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Vertical Systems

Mr.Jones

Mr.Jones

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whodi said:
You can grow lots of small clones in a vertical setup or you can grow 5-9ft trees. Withs vertical SOG you jsut put plants all around the bulb on all sides. When growing trees, you just hang a light on each side of the plant.. setting it up where each plant gets 3-4 sides of light instead of just 1 from a horizontal grow.

With proper strain, growing skills/method you will be able to get 2-3+ pounds per plant. THe key is to have a veg room as well.. vegging for 8 weeks while the others flower for 8 weeks. No trimmnig needed, nor topping, let it grow straight up and it will naturally branch a lot.

Vertical works and it's the shit but you have to know how to setup for it to work efficiently. You don't use any cooltubes or anything. Just put those circular fans under each bulb and that will blow the heat away from the bulb/plants.. then you can get 5-6 12 inch inline fans sucknig the heat out of the grow room or install an AC. Heat disperses a lot better because it's gonig upwards to the ceiling, since you dont use reflectors.

You would also use 400 watt eye blue MH bulbs in veg on each sides of the plants.You obviously wouldn't run a bunch of veg lights but you need to make it where the plants have light on at least 2 sides at all times. You'd need about 4,000 veg watts for this setup. Same thing applies.. circular fans under bulb blowing heat away.. and a couple of 12 inch fans sucking the heat out of the room. Don't skimp on the veg room. Keep fresh bulbs every 3-4 months.

heres an example of a flower room i plan to construct in the future.. you need a 20 length x 30 width room for this (size of plants, walknig space, and equipment are all considered in space) Add more space for a veg room/harvesting room. You could go with rDWC system and each row can have it's own reservoir or DTW coco in 10-15 gallon buckets. .again each row can have their own rez.

THis is the most efficient commercial setup i've thought of. 7 plants are getting 4 sides of light and the rest are getting 3 sides of lighting. Much better than 1 side lighting you get with horizontal. (hence why you have to pack a lot more plants to achieve 1 gram per watt.) Also, forget about the 1 gram watt rule if you have your vertical setup dialed in. You will get an easy 1.2 - 1.5 with propper strain. ak47, ak99, critical mass, even your powerplant would shine with vert. Also hazes would do great as well.

** this setup wont be as efficient if you flip flop the room. It's meant to run all at once, thats how you get 3-4 sides of lighting at once.

** no need to scrog or anything; just be prepared to tie up the heavy branches with 16 gauge craft wire or whatever you prefer. You can hang hooks/chains above each plant so this will hold your branches.

** make sure humidity and environment is always in check.

**Replace your bulbs in both veg and flower regularly. Get the best. I prefer the eye blue MH for veg and all hortilux's for flower. Have extra pumps etc.

** could hang rows of chains across the entire ceiling, spaced 12-14 inches apart so you can use them to tie branches and move the lights around if needed.

** dont need to rotate the plants
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that sounds badass! ... 13200w is nothing to just selfsupply you :woohoo: ... or do you switch from 600w to 1000w flower/veg?
ive seen some pics with hanging bulbs ... they are supposed to be working very efficient!
good luck there ... i guess i would be a hell to paranoid to run something like this :nanana:

thats gonna be my 250w vertical sog:


more pictures here:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=125244
 
whodi

whodi

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i prefer 400 watt MH bulbs in veg.. then when i move them to flower they are surrounded by a mix of 600 and 1000 wat hortilux bulbs.

Vertical is the best once you figure out how to set it all up.

Good luck!
 
Rainman

Rainman

The revolution will not be televised.....
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Whats up guys? Just wanted to show some pics of a grow that I did using a rip off of the cylinder systems you see for sale in the High Times and other mags. Thanks to Mr Jones for the invite! I will show pics and then you ask any questions. It is basically a 10 wide barrel shaped setup that is 8 feet tall. 3 1k watters in the middle that were connected by mostly homeade stuff. Each cylinder produces 5-7 pounds each run and this set up has 3 in the basement. Thats 9k going in the winter time and only 1 is used for a single run in the summer due to heat. Again thanks for the invite!

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Love, Peace, and Hair Grease!
 
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konstantgrdnr

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Good going awesome pics, I'm tempted to ask how many plants, but that may get you too much attention. What kind of watering system pumps, size of Rez ? and how many mother plants. Thanks for sharing
 
Rainman

Rainman

The revolution will not be televised.....
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Forgot this one for an idea of the size.

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Plant #'s are high and it is actually a dirt system and hand watered. If you peep the pick with the stalks you can see a pice of the boxes and dirt.
 
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purpledomgoddes

nice innovation, simplicity and effectiveness.

set up w/ shelves like a bookcase?

plants in pots, or troughs?

enjoy your garden!
 
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Monday Knight

New member
High everyone!

Planning on starting a vertical 800W or 1200W CMH grow in a DR150 tent.

Now, i have'nt got a clue how to set up the lighting.
I will not be using cooltube, only a good fan to keep it at reasonable levels.

How will i hang my vertical bulbs? How will I keep the socket wires from touching the bulbs? And won't it get awfully hot between the bulbs? Don't want them to explode or anything :joint:
 
Mr.Jones

Mr.Jones

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Monday Knight said:
High everyone!

Planning on starting a vertical 800W or 1200W CMH grow in a DR150 tent.

Now, i have'nt got a clue how to set up the lighting.
I will not be using cooltube, only a good fan to keep it at reasonable levels.

How will i hang my vertical bulbs? How will I keep the socket wires from touching the bulbs? And won't it get awfully hot between the bulbs? Don't want them to explode or anything :joint:
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i would use cooltubes ... theyre not that expensive and they really make your room stay cold (or not so hot) - and you wouldnt face the problems you are facing now!



and thanks Rainman to post your setup - its amazing and it looks like crazy :abduct:
 
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Gunnarguchi

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Rainman said:
Forgot this one for an idea of the size.

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Plant #'s are high and it is actually a dirt system and hand watered. If you peep the pick with the stalks you can see a pice of the boxes and dirt.
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Awesome!

what kind of gr/watt ratio are you pulling?
 
Mister Postman

Mister Postman

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Here is a smaller unit that's vert, and revolves the plants like a ballerina hehe... http://www.spinnerhydro.com/

I had this idea years ago, and like everything else I'm not making a fucking penny on it LMAO.. Hey even if it is a Gimmick. Gimmicks have made many people filthy rich LOL.. And thats life. I always got shot down with the idea, as the vert scrog would yield better.
 
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Gunnarguchi

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some really nice inspiration here also
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=2167

im very fascinated by this one

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but im wondering this:
how to determine the lenth from pot to bulb?
how does one stop buds from growing to close to the light and get burned?

i was thinking making a vertical setup in my future indoor growroom ( currently like 80% done but im too busy with outdoor grow and also vegging the plants outdoor for the grow as currently the days are long and weather is warm)

i currently have acces too many 400 watt bulbs and ballasts so ill use these although i know 600 watt is better

i would say that the distance between pot and bulb should be something like 50 cm, making the room 100 cm wide and deep as i plan on using one hanging row in chains with 2 or 3 400 watt bulbs
the distance is a little long away from bulb to start with but i could fit more plants and they would probably fast grow closer to the bulb?

how do i stop them from growing way to close to the bulb?
does the light from the bulb above also make it grow a little horizontal so it adjusts itself or do i need to make a wire netting 40 cm in diameter to go around the bulbs when plants grow better or are they somewhat self adjusting

i was think of getting 15x15x20 cm pots, 2,5 liter or apr 1 gallon and do a shot growth

i was thinking of starting with first bulb 60 cm above the floor, then next would be 100 cm and third would be 140 cm
is that optimal?

how high could i then stack the plants before they grow so vertically the pots would tip over if using a setup like the pix above?

i dont plan on using cool tubes as ive seen with a light meter how much light they steal
instead ill be using a large fan above the bulbs blowing hot air up and out

any ideas or adjustments, experiences as highly appreciated as im new to vertical
but it interests me and im a damn fast learner and very passionated about i thing once i commit myself to it
 
Mr.Jones

Mr.Jones

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Gunnarguchi said:
wheres the link?

those 2 in your sig didnt reveal anything vertical
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http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=125244&page=2

sorry ... it was a certain time below this thread so i figured you would find it ... i think im gonna post a progress report the day after tomorrow :woohoo:

Mister Postman said:
Here is a smaller unit that's vert, and revolves the plants like a ballerina hehe... http://www.spinnerhydro.com/

I had this idea years ago, and like everything else I'm not making a fucking penny on it LMAO.. Hey even if it is a Gimmick. Gimmicks have made many people filthy rich LOL.. And thats life. I always got shot down with the idea, as the vert scrog would yield better.
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that system looks fun!!!
you could put it inyour kitchen and watch your favorit plant grow!
... would buy it if mj was legal :nanana:

Gunnarguchi said:
some really nice inspiration here also
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=2167

im very fascinated by this one

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but im wondering this:
how to determine the lenth from pot to bulb?
how does one stop buds from growing to close to the light and get burned?

i was thinking making a vertical setup in my future indoor growroom ( currently like 80% done but im too busy with outdoor grow and also vegging the plants outdoor for the grow as currently the days are long and weather is warm)

i currently have acces too many 400 watt bulbs and ballasts so ill use these although i know 600 watt is better

i would say that the distance between pot and bulb should be something like 50 cm, making the room 100 cm wide and deep as i plan on using one hanging row in chains with 2 or 3 400 watt bulbs
the distance is a little long away from bulb to start with but i could fit more plants and they would probably fast grow closer to the bulb?

how do i stop them from growing way to close to the bulb?
does the light from the bulb above also make it grow a little horizontal so it adjusts itself or do i need to make a wire netting 40 cm in diameter to go around the bulbs when plants grow better or are they somewhat self adjusting

i was think of getting 15x15x20 cm pots, 2,5 liter or apr 1 gallon and do a shot growth

i was thinking of starting with first bulb 60 cm above the floor, then next would be 100 cm and third would be 140 cm
is that optimal?

how high could i then stack the plants before they grow so vertically the pots would tip over if using a setup like the pix above?

i dont plan on using cool tubes as ive seen with a light meter how much light they steal
instead ill be using a large fan above the bulbs blowing hot air up and out

any ideas or adjustments, experiences as highly appreciated as im new to vertical
but it interests me and im a damn fast learner and very passionated about i thing once i commit myself to it
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i think for calculating the systems diametre you really need to know the strain you are growin ... in my calculations for my system i did it like that:

250w bulb means 25cm distance ... flowering an indica after a week of veg stretches about 100% so im at 20cm height: 25+20+5(for insurance) ... so i made it 100cm diamtre ... in my case i use a cooltube and growing sog so i made it 80cm ... for another insurance you could use some kind of fence around the ''critical area'' of the bulb!

i dont know about the pots ...

i like those heath robinson systems - they look so nice and clean
 
Mr.Jones

Mr.Jones

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ive found another cheap system which might be interessting for some people growing small scale who want to improve their system to perform a little better ... i think it would even be possible to build up a whol system with those small vertical walls:

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since its a stackable system you can build up whole walls:

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... its 29 pound one part ... pretty cheap in my opinion
 
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