Can’t compare it to hazes but would sure love to get my hands on some of the red bud from the mid 70’s again.
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Vintage Colombian
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If I recall you said you smoked Haze in NYC in the 70's is this true ? What do you recall of the haze , traits colors taste ?
Hey bigherb, my best friend in college was a small player in NYC in the late 1960's. All the marijuana he smoked, mostly Colombian he bought in NYC. I knew him well from 1971 - 1981. I didn't live in NYC. His favorite smoke was Colombian and that's pretty much all he smoked for the 10 years I knew him - Colombian that he bought when he returned to NYC to visit family. He'd stock up. He paid more than anyone I ever knew for marijuana, but the quality was consistently top shelf over that 10 years.
He always had 5 - 6 different types of Colombian. It was the small lot market individual buds, not pressed, seedless $3 - $4 gram, Nepalese Temple hash $5 - $6 gram and mid grade hash was $3 - $5 gram. Thai Sticks were $15 / stick, high quality Red Bud seeded was $45 / ounce. The Colombian was as strong as hash and the high from early 1970 Colombian had a great high. Early 1970's Colombian, all I remember is that it was simply referred to by its color, Red Colombian, Purple Colombian, Black Colombian, Rainbow Colombian, Silver Colombian and so on. Colombian Gold, had a different high, sometimes called Santa Marta Colombian Gold. I remember Colombian Gold having a cleaner high than the darker colored Colombians. Darker brown/black Colombians were the strongest, most intense and my least favorite. I prefer lighter green / gold - Colombian Gold, Highland Oaxacan Gold, and Acapulco Gold. Maui Wowie, another favorite was a bright orange color. Some speculate it may be Hawaiian grown Mexican Red Hair. Finding a few Maui Wowie seeds changed my world.
I don't remember the effect or high of the various colors of Colombian. It was all top shelf! At some point, all good Colombian, not red in color, was called Colombian Gold and all good Mexican was called Acapulco Gold.
My friend had this smoking ritual, where we'd smoke little bits of everything in his stash and in-between hits we'd discuss the meaning of the universe. We'd start with his best Colombians, maybe some Thai, then Mexican, and end the evening with a sampling of Black Nepalese hash charas if i was lucky. He would always be pissed if he found a seed, but me I'd be happy as a lark.
The high from these NYC Colombians was the closest I'd experienced to pure LSD-25.
It was cleaner and more psychedelic than say 1975 Red Bud Colombian. Occasionally, I could find some high grade commercial Red Colombian that my friend would buy an ounce or two. It was of course seeded with shake. By the mid- late 1970's most all commercial Colombian had a strong,dense, stony high. My friends Colombian was intense and expensive for everyday smoke.
By 1975, I started growing seeds from 1974 Maui Wowie which had a euphoric high and the aroma of a pine forest after a spring rain. My brothers best friend had a small plot of Oaxacan every year. The Oaxacan high was cleaner, more euphoric and less intense than Colombian, and especially so compared to mid-grade commercial Colombian.
I hope that helps. My thought is that some Colombian Gold has the Frankincense aromas. Charlie Garcia noted four regions of the Northern Sierra Nevada mountains around Santa Marta that have preserved "old school" Colombian.
Hey bigherb, my best friend in college was a small player in NYC in the late 1960's. All the marijuana he smoked, mostly Colombian he bought in NYC. I knew him well from 1971 - 1981. I didn't live in NYC. His favorite smoke was Colombian and that's pretty much all he smoked for the 10 years I knew him - Colombian that he bought when he returned to NYC to visit family. He'd stock up. He paid more than anyone I ever knew for marijuana, but the quality was consistently top shelf over that 10 years.
He always had 5 - 6 different types of Colombian. It was the small lot market individual buds, not pressed, seedless $3 - $4 gram, Nepalese Temple hash $5 - $6 gram and mid grade hash was $3 - $5 gram. Thai Sticks were $15 / stick, high quality Red Bud seeded was $45 / ounce. The Colombian was as strong as hash and the high from early 1970 Colombian had a great high. Early 1970's Colombian, all I remember is that it was simply referred to by its color, Red Colombian, Purple Colombian, Black Colombian, Rainbow Colombian, Silver Colombian and so on. Colombian Gold, had a different high, sometimes called Santa Marta Colombian Gold. I remember Colombian Gold having a cleaner high than the darker colored Colombians. Darker brown/black Colombians were the strongest, most intense and my least favorite. I prefer lighter green / gold - Colombian Gold, Highland Oaxacan Gold, and Acapulco Gold. Maui Wowie, another favorite was a bright orange color. Some speculate it may be Hawaiian grown Mexican Red Hair. Finding a few Maui Wowie seeds changed my world.
I don't remember the effect or high of the various colors of Colombian. It was all top shelf! At some point, all good Colombian, not red in color, was called Colombian Gold and all good Mexican was called Acapulco Gold.
My friend had this smoking ritual, where we'd smoke little bits of everything in his stash and in-between hits we'd discuss the meaning of the universe. We'd start with his best Colombians, maybe some Thai, then Mexican, and end the evening with a sampling of Black Nepalese hash charas if i was lucky. He would always be pissed if he found a seed, but me I'd be happy as a lark.
The high from these NYC Colombians was the closest I'd experienced to pure LSD-25.
It was cleaner and more psychedelic than say 1975 Red Bud Colombian. Occasionally, I could find some high grade commercial Red Colombian that my friend would buy an ounce or two. It was of course seeded with shake. By the mid- late 1970's most all commercial Colombian had a strong,dense, stony high. My friends Colombian was intense and expensive for everyday smoke.
By 1975, I started growing seeds from 1974 Maui Wowie which had a euphoric high and the aroma of a pine forest after a spring rain. My brothers best friend had a small plot of Oaxacan every year. The Oaxacan high was cleaner, more euphoric and less intense than Colombian, and especially so compared to mid-grade commercial Colombian.
I hope that helps. My thought is that some Colombian Gold has the Frankincense aromas. Charlie Garcia noted four regions of the Northern Sierra Nevada mountains around Santa Marta that have preserved "old school" Colombian.
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Old school
Old school
Hi Satva, sitting here with Charlie now and it is true that there are Indians in the Santa Marta that still grow the old strains as well as the crippy.
I grew up between Texas and South Florida during the Colombian weed era. I didn't even know what Colombian was until I guess about 76-77. I wasn't lucky enough to have very solid connections so most of what I saw during those years was simply called Colombian or lumbo. I always assumed the best Colombians went up north and what I saw was just the bulk Colombian imports. However some times on rare occasions I would get some top self Colombian. Of course the most common was gold not necessarily SMG just Colombian gold, redbud, rainbow and a few times the extra special Punto Rojo. The gold was good but not near as potent as the redbud, wacky weed or Punto Rojo. 90% of the Colombian I smoked was commercial (mersh) and up until the early 80s was really good (compared to the Mexican) then it got very seedy and a dull lethargic effect. Then it was gone.
red rider
Old school
Hi Satva, sitting here with Charlie now and it is true that there are Indians in the Santa Marta that still grow the old strains as well as the crippy.
I grew up between Texas and South Florida during the Colombian weed era. I didn't even know what Colombian was until I guess about 76-77. I wasn't lucky enough to have very solid connections so most of what I saw during those years was simply called Colombian or lumbo. I always assumed the best Colombians went up north and what I saw was just the bulk Colombian imports. However some times on rare occasions I would get some top self Colombian. Of course the most common was gold not necessarily SMG just Colombian gold, redbud, rainbow and a few times the extra special Punto Rojo. The gold was good but not near as potent as the redbud, wacky weed or Punto Rojo. 90% of the Colombian I smoked was commercial (mersh) and up until the early 80s was really good (compared to the Mexican) then it got very seedy and a dull lethargic effect. Then it was gone.
red rider
Man what great memories. All who smoked the great Colombians were very lucky. I remember feeling I was in the good graces of the universe as my circle of friends in the Midwest had all those great Colombians, Jamaican ganja, and Thai Stick while so many others were smoking bad Mexican or bad Colombian.
For me, Colombian Red was the last hurrah from Colombia. It was very powerful, but not as clean and clear as Punto Rojo. I smuggled a couple of pounds of it as I left to college in California in the late 70s. To my surprise and delight, California had great weed everywhere back then. I continued to get Thai Stick, and most surprising of all, homegrown that was world class. It was almost as good as Thai Stick.
Sadly, just as I had witnessed the collapse of commonly available high end Mexican, the collapse of high end Colombian, and the collapse of high end Jamaican, the complete disappearance of Thai, I also witnessed the collapse of high grade Californian homegrown. I still occasionally stumble high grade weed from local Oregon growers and from California. This and threads like Red's Riders, The Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread, breeders like Gypsy Nirvana, Cannabiogen, Ace, and SnowHigh all give me hope that occasional genetic gems will be found and spread around, even though the prevailing interest is in knock you down to the couch and sleep weed.
Thanks Red for keeping the faith,
ThaiBliss
For me, Colombian Red was the last hurrah from Colombia. It was very powerful, but not as clean and clear as Punto Rojo. I smuggled a couple of pounds of it as I left to college in California in the late 70s. To my surprise and delight, California had great weed everywhere back then. I continued to get Thai Stick, and most surprising of all, homegrown that was world class. It was almost as good as Thai Stick.
Sadly, just as I had witnessed the collapse of commonly available high end Mexican, the collapse of high end Colombian, and the collapse of high end Jamaican, the complete disappearance of Thai, I also witnessed the collapse of high grade Californian homegrown. I still occasionally stumble high grade weed from local Oregon growers and from California. This and threads like Red's Riders, The Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread, breeders like Gypsy Nirvana, Cannabiogen, Ace, and SnowHigh all give me hope that occasional genetic gems will be found and spread around, even though the prevailing interest is in knock you down to the couch and sleep weed.
Thanks Red for keeping the faith,
ThaiBliss
Hey redrider, enjoy your time together! When two kind souls come together, good things happen!
Beware of the Money Gods, they're raining (reigning) down everywhere in Colorado's booming marijuana industry.
PS> Your affectionate connection to Mextiza made me think of one of DJ Short theories, called "The Great Pumpkin" or "Ganja Goddess" effect.
excerpt quoted from DJ Short's book.
Ganja Goddess
"One of the things I learned a long time ago was that something more than genetics or biological environment plays a role in the desirability of herb. During the 70's and 80's, as the number of growers proliferated, it became apparent to those privy to the info that a grower's personal vibe somehow became part of the plant's vibe.
Generally speaking, mellow, laid-back growers tended to produce mellow, laid-back herb, whereas uptight, sinister growers tended to produce uptight, sinister herb. Perhaps it was just the vibe of the grower following the product to market expressing itself along the chain of trade, I am not certain, nor do I believe any form of scientific observation will ever confirm such a debate. It has simply been one of those givens in the trade. In that regard, I have further noticed that much of the finest domestic herb I've encountered was grown by women.
I used to call it the "Great Pumpkin" effect, but perhaps it is better termed the "Ganja Goddess" effect. The most sincere herbal patches being visited upon by the subtle and ethereal spirits of benevolence."
Beware of the Money Gods, they're raining (reigning) down everywhere in Colorado's booming marijuana industry.
PS> Your affectionate connection to Mextiza made me think of one of DJ Short theories, called "The Great Pumpkin" or "Ganja Goddess" effect.
excerpt quoted from DJ Short's book.
Ganja Goddess
"One of the things I learned a long time ago was that something more than genetics or biological environment plays a role in the desirability of herb. During the 70's and 80's, as the number of growers proliferated, it became apparent to those privy to the info that a grower's personal vibe somehow became part of the plant's vibe.
Generally speaking, mellow, laid-back growers tended to produce mellow, laid-back herb, whereas uptight, sinister growers tended to produce uptight, sinister herb. Perhaps it was just the vibe of the grower following the product to market expressing itself along the chain of trade, I am not certain, nor do I believe any form of scientific observation will ever confirm such a debate. It has simply been one of those givens in the trade. In that regard, I have further noticed that much of the finest domestic herb I've encountered was grown by women.
I used to call it the "Great Pumpkin" effect, but perhaps it is better termed the "Ganja Goddess" effect. The most sincere herbal patches being visited upon by the subtle and ethereal spirits of benevolence."
village green
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Thai Bliss methinks you are too modest. Your thread is also of very high quality.
I recall you said there was no one that knew what mangobiche Colombian was? I saw a video of Arjan over in Colombia and he was after it and got it. Any more news there on the mangobiche?
I do not recall anything on mangobiche during the 70's, was all red or gold or green for me. I did not have good connects then or money. I have CBG mangobiche seeds coming soon, we will see what it does.
I do not recall anything on mangobiche during the 70's, was all red or gold or green for me. I did not have good connects then or money. I have CBG mangobiche seeds coming soon, we will see what it does.
I saw the same video. he calls Mango Biche the same as limon verde.
First of all: if you google limon verde you'll find it's a Mexican strain.
Second: as far as I know mango and lime have a very different aroma.
Yes up until 2011 I had never heard of mangobiche either in the USA or in Bogota. However now I know many more enthusiasts from other parts of Colombia and found the mangobiche. I'm current growing CBG version and although she is a long way from finishing I trimmed some lower flowers and dried them for a taste. Under developed and not cured the flowers burn with a sweet mango (green) flavor that is nice but she has a way to go on the potency when smoking. Then last night a buddy came over with a vaporizer and the taste was much more pronounced and I got high, not blown away high but really nice effect. So now I wait till the end of may to cut her (maybe) and then cure it to see her full potential. Also going to get a vaporizer.
And Thaibliss thread is one of the absolute best ever!
red rider
And Thaibliss thread is one of the absolute best ever!
red rider
if I remember correctly he was also impressed with the branching pattern on his large plants where they split into main branches that were like large plants themselves with many sub branches full of large flowers. For him it seemed like a very large yielder as well.
Well I can't really judge this little Mangobiche plant (much less compare it to the trees Bushweed grows). She was put into flower early and got over fed a bit and I only tasted the very lower wispy flowers (not even dried). Like I said trying to burn it really didn't taste like much and no effect. But in the vaporizer it had a really nice, you could say green mango taste and a noticeable high. Due to the lack of rain Bogota has been extremely hot and dry and it's taking some time to get dialed into the new climate. I have another Mangobiche (clone) that I think will do much better. Of course I hate to speculate.
red rider
red rider
The bush
The bush
Went out about 60 miles north west of Bogota to check out the area for fincas. Here's a few random pictures. This is the land of NLD no doubt.
Where heaven meets the earth
Finca 1
More to come.
red rider
The bush
Went out about 60 miles north west of Bogota to check out the area for fincas. Here's a few random pictures. This is the land of NLD no doubt.
Where heaven meets the earth
Finca 1
More to come.
red rider
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