Vintage Colombian

[vermontman]

You are exactly correct Chunkypigs about clones and I understand their value but I just don’t have the balls to attempt to smuggle any back but if I could I’m sure I would have a slant here. Your pictures are making me drool no doubt. And thank you for the suggestion.

Last Sunday I once again lost the never ending battle with my ego and succumbed to anger when my wife said I was a patristic drug addict. Even though I’d really stopped consuming days before I took all my saved weed about ½ oz of different samples and a few vials of oil and all my smoking devices and related objects and threw them in the trash. Just to show her what an addict I am, but I didn’t touch my window sill plants or my modest seed collection. The wife was shocked as she honestly believed I was a hopeless addict and couldn’t stop. Now she has softened and I more than proved my point as I also secured new paying students. I told her I wasn’t quitting the cannabis only proving that it’s not additive and I can start and stop at will.

Yesterday when I found that Colombian seed facebook page my heart fell right on the floor as I watched my dream disappear. I realized many realities that I didn’t even think of before. What really hit me was the fact that my dream of a peaceful farm growing the old long flowering sativa was pointless to anyone other than me, that no one is interested in them. It all made sense to me, my delusion that the “regs” (Punto Rojo, gold, reds, Corinto and blacks) compared to kush is weak and ugly. I’m living in the past, people want the super potent pretty weed and mine was next to garbage. This new understanding made me sick to my stomach and even my cannabis hating wife showed sympathy. The fact is even the best Punto Rojo wasn’t really medical and couldn’t even be given away here. I was covered in a wet blanket of depression and my clear head was intensifying this sensation.

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However since then I shook off the blanket of despair (without the aid of cannabis or anything) and decided to press on with my dream regardless. I’m going to grow what I want, how I want just for me. If they have no interest so be it, I know what’s right for me. My interests remain high altitude long flowering tropical NLD done the old school way. I’m not looking for super high THC %s fast flowering times and fat pretty buds. So I’ll go today and see the Colombian grow shop and talk with the boys down there and see what the deal is. If nothing else I’ll find out how to get some of my seed out to be tested by those how do care. Confidence is high. Update coming.

Again my friends thank you from the bottom of my heart for your interest and understanding the rider.

red rider

Dear Sir If I may, There are so many that would kill for your Very Unique VERY special Strains. There is a reason Why the dusch bag strain hunters go half way around the world to get what treasure you have! And drop there engineered polluted genetic shit in there wake! I feel you could engineer your own strains Buy mixing with other great sativas for market, AND ALWAYS KEEP YOUR PURE LINE TREASURES. DONT BE BUMBED YOU HAVE MORE SUPPORT THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE.FIRST PIC PUTO ROJO SECOND SKULL PURE OAXACAN GOLD FROM !(&(PUNTA ROJO 022.jpgSKULL PURPLE CLONE 028.jpg

 

[red rider]

Dreams

Dreams

Sorry for the delay, I've been a little preoccupied. I have no strains, but what I do have is a passion for Colombia!

Colombia is passion!

red rider

 

[vermontman]

You are exactly correct Chunkypigs about clones and I understand their value but I just don’t have the balls to attempt to smuggle any back but if I could I’m sure I would have a slant here. Your pictures are making me drool no doubt. And thank you for the suggestion.

Last Sunday I once again lost the never ending battle with my ego and succumbed to anger when my wife said I was a patristic drug addict. Even though I’d really stopped consuming days before I took all my saved weed about ½ oz of different samples and a few vials of oil and all my smoking devices and related objects and threw them in the trash. Just to show her what an addict I am, but I didn’t touch my window sill plants or my modest seed collection. The wife was shocked as she honestly believed I was a hopeless addict and couldn’t stop. Now she has softened and I more than proved my point as I also secured new paying students. I told her I wasn’t quitting the cannabis only proving that it’s not additive and I can start and stop at will.

Yesterday when I found that Colombian seed facebook page my heart fell right on the floor as I watched my dream disappear. I realized many realities that I didn’t even think of before. What really hit me was the fact that my dream of a peaceful farm growing the old long flowering sativa was pointless to anyone other than me, that no one is interested in them. It all made sense to me, my delusion that the “regs” (Punto Rojo, gold, reds, Corinto and blacks) compared to kush is weak and ugly. I’m living in the past, people want the super potent pretty weed and mine was next to garbage. This new understanding made me sick to my stomach and even my cannabis hating wife showed sympathy. The fact is even the best Punto Rojo wasn’t really medical and couldn’t even be given away here. I was covered in a wet blanket of depression and my clear head was intensifying this sensation.

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However since then I shook off the blanket of despair (without the aid of cannabis or anything) and decided to press on with my dream regardless. I’m going to grow what I want, how I want just for me. If they have no interest so be it, I know what’s right for me. My interests remain high altitude long flowering tropical NLD done the old school way. I’m not looking for super high THC %s fast flowering times and fat pretty buds. So I’ll go today and see the Colombian grow shop and talk with the boys down there and see what the deal is. If nothing else I’ll find out how to get some of my seed out to be tested by those how do care. Confidence is high. Update coming.

Again my friends thank you from the bottom of my heart for your interest and understanding the rider.

red rider

Hey My friend that's what they said about the ugly duckling that grew into a beautiful Swan

 

[vermontman]

Sorry for the delay, I've been a little preoccupied. I have no strains, but what I do have is a passion for Colombia!

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Colombia is passion!

Dear RED RIDER
I find your passion inspirational and with all you posted value your knowledge you have acquired. This first bud was from seed, labeled Punto Rojo From a very reliable source. There was no purple in her. The following are F1 seed made from her and male from same seed batch all were uniform and very purple. The smell on ripening plants was carrot balsam sweet almost fruity. I was wondering if you might narrow down point of origin. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
red rider

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[4 Dragons]

ThaiBliss, I always enjoy your posts and it is a great honor to learn from you. When I talk about Colombian, I think every serious cannabis connoisseur remembers how good it was, but alas it just shows my age because there’s so many enthusiast that never saw it. These fine young folks don’t know the smells, colors, tastes and effects of this once common exotic import. It is difficult for me to describe the plant and how good it is to those who have never had it. Colombian has a distinct taste and smell that’s not skunky, fruity, hashy (indica) or sour. Its effects are energetic and calming at the same time but most importantly to me is good Colombian (red, gold, green or black) satisfies my cannabis desire meaning I don’t have to re-up every couple hours.
Punto Rojo is my favorite strain of Colombian, to me it is the perfect cannabis, motivating and relaxing any time. It’s good for socializing or solo introspective exploration. You will be very happy with this plant in your life.

Well said, I agree with everything you said! I don't think I have had any Punto Rojo since maybe 1976 or somewhere in that time frame.

Of all the strains I have, a really excellent representation of Punto Rojo has continued to elude me! Someday though

 

[4 Dragons]

Dear Sir If I may, There are so many that would kill for your Very Unique VERY special Strains. There is a reason Why the dusch bag strain hunters go half way around the world to get what treasure you have! And drop there engineered polluted genetic shit in there wake! I feel you could engineer your own strains Buy mixing with other great sativas for market, AND ALWAYS KEEP YOUR PURE LINE TREASURES. DONT BE BUMBED YOU HAVE MORE SUPPORT THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE.FIRST PIC PUTO ROJO SECOND SKULL PURE OAXACAN GOLD FROM !(&(PUNTA ROJO 022.jpgSKULL PURPLE CLONE 028.jpg

I agree with vermontman. There are plenty of people that would love to have strains like that, me included!

vermontman~ Purple Skull looks amazingly good!

 

[Burnin_Church]

Dear Sir If I may, There are so many that would kill for your Very Unique VERY special Strains. There is a reason Why the dusch bag strain hunters go half way around the world to get what treasure you have! And drop there engineered polluted genetic shit in there wake! I feel you could engineer your own strains Buy mixing with other great sativas for market, AND ALWAYS KEEP YOUR PURE LINE TREASURES. DONT BE BUMBED YOU HAVE MORE SUPPORT THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE.FIRST PIC PUTO ROJO SECOND SKULL PURE OAXACAN GOLD FROM !(&(PUNTA ROJO 022.jpgSKULL PURPLE CLONE 028.jpg

That Oaxaca is some nice herb

 

[red rider]

Now

Now

I would like to thank everyone for your interest in me and the Colombians I love so much. The fact is that I am no breeder or expert grower, I am just a simple lover of the plant. Most of the seeds I've collected here are pretty old now and although interesting I simply don't have time for them now. And I have my very good friend Charlie Garcia who is helping me with my garden and he might work with them in the future. Right now i am lucky to be growing some of CBG's Punto Rojo, Mangobiche, Smg and a few others. But these plants are just for smoke although my ultimate goal is still a canna finca for international guests that would enjoy first hand the classic Colombians in their native habitat. I am still very much working towards that goal although it's much more complicated than I anticipated. Very good things are happening here in Colombia and I am very much a part of it. But I leave the breeding to the breeders and I just enjoy the smoke.

Colombian grown Hash Fruit

The best is yet to come!

red rider

 

[vermontman]

PUNTO ROJO?

PUNTO ROJO?

I would like to thank everyone for your interest in me and the Colombians I love so much. The fact is that I am no breeder or expert grower, I am just a simple lover of the plant. Most of the seeds I've collected here are pretty old now and although interesting I simply don't have time for them now. And I have my very good friend Charlie Garcia who is helping me with my garden and he might work with them in the future. Right now i am lucky to be growing some of CBG's Punto Rojo, Mangobiche, Smg and a few others. But these plants are just for smoke although my ultimate goal is still a canna finca for international guests that would enjoy first hand the classic Colombians in their native habitat. I am still very much working towards that goal although it's much more complicated than I anticipated. Very good things are happening here in Colombia and I am very much a part of it. But I leave the breeding to the breeders and I just enjoy the smoke.

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Colombian grown Hash Fruit

The best is yet to come!

red rider

Hello Red Rider
I was really hoping you could comment on my post and pics above, on Punto Rojo. I would value your read.
Thank you.

 

[vermontman]

That Oaxaca is some nice herb

Well thank you and 4 Dragons.
That is Oaxacan Gold strain I have been carrying since 1979. Oh to be 18 again, Anyway wasn't meant to get off Columbian topic, just to illustrate the value of pure strains. I would put this strain up against any modern med strain any day .

 

[red rider]

Punto Rojo

Punto Rojo

Hello Red Rider
I was really hoping you could comment on my post and pics above, on Punto Rojo. I would value your read.
Thank you.

Hi, so sorry my friend but I don't have any information about the Punto Rojo in flower. All my Punto Rojo are just in pre flower and they have no smell now. Here it takes the highland variety 6 to 9 months to mature from seed and sometimes can go longer. then another 6 month cure and the Punto Rojo with fully express herself.
Punto Rojo and many other NLD Colombian dispel the common notion that sativa is up and racy while indica is down and couchlock. Consume enough Punto Rojo and you will be glued to the couch. I will post a report on not only the Punto Rojo but also SMG and some very delightful Mangobiche and soon as they are perfectly ready and not a moment sooner. Thank you so much for your interest and stay tuned because the best you can imagine is coming.

Colombian highland NLD @ 90 days

red rider

I hear I forget
I see I remember
I do I understand

 

[satva]

Punto Rojo , the blissfule one!

Punto Rojo , the blissfule one!

Hey redrider, loving your Punto Rojo indoor and natural. I'm interested in any thoughts, on the Punto Rojo phenos from Cannabiogen's Punto Rojo. I found a Maroon pheno, a light green / gold pheno, and dark green pheno and some IcMager's are getting a purple pheno. This light green gold pheno is my favorite high.

Colombian Haze - Light green sweet tropical fruit aroma in flower.
Longest flowering and most wispy flowers. Growth structure went asymmetrical in early vegetation. South America haze branching structure is often has symmetrical branching and Thailand haze branching structure is asymetrical.

Spiritual High is felt in the Crown charka top of the head awareness. Trippy sense of space and awareness. This one is blissful, peaceful, nice soft energy flow, clean, clear very expansive. High is centered and focused enough for meditation. No negatives in the high or after high.

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The high from Punto Rojo -1 grown from clone is exquisite. One of the classic early 1970's Colombian Haze highs: psychedelic, euphoric, pleasurable, feel good high.

Its not properly cured so its smoking harsh, and the terpenes will continue to develop and mature for another +3 months. Probably needs + 5 months of cure, only about 2 months so far.

The high is uplifting and felt in the crown chakra / top of the head. Its a mellow high, but things are moving around with blissful waves of sensation. Very very pleasurable and fun loving high.

 

[vermontman]

Hi, so sorry my friend but I don't have any information about the Punto Rojo in flower. All my Punto Rojo are just in pre flower and they have no smell now. Here it takes the highland variety 6 to 9 months to mature from seed and sometimes can go longer. then another 6 month cure and the Punto Rojo with fully express herself.
Punto Rojo and many other NLD Colombian dispel the common notion that sativa is up and racy while indica is down and couchlock. Consume enough Punto Rojo and you will be glued to the couch. I will post a report on not only the Punto Rojo but also SMG and some very delightful Mangobiche and soon as they are perfectly ready and not a moment sooner. Thank you so much for your interest and stay tuned because the best you can imagine is coming.

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Colombian highland NLD @ 90 days

red rider

I hear I forget
I see I remember
I do I understand

Hey Buddy
thank you for your response if it helps you at all I was able to shave a full month off flower time on Punta Rojo by keeping very pot bound, only one week veg and 10.5 hours of intense sun a day, with no slight of yield and good bud formation. Look forward to your progression

 

[Donald Mallard]

Sorry for the delay, I've been a little preoccupied. I have no strains, but what I do have is a passion for Colombia!

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red rider

hey rr ,
some of those plants look to be rats tailing ,
reverting to vegetative growth after starting to flower ,
must be the hours are increasing ??

those types prefer decreasing hours , more sativa i guess ,
we see the same here where i live if we plant those types in early spring ,, some bud , but then reveg ..

 

[bombadil.360]

hello red!

long time since the last time I posted here, but I still lurk a couple times a week.

When I took a look at your present day garden I felt super happy for you! I can imagine how good you feel each time you walk out into your garden outdoor in the Andes to give them plants a little loving

I'd like to comment on a few things:

Mango Biche: first of all, this name was given to certain colombians because of its Green Mango smell and Green looks, since Biche means Green in Muisca if my memory does not fail me... Also, this name is used in Colombia for a very traditional thing to eat, which is Green Manga (not mango, manga, the bigger one) with salt. It is also very popular in Venezuela, specially when people are drinking and cooking on the grill outside finca style. the green manga is sliced and peeled, and then the slices can be dipped in a little salt, it is quite delicious.

I've heard rumors that Mango Biche and Corinto are the same; I don't know if this is true though...

Donald!!!! hello man you are correct, at this time at red's latitude light hours are increasing super very slowly until the summer solstice. The difference between day-light hours in winter solstice and summer solstice should be less than 1 hour in Bogota.

you can get around this issue by only allowing the plants 10 hours of daylight only. It can be a pain in the ass to accomplish this if you have to move a lot of potted plants from outside to inside and inside to outside everyday for a few months.

red, you are closer than before to the dream finca man, you are now growing legally outside in Colombia!!!!!!!!! whatever little problems that arise, are nothing in comparison to what was happening in the illegal days.

I'd love to plant some of those Colombians by cbg outside in Israel, but alas, this is not Colombia...

peace!

 

[red rider]

hey rr ,
some of those plants look to be rats tailing ,
reverting to vegetative growth after starting to flower ,
must be the hours are increasing ??

those types prefer decreasing hours , more sativa i guess ,
we see the same here where i live if we plant those types in early spring ,, some bud , but then reveg ..

Hello my friend, the funky plant in the pic is a Mangobiche and she is due to finish the end of May so I hope she fills in by then. That's the only plant out there that is stretching like that and they all only get natural sunlight. I thought it might have been some outside light causing the stretch but none of the other plants are doing that. Will have to see how things develop.

red rider

 

[CosmicCharlie]

^maybe look into putting something over it for an hour or two before it gets dark to keep the dark/light cycle where it needs to be for proper flower production.

 

[red rider]

Spring 1982
The spring of 1982 I had just returned to Dallas Texas after my 3 year tour of Germany via the US Army. I started working nightshift at a huge commercial printing company in Dallas. It was hard shift work 12 on 12 off 7 days a week. I was just a press helper and had the shittiest jobs on the pressroom floor but it was easy work after my three years in the Army. Everybody I worked with was a drunk and when the work slowed down enough for us to take a day off we (6 of us plus girlfriends) took off for the beach at Galveston. It was an all-night drive from Dallas to Galveston and without a second thought I jumped into the back of an open pick up truck with my girlfriend. It was a beautiful starlite Texas night as we started heading south to the beach. My girlfriend at the time (soon to be ex-wife #1) was a party girl, she was not only beautiful and sexy but also a beer drinking pot head (like me). We had all just been paid so we drank and smoked all night till we arrived in Galveston as the sun was coming up. Feeling burnt out from the trip down we stopped in a Denny’s where we ate like horses. I was feeling tired so my thoughtful girlfriend procured a couple lines of crank which got things going again. Before heading over to the island we bought tons of beer and whisky and some food. It must have been spring break because the island was full of people. Just a mass of young oiled bodies as we finally found a place to park. It was like a huge party with little groups of tents and people just getting really intoxicated. We set up our tent and started to join in the merriment. I was out in the surf with my girlfriend Renee when I smelled it, lumbo. I hadn’t smelled it for years and it was as distinct as a calling card from the past. The beautiful smell was everywhere but I couldn’t tell where it was originating from. Renee was drunk and acting silly but I had to find that smell and that fine Colombian weed I missed so much. My little group bought a QP of some of the new sinsemilla that was exciting but that Colombian smell had me jonesing for a taste. We walked around but the smell had disappeared and I got distracted by other things until that night. As the sun went down the party heated up, bond fires everywhere and a sense of love and good intentions from all, it was a super cool atmosphere. Of course Renee was an expert at discreet frequent public sex and during one encounter I smelled it again. It had to be the finest Colombian gold with it’s sweet spicy scent drifting through the night air. Renee smelled it too and pointed to a guy holding a joint. I introduced myself and just asked dude if he had more weed. Then I took a hit off his joint and oh my god it was good. Dude was all fucked up and only had the one joint but told me there was a red tent and dude had plenty for sale. We spent a good two hours looking in red tents on the beach before finding it. The guy with the Colombian was young like our age with long blond hair and a prema tan. He and his old lady were living on the beach and he had the best weed connections. I bought an ounce for $65 and stayed to smoke with them for a bit then returned to our group with my new bag. It was beautiful golden buds with a few seeds but it was fresh and only lightly compressed. We stayed up all night smoking on that bag and listening to ZZ Top. I really had a great time and even though I somehow lost a couple hundred dollars and most of my stuff. That was the last time I would see that caliber of golden Colombian although at the time I couldn’t imagine weed that fine ever disappearing.


red rider

 

[Sforza]

Fall 1976

After flying into Barranquilla, my buddy and I found a cheap hotel near the bus station, dropped our bags and hid our passports in the room, then bought a little weed from a street dealer and some pills from a Farmacia. The dealer led us to a bar/dance-hall/whorehouse, where we partied until the wee hours of the morning. The next morning we got on a bus to Santa Marta. We had not smoked all the weed we bought the night before so we fired up a little spliff in the back of the bus. It was not that crowded and no one objected, although we did get some looks. Before we got to Santa Marat, on the other side of the mountain, we got off the bus in Rodadero, which was the tourist trap beach community. We got an inexpensive, but nice hotel room, in a nice newer modern multi-story hotel. We were not in town for more than an hour before a young guy asked us if we wanted to buy some weed. Of course we did, but since it was our first trip to Colombia, we didn't know if we should say yes or not. The street dealer in Barranquilla had only sold us a large walnut sized wad of brownish green weed tightly packed into a small sheet of brown paper and had only asked a very little money for it. The guy in Rodadero wanted more money, but was promising more and better weed. Since we did want weed, we said OK, bring it to us. For a few bucks, I forget the amount now, but even for 1976 and even for guys who did not have a lot of money, it was a tiny amount of money for good weed. But sure enough, once we paid for it and got the bag up into our room and checked it out carefully, it was big pile of some beautiful yellow Santa Marta Gold buds. It looked great, it smelled great, and it smoked great. I fell in love with Colombia at that very moment.

How in the hell do they get that weed to be so yellow? Do they just let the whole plant dry in the sun before they harvest it and let the sun bleach it? If so, how do they manage to keep the smell and flavor intact? I know that in the hills right around Santa Marta there is very little rain and there is not much besides cactus growing on the hillsides.

I thought I read in one of your posts that the Indians of Santa Marta are still growing Santa Marta Gold? You could probably head down there and pick up some SMG. The stuff we bought back in 1976 had plenty of seeds in it.

They must not have had an interstate road back in 1982 between Galveston and Dallas, because these days, I can get back and forth between the two cities in about 8 hours, about four hours per leg, depending on when I leave so as to avoid the heavy Houston traffic. For work I have got up real early, drove to the Dallas/Fort Worth area, did a little work, had lunch, then drove back to the Galveston area in time to have dinner with the family.

 

[red rider]

Fall 1976

After flying into Barranquilla, my buddy and I found a cheap hotel near the bus station, dropped our bags and hid our passports in the room, then bought a little weed from a street dealer and some pills from a Farmacia. The dealer led us to a bar/dance-hall/whorehouse, where we partied until the wee hours of the morning. The next morning we got on a bus to Santa Marta. We had not smoked all the weed we bought the night before so we fired up a little spliff in the back of the bus. It was not that crowded and no one objected, although we did get some looks. Before we got to Santa Marat, on the other side of the mountain, we got off the bus in Rodadero, which was the tourist trap beach community. We got an inexpensive, but nice hotel room, in a nice newer modern multi-story hotel. We were not in town for more than an hour before a young guy asked us if we wanted to buy some weed. Of course we did, but since it was our first trip to Colombia, we didn't know if we should say yes or not. The street dealer in Barranquilla had only sold us a large walnut sized wad of brownish green weed tightly packed into a small sheet of brown paper and had only asked a very little money for it. The guy in Rodadero wanted more money, but was promising more and better weed. Since we did want weed, we said OK, bring it to us. For a few bucks, I forget the amount now, but even for 1976 and even for guys who did not have a lot of money, it was a tiny amount of money for good weed. But sure enough, once we paid for it and got the bag up into our room and checked it out carefully, it was big pile of some beautiful yellow Santa Marta Gold buds. It looked great, it smelled great, and it smoked great. I fell in love with Colombia at that very moment.

How in the hell do they get that weed to be so yellow? Do they just let the whole plant dry in the sun before they harvest it and let the sun bleach it? If so, how do they manage to keep the smell and flavor intact? I know that in the hills right around Santa Marta there is very little rain and there is not much besides cactus growing on the hillsides.

I thought I read in one of your posts that the Indians of Santa Marta are still growing Santa Marta Gold? You could probably head down there and pick up some SMG. The stuff we bought back in 1976 had plenty of seeds in it.

They must not have had an interstate road back in 1982 between Galveston and Dallas, because these days, I can get back and forth between the two cities in about 8 hours, about four hours per leg, depending on when I leave so as to avoid the heavy Houston traffic. For work I have got up real early, drove to the Dallas/Fort Worth area, did a little work, had lunch, then drove back to the Galveston area in time to have dinner with the family.

Great story man, I bet it was really wild in Colombia back then. Yes I talked to a guy at the cannabis cup (Bogota) this year who said they still grow native strains in the Santa Marta and you can still buy it on the coast as well as other classics. Where I live in Bogota it is all crippy or homegrown name brand strains, there is just no market for seeded weed at all in this city. But I really think there is so much outside of Bogota I can't imagine not finding the old strains. And I think it does have something to do with the altitude and the desert like dryness of certain parts of the Santa Marta coastal mountains that makes the buds so yellow gold.

So sorry I forgot to mention I worked the night shift at a huge commercial print shop in Dallas Texas back in 82 and when I started they were very busy and we worked from 6PM till 6AM 7 days a week. But before we took the trip to Galveston we went back to a normal night shift of 4PM to 12 AM. We left Dallas I guess around 1AM and got to the beach right as the sun was coming up. And even though I wasn't driving or paying attention in the back of the truck power drinking lone stars and mescal with a bunch of red neck drunks I'm pretty sure we took an interstate down there. it was really a great experience.

red rider