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[Ganja baba]

@Ganja BaBa" Reeferman genetics are or were number 1 all time seeds I've planted from another comp , I wonder what he's doin now days".
Aka Charles Scott he's got his own site brother, check out Reeferman seeds on Google. Got a pack of his G13 s1. Not sure how legit it is. I know he used to have the G13 airborne cut. I'm

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I think it's his genetics but a guy called Alfie in Canada runs the comp and and breeds the stuff , think reef is on a long vacation or some thing , I'm going to buy some stuff see how it holds up compared to the old stuff , Canadians are good growers and generally good breeders so going to give them a bash thanks for the heads up

 

[Ganja baba]

The only guys pushing soil are the hippy organic lovers. Everyone who's done a successful hydro grow and a successful soil one knows what's up. Quality, Yield and crop turn around time can't be matched

One thing many hydro growers overlook is the quality of their water. R/O filer is essential

So not true IMO

 

[Piff Rhys Jones]

Ganja baba I think you need to bring out those classic pics of your kalishnapple soil grow with the stupid big colas.

Dialled organic soil less over hydro any day in my opinion, look how they do it in California and Colorado. Even well flushed and lightly fed coco doesn't smoke as nice as organic, provided it's been done properly and not overfed.

Peace

 

[hazyfontazy]

Ganja baba I think you need to bring out those classic pics of your kalishnapple soil grow with the stupid big colas.

 

[Mate Dave]

^ Soil for the Win. What's in the Kalisnapple? Nev's Haze? That room looks like a cave of stalagmites..

It's all about genetics and centres with plants and their unique spacing, nothing else matters provideing the CEC is ample for the cycle.

 

[Mate Dave]

VegNout sugested this reference to me some years back it has proved to be invaluable

Ganja baba I think you need to bring out those classic pics of your kalishnapple soil grow with the stupid big colas.

Dialled organic soil less over hydro any day in my opinion, look how they do it in California and Colorado. Even well flushed and lightly fed coco doesn't smoke as nice as organic, provided it's been done properly and not overfed.

Peace

I agree except soilless is more peat based and the alternative municiple refuse compost which has likely been chemd up and bad for the environment. in one watt and not in another due to the amounts processed by machanical means. Yards and yards of Bat and Promix FFFOF is bad for the environment compared to building a soil that works and sustains growth as well as rebuilds it.. All the big growers have top buy new every year and that sucks balls.. Best to learn how to garden and feed the soil..


Downside is you can't have s soilless mix tested by the RHS so I won't be doing it anymore outside now my structure is spot on... I'll use the indoor Biomix to cut the soil I buy in and aerate it and open up the clay.

 

[Ganja baba]

Mate Dave , I'm into soil organic and coco organic now days , I'm trying to nail a totally no effort style in regards to nutrients and stuff like that . I'm mixing bio tabs with extreme gardening mykos and azos , and a brewed tea , this is mostly in coco , coco has a great structure nice and porous for the benificisls to live on , I re use it indefinalty , unless I have mites or some thing like that the only thing I do now and then is re buffer the coco with an e.c of 1.2 canna coco as the ph of the coco starts to drop because of the organic process , I mix my coco with grow stones to keep even compression , I had some issues for the first year and don't get me wrong some times I have to make some grower friends switch to chems if for some reason the organics arnt working Normaly due to heat or poor understanding of what constitutes a wet pot , some people will never learn lol ,
What I'm getting at is soil hydro , dwc which ever way I choose to grow , if I put enough effort into and understand the physics of what is happening i get the same yeilds per square meter , I don't like the excessive root and artificial growth of hydro or the dry texture I can some times produce and like some one else said it get tired some and clumsy in a large set up lots to go wrong ,
Strait coco nearly has it all , quick growth decent tastes more reliable than most set ups , clay pebbles are a waste of time on there own .
Soil is great for those that understand what's going on , I'm generalising but when it comes down to the crunch for me , I want the best reliable method , that had little ups and downs and is very focused
Before soil and chems was over all the best for me , even large comply with little artificial side branch growth ,
I don't like to do to much work now I'm old , so as the years have gone on I'm finding more and more ways to get the same results with 80% less effort and stress ,
And the buds speak for them selves , also for me organic weed cures properly the other stuff looses its twang in the jars after a few months in comparison to the organic .
Certain strains of mine do taste better grown in certain mediums my pineapple is amazing top shelf in coco where as in soil and organic it has nothing of the coco one ,
Most enthusiasts will end up trying all different ways cause we can't help it , at first hydro and coco can seem more tasty or smelly it's only after smoking them a few days I realise I'm missing some thing , like a similar feeling to nicotine addiction , I just don't feel stoned in the right way till I have a deep organic hit or semi organic

 

[englishrick]

I believe hydro organic cant be matched. Coco is amazing. Nft canna aqua is amazing. .recirculation gives an extra level of control on the ph. Canna seems to make the best Base nutes. Canna boost definitely gives positive effects.

 

[Mate Dave]

I like both coco and soil/peat/peat free. Coco is one of my all time fave's but in organic gardens it has little benefit in soil fertility. A lil of topic I think but interesting.. Basically it takes figging ages for a tonne of it to benefit soil fertility direct through the C/N process, it will help retain mousture which makes soil crumbly but not friable. Especially chlorine so Teas and Jungle juices are great but you still need instant and slow release ameliorants available for the cycle and teras on a regular basis where as Biobiss you just add water

All this is fine when you know the requirements of the inderviduals growing and know 10ltrs of peat is far too much food for a 12 week cycle but 6 isn't enough water retaining media to make watering by hand viable and give the fertilizer solubility and so on.

Fibrous root mass is exagerated in an open porous substrate structure and it benefits those who can adapt. Those who like wet feet will not do as well consequently in a well drained mix and thus the diversity changes. Fertility pH and diversity play a large role in what grows in it successively...

Worst thing about peat is getting it wet without cutting it with perlite ..

I've mixed a bag of coir and a bag of worm cast and a tub of Pre-Mix many times and put lots of Piranha in there planted a ganja and noticed I had mushrooms growing in my mothers a year later..

I've only seen this in mums, aparently you have them growing enough to spore, You can see mycelium, once it's taken you don't need to buy anymore because the mico's spread round the garden by themselves.... You can't do any of this networking in Hydro on any level.


I know all too well what you mean about needing to hit proper weed hard..

I've taken to using a garden fork now to mix soil in 35ltr pots. Think I am going to get my 8 45's out tomorrow mix up some 3 part mix put a 400w over them and start to cover crop them ready for next season's indoor. Then have it tested before I plant and make final adjustments..

 

[Ganja baba]

I like both coco and soil/peat/peat free. Coco is one of my all time fave's but in organic gardens it has little benefit in soil fertility. A lil of topic I think but interesting.. Basically it takes figging ages for a tonne of it to benefit soil fertility direct through the C/N process, it will help retain mousture which makes soil crumbly but not friable. Friable that's what I like. All coco does is dilute soil..

That's fine if you know the requirements of the inderviduals growing and know 10ltrs of peat is far too much food for a 12 week cycle but 6 isn't enough water retaining media to make watering by hand viable and so on.

Fibrous root mass is exagerated in this open substrate structure and it benefits those who can adapt. Those who like wet feet will not do as well consequently in a well drained mix zand thus the diversity changes. Fertility pH and diversity play a role in what grows in it successively...

Worst thing about peat is getting it wet without cutting it with perlite ..

I have mixed a bag of coir and a bag of worm cast and a tub of Pre-Mix and put lots of Piranha in there planted a ganja and noticed I had mushrooms growing in my mothers a year later..

I've only seen this in mums, aparently you have them growing enough to spore, then you don't need to buy anymore and the mico's spread round the garden by themselves....


I know what you mean about needing to hit proper weed hard..

I use a garden fork now to mix soil in 35ltr pots. Think I am going to get my 8 45 ltr's pots out and put a 400w over them and start to cover crop them ready for next season's indoor. Then I can have it tested before I plant and make final adjustments..

Spot on Dave I agree with every thing you said , I've had mushrooms too , you know it's working well when they show up .im going to start working on a dry fert range , I get s lot of people asking about dry nutes now days and if my pals are going to use chems they may as well use them pure and not wet with all the additives . I personally are going to stick with the organics for now , I think I have lots more to Learn still and need to nail my no work approach , I was thinking of buying a cement mixer to mix the coco or soil , grow stones and bacterias and soil conditioners together , that's the only down side , it's a bit a pain when there are lots of pots , any one else tried grow stones they are recycled plastic from America and look like lava rocks ?

 

[Ganja baba]

I don't mix the coco with soil Dave , my coco all most turns into soil after a few runs the micros have really gone to work on it , because I'm using bio tabs and not much else , I have a percise and simple way to know what is working and what isn't , what I found with the soil was others would notice bigger swings and they couldn't get used to wet dry the pots , it would also compress to much in bigger pots , where as with the coco and the organic tabs all that's in there is the startrex which looks like castings and soil conditioner stuff and I've chose mykos and azozos as they are more single bacterias and one sucks nitrogen out the air . I was running bacs with trichoderma but that would take over and fade my plants in peak flower , now I'm noticing a total organic symbiotic relation ship with the bacs and the organic tabs in the coco , honestly I've skipped all the lime, bat shit , alpha alpha , and all the other stuff that's in super soil mixes ,
I wanted to see what the bare minimum organic nutrients and bacterias is needed them think about adding other stuff , for instance if I add one tab less I can then suppliment with mineral organic such as aptus and have the base covered but can bump up yield or expression with aptus p and k , some of my biggest yielding hassle free grows have been like this ,
The farmer that takes my coco loves it , I think it helps break down clay or some thing , it's a great top dresser to .

 

[Mate Dave]

Not tried the grow stones.. You can grow cannabis in Cannabis, GrowDoc's got a pic of it growing in it's parents


I need some Granite for my Waterfarm is that like growstones the granite? Aparently it's rough edges release more nutrient delivery apparently and you get no loss in granulation so I hear..

I have 2 growbed alternatives, You could plant into paddling pools. £6 for a pop up one on the Bay for largish ones.. Or could make hotbeds from a pallet and some ply round the size to get the depth.. That way you can move the grow out of a factory unit if needed and onto a lorry mid flower and have support for the leaders.. I'm fairly sure 20+'s are possible on a pallet.

Dry ferts are the way forward Ganja baba concentrated and bioavailable. Intence stuff..
"The difference between Rabbit poo and Horse is death vs growth".

I've only just really got back into gardening outdoors. I've been on it a few years since college and I am basically sustainable after buying seeds, I buy either 2 or 3 tonnes of Amendment every year and mulch and make layers.

I am not sure of an alternative to containers or pots or beds.. Mounds indoors sounds really messy and whenever I have had one piled in the corner it is.. You'd water plants in mounds indoors and they would all join up

Currently I am working on a mix that will grow dank Sativas in one of these Hydro organic beds https://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/4530DSCF00161.JPG

 

[Ganja baba]

Not tried the grow stones.. You can grow cannabis in Cannabis, GrowDoc's got a pic of it growing in it's parents


I need some Granite for my Waterfarm is that like growstones the granite? Aparently it's rough edges release more nutrient delivery apparently and you get no loss in granulation so I hear..

I have 2 growbed alternatives, You could plant into paddling pools. £6 for a pop up one on the Bay for largish ones.. Or could make hotbeds from a pallet and some ply round the size to get the depth.. That way you can move the grow out of a factory unit if needed and onto a lorry mid flower and have support for the leaders.. I'm fairly sure 20+'s are possible on a pallet.

Dry ferts are the way forward Ganja baba concentrated and bioavailable. Intence stuff..
"The difference between Rabbit poo and Horse is death vs growth".

I've only just really got back into gardening outdoors. I've been on it a few years since college and I am basically sustainable after buying seeds, I buy either 2 or 3 tonnes of Amendment every year and mulch and make layers.

I am not sure of an alternative to containers or pots or beds.. Mounds indoors sounds really messy and whenever I have had one piled in the corner it is.. You'd water plants in mounds indoors and they would all join up

Currently I am working on a mix that will grow dank Sativas in one of these Hydro organic beds https://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/4530DSCF00161.JPG

My pal medical breeder runs hydro organic dwc he swears by it , that's probably one of the next things I'll try cause it sounds challenging , I was running a oxygenated vortex system but only for mums I keep in dwc the vortex is pretty amazing ,, I just have 20lt pots in 1m square flexi trays , I do t have to worry about run to waste as I've got no salts and I have so much light plants need watering daily but they just soak up all the waste in a hour or so , and unless using auto pots most are on a dripper system so works really well all most twat proof , human error accounts for most issues in the grow room , I would love to give a grower a bag or two of my organic coco pre mixed with every thing they need and just say hey man all you need to do is add tap water and nothing else all the way till the end and you will have a perfect plant , any ways better get back on topic
Hey Dave you tried that big cheese , the one that's all most exodus cheese but then when you grow it it's like big long baseball bats , it's like and exodus copy with twice the vigour , tastes and smells totally of cheese ,

 

[Mate Dave]

No, which cheese is this Ganjababa? Sounds like the rocking horse shit clone.. Do the buds still weigh out silly on that clone? ounes of 12 lil buds all the size of your thumb and sometimes less all made up from the main bracts?

I would like to try it for arguments sake but i would also like to taste the Apples and Pears Skunk you have. It sound proper Cockney..

You could start a business with that just add water idea selling it to joe public should the UK change it's position on missuse of drugs act

 

[Mate Dave]

I don't mix the coco with soil Dave , my coco all most turns into soil after a few runs the micros have really gone to work on it , because I'm using bio tabs and not much else , I have a percise and simple way to know what is working and what isn't , what I found with the soil was others would notice bigger swings and they couldn't get used to wet dry the pots , it would also compress to much in bigger pots , where as with the coco and the organic tabs all that's in there is the startrex which looks like castings and soil conditioner stuff and I've chose mykos and azozos as they are more single bacterias and one sucks nitrogen out the air . I was running bacs with trichoderma but that would take over and fade my plants in peak flower , now I'm noticing a total organic symbiotic relation ship with the bacs and the organic tabs in the coco , honestly I've skipped all the lime, bat shit , alpha alpha , and all the other stuff that's in super soil mixes ,
I wanted to see what the bare minimum organic nutrients and bacterias is needed them think about adding other stuff , for instance if I add one tab less I can then suppliment with mineral organic such as aptus and have the base covered but can bump up yield or expression with aptus p and k , some of my biggest yielding hassle free grows have been like this ,
The farmer that takes my coco loves it , I think it helps break down clay or some thing , it's a great top dresser to .

The Farmer Sounds Like DocLeaf. I bet that you can get a spade all the way down past the spit to the handle in that guy's beds.. Sounds like a really cool method Ganjababa and it's uniqure as it's discovered.. I'd be interested to try it out on a simple run. Would it/can you make it work in a water farm if I give it a dy period or will I have to learn the feeding..?

Also what's the Aptus range like? I hear good things about the fascilitatoror something.. I supose it's a blend of plant proteins and PGR that stimulate responses kinda like aspirin and that is somehow is able to get extra %'s and I'm all for the %'s

 

[Ganja baba]

The Farmer Sounds Like DocLeaf. I bet that you can get a spade all the way down past the spit to the handle in that guy's beds.. Sounds like a really cool method Ganjababa and it's uniqure as it's discovered.. I'd be interested to try it out on a simple run. Would it/can you make it work in a water farm if I give it a dy period or will I have to learn the feeding..?

Also what's the Aptus range like? I hear good things about the fascilitatoror something.. I supose it's a blend of plant proteins and PGR that stimulate responses kinda like aspirin and that is somehow is able to get extra %'s and I'm all for the %'s

The aptus is mined mineral organics , the facilitator is very pure form of silicon the one that actually gets in the plants , no pgr it's better than chems as it grows like chems but richer growth and terps similar to organics , they don't do a base nute just additives , got to use it all at 1/4 strength that's where every one goes wrong , I will feed with flora nova from General hydro as a base nutrient if not using tabs or aptus own organic pellets , which have to much k for my liking to use just those and not the bio tabs but with the aptus pellets and the additives you can go wrong , I got lots of dispensary growers in Cali on this stuff and they love it , it's so concentrated you only need tiny amounts , I like using their p for two weeks then the k and both a some sulphur in them which boost resin production , you got to try it once , if you know your elements and know what your plants need then the aptus is good becuae the plants take it up very easy so can fix issues quick .
There appoach to growing and info on thier site was top notch last time I checked , have a look mate

 

[Ganja baba]

No, which cheese is this Ganjababa? Sounds like the rocking horse shit clone.. Do the buds still weigh out silly on that clone? ounes of 12 lil buds all the size of your thumb and sometimes less all made up from the main bracts?

I would like to try it for arguments sake but i would also like to taste the Apples and Pears Skunk you have. It sound proper Cockney..

You could start a business with that just add water idea selling it to joe public should the UK change it's position on missuse of drugs act

I could sell that premixed all in one soil bags in my hydro shop and could get the wholesalers to stock it just I neve have time to follow this stuff up and end up giving my ideas away in the hope at least some one benifits from them .
We have a few new crosses with that apple and pears being made at the mo but I'm waiting to see how many seeds I have in them , it's this crossed with the U.K. Pineapple I most eagerly awaiting , pineapple pears lol that would be nice , in the uk we have pineapple cubes and pear drops as sweets or candy as the Americans call it , I gather seeing as you called the aptus product facilitator and regulator your not from the uk

 

[Mate Dave]

I am from the UK Ganja Baba, but i just know the name from memory of the one you use inbetween base dayys to optimise.. I seen that Jack may offer/shit info. thread Pinapple and pears sounds lovely Conference pear is my absolute favourite fruit. Pineapple is probably my second. Grapefruit and pineapple smell kinda similar in weed because of the terps. If they come good the seeds mate i'll buy some. It's interesting you say you notice the difference between the richer growth and the terps similar to organics as it must be superiour or enhanced. Something I feel Jack was doing in his thread was looking for the 'Key' to his cash strains over many base trials Looking for the flavour. I personally only feed addatives to soil if it's going to be thrown out.. I won't use a base nute during a cycle as that's where I think the petroleum is that taints the terpenes. I'd use a complete 5-5-5 to get sttuff back on track if i think it needed it as you would yourself.

Do you stock the Aptus in your shop Ganja baba? That's the problem I have here, my man in the shop won't use a different supplier, he's got the monopoly here and don't need to.. He ocasionally will order me Powerplant instead of maxibright if I treat him.. Other than that I buy dirt and bulbs and keep away from that back shelf of bottles. I havent bought liquid ferts since 2012. I last bought a box of premix that i'm still using it up, the buckets are great for storing weed

 

[Ganja baba]

I am from the UK Ganja Baba, but i just know the name from memory of the one you use inbetween base dayys to optimise.. I seen that Jack may offer/shit info. thread Pinapple and pears sounds lovely Conference pear is my absolute favourite fruit. Pineapple is probably my second. Grapefruit and pineapple smell kinda similar in weed because of the terps. If they come good the seeds mate i'll buy some. It's interesting you say you notice the difference between the richer growth and the terps similar to organics as it must be superiour or enhanced. Something I feel Jack was doing in his thread was looking for the 'Key' to his cash strains over many base trials Looking for the flavour. I personally only feed addatives to soil if it's going to be thrown out.. I won't use a base nute during a cycle as that's where I think the petroleum is that taints the terpenes. I'd use a complete 5-5-5 to get sttuff back on track if i think it needed it as you would yourself.

Do you stock the Aptus in your shop Ganja baba? That's the problem I have here, my man in the shop won't use a different supplier, he's got the monopoly here and don't need to.. He ocasionally will order me Powerplant instead of maxibright if I treat him.. Other than that I buy dirt and bulbs and keep away from that back shelf of bottles. I havent bought liquid ferts since 2012. I last bought a box of premix that i'm still using it up, the buckets are great for storing weed

Honestly my pineapple had no hint of grapefruite and my grapefruit had no into what what we now called grapefruit the bitter acrid all most agent orange one , the pineapple is dog shit skunk pineapple , and our grapes is orgianal DNA first release before they left America it's the true Skunky one smooth grapefruit fruity rather than bitter ,
Yes mate we sell the aptus , it's very popular
Thought you was in the uk not many mate daves over there lol .
, I've got an heirloom pear tree in my back garden , best pear I've ever tasted , I got my fingers crossed for a good pollination this year , the frost at the end of April kills my buds most years it seems ,

 

[Mate Dave]

To protect the buds you could bubble wrap or other techniques to prevent loss. VerdentGreen probably has some serious tekkas on that kinda stuff.. I'd just prune 2/3 out and have them grow massive and wrap individually..


The terpene dscriptions of those strains sound like the coat the mouth types..

I like the sound of them.. Are you in Spain or the UK Ganja Baba?