strain I have smoked that was very much like Thai was Sumatran. I smoked heavy amounts of Colombian when I was young, and before indica came into my world I would have considered Colombian and Thai to be the best examples of diametrically opposed types of high. High quality Mexican would be much closer to the Thai side of highs.
I loved the Colombian I smoked when I was young that looked very much like the Punto Rojo pictures that Red has posted in this and other threads. I thought it was better than Colombian Gold that my contemporaries thought was the best. My point being that I am no detractor to great Colombian weed.
However, in my mind there is no way to confuse Colombian with Thai. I swear, I must have missed some key comment to put the Colombian/Haze discussing in context.
I ordered Destroyer, ColJam, Queen Mother, and King Congo from Cannbiogen, but based on Red's recommendation of Mextiza, I deeply regret that not being available when I ordered.
Loving Red's thread and everyone's posts in it. I don't mean to start any heated arguments about Haze, but I felt compelled to add my two cents.
Peace,
ThaiBliss
Thaibliss
Sup brother always enjoy your post
Amused or confused
There is no question the Original Haze from Santa Cruz was pure colombian .Punto Rojo seeds crossed to them self that's from G's mouth
Something im sure your familiar with is different strains can share similar terpenes . But somthing I was told long ago was not all Sativa is Haze at the time I thought it was a senseless comment . But I now understand the meaning behind it
Soo much Bs is posted you know you can't believe everything you read
Someone who was involved the man we can thank for saving/preserving the genetics . SamS insight on some OHaze genetic History . Thankfully n crazy enough I saved it
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I do not have it, I deleted it by mistake, repost it if you have it.
-SamS
This was your post below I saved it by taking a photo soo I had to re type it . I felt this was some great insight to abit more history of the Original Haze. I believe this was word for word I tried to write it exact
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The very first original Haze was a late 60's three way cross of Colombian Punto Rojo, a green one, and a light magenta one, all different, all from Columbia, several years later I gave Thai and S Indian seeds that were also crossed to Haze, I had seeds of all of them, Original Haze, and Original Haze X Thai from off the stick gold Thai about 76 in Santa Cruz , called Laos at the time.
I spread the seeds around Cali etc and I brought the seeds with me to the Netherlands and used them to select clone parents for my unimproved Haze lines I preserved, I did not do much work to improve Haze I was trying to preserve it. The Thai and S Indiana Kerala X O Haze crosses were made by my neighbor, R.L. the junior O Haze grower that made the O Haze poster, as I did not grow much Haze until the next year. So anyway it is now pretty hard to tell but what most have was pure Colombian, green, purple, lime green, silver, magenta, blueish, I saw all this before Haze had anything besides Colombian in it. A little bit has Thai, and even less has S Indian. I will be testing the DNA of my Haze lines and clones, then we will maybe have answers about what they is and isn't, and maybe where all the best Cannabis in Colombia, Jamaica, Mexico came from? India, Africa? Asia? Time will tell.
I have found that my line is fairly inbred as it was not out-crossed except for the Thai and S Indian one year, and that was just a few plants. Most are just pure Original Haze Colombian, with no WLD Wide Leaf Drug (was called Indica) genes, zero. Because it is inbred if you do if you do outcross it the qualities are improved like vigor and potency. I have done this and seen where 16% THC Mom Skunk 1, X a 10% THC O Haze gives progeny in the 20's for THC%, try it, you will see what I mean.
P.S. I found Purple Haze to be the strongest, but the silver-blue and lime-green ones where the high I preferred, purple Haze was more physical also.
Up, clear, electric, speedy, cerebral, mental, energetic, euphoric, psychedelic, no ceiling, every hit gets you higher every time, the kind of Cannabis that gets people turning white, passing out or falling over when they stand, and getting paranoid. Some of you may prefer the same, I can tell. I have never gotten too high, I have gotten to high to walk, that's what chaise lounge sofas, Lazy-Boys and the floor were invented for. I could still smoke.....
If Yo Sammy sends me a dry leaf of his old NH cuttings that is being kept in South Holland I could test it also and maybe see the NL genes in it? PM me.
-SamS
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more incense and less nonsense
Last edited by Sam_Skunkman; 07-14-2015 at 06:10 AM..
Sup brother always enjoy your post
Amused or confused
There is no question the Original Haze from Santa Cruz was pure colombian .Punto Rojo seeds crossed to them self that's from G's mouth
Something im sure your familiar with is different strains can share similar terpenes . But somthing I was told long ago was not all Sativa is Haze at the time I thought it was a senseless comment . But I now understand the meaning behind it
Soo much Bs is posted you know you can't believe everything you read
Someone who was involved the man we can thank for saving/preserving the genetics . SamS insight on some OHaze genetic History . Thankfully n crazy enough I saved it
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I do not have it, I deleted it by mistake, repost it if you have it.
-SamS
This was your post below I saved it by taking a photo soo I had to re type it . I felt this was some great insight to abit more history of the Original Haze. I believe this was word for word I tried to write it exact
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The very first original Haze was a late 60's three way cross of Colombian Punto Rojo, a green one, and a light magenta one, all different, all from Columbia, several years later I gave Thai and S Indian seeds that were also crossed to Haze, I had seeds of all of them, Original Haze, and Original Haze X Thai from off the stick gold Thai about 76 in Santa Cruz , called Laos at the time.
I spread the seeds around Cali etc and I brought the seeds with me to the Netherlands and used them to select clone parents for my unimproved Haze lines I preserved, I did not do much work to improve Haze I was trying to preserve it. The Thai and S Indiana Kerala X O Haze crosses were made by my neighbor, R.L. the junior O Haze grower that made the O Haze poster, as I did not grow much Haze until the next year. So anyway it is now pretty hard to tell but what most have was pure Colombian, green, purple, lime green, silver, magenta, blueish, I saw all this before Haze had anything besides Colombian in it. A little bit has Thai, and even less has S Indian. I will be testing the DNA of my Haze lines and clones, then we will maybe have answers about what they is and isn't, and maybe where all the best Cannabis in Colombia, Jamaica, Mexico came from? India, Africa? Asia? Time will tell.
I have found that my line is fairly inbred as it was not out-crossed except for the Thai and S Indian one year, and that was just a few plants. Most are just pure Original Haze Colombian, with no WLD Wide Leaf Drug (was called Indica) genes, zero. Because it is inbred if you do if you do outcross it the qualities are improved like vigor and potency. I have done this and seen where 16% THC Mom Skunk 1, X a 10% THC O Haze gives progeny in the 20's for THC%, try it, you will see what I mean.
P.S. I found Purple Haze to be the strongest, but the silver-blue and lime-green ones where the high I preferred, purple Haze was more physical also.
Up, clear, electric, speedy, cerebral, mental, energetic, euphoric, psychedelic, no ceiling, every hit gets you higher every time, the kind of Cannabis that gets people turning white, passing out or falling over when they stand, and getting paranoid. Some of you may prefer the same, I can tell. I have never gotten too high, I have gotten to high to walk, that's what chaise lounge sofas, Lazy-Boys and the floor were invented for. I could still smoke.....
If Yo Sammy sends me a dry leaf of his old NH cuttings that is being kept in South Holland I could test it also and maybe see the NL genes in it? PM me.
-SamS
__________________
in NYC around my way we say if it anint church it anint fire
more incense and less nonsense
Last edited by Sam_Skunkman; 07-14-2015 at 06:10 AM..
Haze
Haze
I can't really say much about Haze because I've only tried it in recent hybrids, but I like it. I'm sure that there were and still are several Punto Rojo's in Colombia that contributed to the Haze I tried.
In the late seventies my buddy and I bought a pound of the best Punto Rojo ever just by chance. It was dark greenish blue with bright red hairs running through it. Slightly compressed but fresh and almost seedless. Not really much smell un burnt but once lit it had a smell and taste like no other. But it was the effect I remember most, strong uplifting and just felt like it was good for you. I loved it and I can remember smoking some with my friends and them thanking me for such a fantastic effect. Then it was gone.
There is a new love in my life now that out shines all my other new found interests and that is the lovely Mextiza. This plant really thrives in my climate and responses exceptionally well to my care. She is a strong hardy girl that grows very fast with minimal effort. Once she is started flowering the buds form and in a few weeks they start pumping out the most beautiful resin. The smell is incredible and addictive having me constantly lingering to smell her. It smells like the very best Mexican from the 70s almost exactly but super intense. If this smell were a perfume no woman would be safe around us. The taste is like the smell, mine didn't get a cure as I almost smoked all of it before it was properly dry so I'm sure it could only improve cured. The effect is like a up happy Mexican but more complex and creative. I can smoke it all day a not experience any negative effects like being tired or sleepy. I think I like it so much because it's so different and familiar at the same time. I hope to keep her around.
red rider
Haze
I can't really say much about Haze because I've only tried it in recent hybrids, but I like it. I'm sure that there were and still are several Punto Rojo's in Colombia that contributed to the Haze I tried.
In the late seventies my buddy and I bought a pound of the best Punto Rojo ever just by chance. It was dark greenish blue with bright red hairs running through it. Slightly compressed but fresh and almost seedless. Not really much smell un burnt but once lit it had a smell and taste like no other. But it was the effect I remember most, strong uplifting and just felt like it was good for you. I loved it and I can remember smoking some with my friends and them thanking me for such a fantastic effect. Then it was gone.
There is a new love in my life now that out shines all my other new found interests and that is the lovely Mextiza. This plant really thrives in my climate and responses exceptionally well to my care. She is a strong hardy girl that grows very fast with minimal effort. Once she is started flowering the buds form and in a few weeks they start pumping out the most beautiful resin. The smell is incredible and addictive having me constantly lingering to smell her. It smells like the very best Mexican from the 70s almost exactly but super intense. If this smell were a perfume no woman would be safe around us. The taste is like the smell, mine didn't get a cure as I almost smoked all of it before it was properly dry so I'm sure it could only improve cured. The effect is like a up happy Mexican but more complex and creative. I can smoke it all day a not experience any negative effects like being tired or sleepy. I think I like it so much because it's so different and familiar at the same time. I hope to keep her around.
red rider
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Mextiza
Mextiza
Yes the Mextiza gets much bigger when vegged longer. I am still learning about supplemental lighting and I put her into flower way too soon. I have a bigger one flowering now and i expect much better yields. I really like the smell so much so that when all I had was crippy I would smoke some then go smell the Mextiza plant. As far as the effect, this is morning weed for me, take a couple hits with my coffee (at 5 AM) and start working. Of course it hits me different after smoking all day but never burns me out. it's happy up effect just makes me feel good, not too much euphoria but smoking a lot gave me giggles like when i eat the crippy but clear.
Mextiza 2
This is another on that is catching my eye as well as my nose. Hashfruit WLD has a very interesting smell it's not like the Mextiza but still enchants me with her aroma of fruity hashish. I haven't tried her yet but am looking forward to it.
Hash Fruit
red rider
Mextiza
Yes the Mextiza gets much bigger when vegged longer. I am still learning about supplemental lighting and I put her into flower way too soon. I have a bigger one flowering now and i expect much better yields. I really like the smell so much so that when all I had was crippy I would smoke some then go smell the Mextiza plant. As far as the effect, this is morning weed for me, take a couple hits with my coffee (at 5 AM) and start working. Of course it hits me different after smoking all day but never burns me out. it's happy up effect just makes me feel good, not too much euphoria but smoking a lot gave me giggles like when i eat the crippy but clear.
Mextiza 2
This is another on that is catching my eye as well as my nose. Hashfruit WLD has a very interesting smell it's not like the Mextiza but still enchants me with her aroma of fruity hashish. I haven't tried her yet but am looking forward to it.
Hash Fruit
red rider
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Okay I'm lighting the fire...........
Okay I'm lighting the fire...........
My use of Haze descripes: 1) extreme NLD 2) grown within 10 degrees of the equator. South Indian and South Thailand are at 15 degrees, Guerrero and Oaxacan regions of Mexico are 18 degrees North Highland Thailand 18 degrees.
extreme NLD - Punto Rojo
I'm placing the frankincense resin on the hot embers. Frankincense resin as it first starts to bubble has a hot ginger aroma that soon evaporates, into a smokey aroma of cedar, orange peel, and spice, this smokey cedar, orange peel and spice. I've burned 6 balls of resin. I smell of frankincense, my house smells of frankincense, I am one with frankincense.
[(1980 Colombian Gold x 1960's Jamaican Lambsbread) x 1980 Colombian Gold]
low temperature vaporization
aroma of vapors - floral, orange not sweet very light vapors clean, trippy, expansive, uplifted heightened awareness. Walking around is wierd, you end up contemplating whether to take the next step or not, Don't expect to get anything done. Okay, I choose "or not" if you can focus this high is great for meditation, of all kinds - inner, outer and so on..........profound awareness!
medium temperature vaporization,
aroma of vapors - sassafras, star anise, the dried roots used to make Root Beer, smokey earth aromas not sweet like root beer soda. adds intensity, and a vibrational energy ~, that's trippy. Way more ceberbral impules than I'm used to. This is smart weed! We're 1/8 gram into this, halfway thru medium temperature, clear, clean, with added cebrebral activity. the mind goes out everywhere very fast, you could get lost out there. needles to say, more mental activity and analysis than you need. Some people might begin to feel uncomfortable, at this point - peeking out the windows and getting paranoid about the funniest things. What was that? Could be the mailman - oh no.........
high temperature vaporization
aromas of frankincense, there it is- frankincense. I need to sit down, okay? Vapors are: clean, orange rind, spice smooth, earthy Sweeter aromas than the root beer aromas. Ysually terpenes get heavier on higher temps..hum..... Stronger denser high, thought provoking, thoughts are more similar to the thoughts you'd have when straight, more grounded energy, and expansive energy. Thank goodness for that!
Lots of enegry flowing around maybe 2 - 3 times normal mental activity, like driving on LSD-25, or today, combing your hair, driving lost, following the GPS screen, and texting your friends. If you haven't guessed by now the high is not relaxing but you can resolve the energy into creative activity.
The initial experience of the frankincense terpenes, and how I remember them from the 1970's is like this. You light the fire, you're drawing in smoke, your eyes are closed, and whoa wait a minute. You're feeling like the universe is now inside your head, and its a big one... The expansive awareness is profound then you remember, pay attention- you're standing up. Your feet feel like they are a long way away. Once you realize both feet are firmly planted on the ground, you go back to visit the universe that's inside your head.
ColJam is my go to jar for traveling around the universe, soul searching, or astral projection. I can't get as far out there as I did at 25 years old, but you do what you can do............hehehe
Okay I'm lighting the fire...........
My use of Haze descripes: 1) extreme NLD 2) grown within 10 degrees of the equator. South Indian and South Thailand are at 15 degrees, Guerrero and Oaxacan regions of Mexico are 18 degrees North Highland Thailand 18 degrees.
extreme NLD - Punto Rojo
I'm placing the frankincense resin on the hot embers. Frankincense resin as it first starts to bubble has a hot ginger aroma that soon evaporates, into a smokey aroma of cedar, orange peel, and spice, this smokey cedar, orange peel and spice. I've burned 6 balls of resin. I smell of frankincense, my house smells of frankincense, I am one with frankincense.
[(1980 Colombian Gold x 1960's Jamaican Lambsbread) x 1980 Colombian Gold]
low temperature vaporization
aroma of vapors - floral, orange not sweet very light vapors clean, trippy, expansive, uplifted heightened awareness. Walking around is wierd, you end up contemplating whether to take the next step or not, Don't expect to get anything done. Okay, I choose "or not" if you can focus this high is great for meditation, of all kinds - inner, outer and so on..........profound awareness!
medium temperature vaporization,
aroma of vapors - sassafras, star anise, the dried roots used to make Root Beer, smokey earth aromas not sweet like root beer soda. adds intensity, and a vibrational energy ~, that's trippy. Way more ceberbral impules than I'm used to. This is smart weed! We're 1/8 gram into this, halfway thru medium temperature, clear, clean, with added cebrebral activity. the mind goes out everywhere very fast, you could get lost out there. needles to say, more mental activity and analysis than you need. Some people might begin to feel uncomfortable, at this point - peeking out the windows and getting paranoid about the funniest things. What was that? Could be the mailman - oh no.........
high temperature vaporization
aromas of frankincense, there it is- frankincense. I need to sit down, okay? Vapors are: clean, orange rind, spice smooth, earthy Sweeter aromas than the root beer aromas. Ysually terpenes get heavier on higher temps..hum..... Stronger denser high, thought provoking, thoughts are more similar to the thoughts you'd have when straight, more grounded energy, and expansive energy. Thank goodness for that!
Lots of enegry flowing around maybe 2 - 3 times normal mental activity, like driving on LSD-25, or today, combing your hair, driving lost, following the GPS screen, and texting your friends. If you haven't guessed by now the high is not relaxing but you can resolve the energy into creative activity.
The initial experience of the frankincense terpenes, and how I remember them from the 1970's is like this. You light the fire, you're drawing in smoke, your eyes are closed, and whoa wait a minute. You're feeling like the universe is now inside your head, and its a big one... The expansive awareness is profound then you remember, pay attention- you're standing up. Your feet feel like they are a long way away. Once you realize both feet are firmly planted on the ground, you go back to visit the universe that's inside your head.
ColJam is my go to jar for traveling around the universe, soul searching, or astral projection. I can't get as far out there as I did at 25 years old, but you do what you can do............hehehe
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