U.K cheese brightside cut ?

[Timm]

Greenhouse definately dont have the A5 or C5 Haze as we would of seen them on the menu in the coffeshops
As much as i think greenhouse has gone to shit i always go into the coffeshop when im in town to check the menu to see if they got any good Haze to buy , but they never do

I think the same every time I go to greenhouse

The lemon haze on their menu is like hay, even the london cash croppers manage much better lemon haze examples than what they sell in the coffeeshops

same goes for amsterdam as a whole, none of the flowers impress me there anymore

 

[Timm]

Another thing to add is I think this haze debate is boring and pointless it's all a web of lies, no one knows the true facts because it's all muddled up by lies from everyone involved

What neville and co done was great but that shits way way in the past and frankly who gives a fuck. Who's bringing out new interesting strains in 2016 and not crossing poly-hybrid with poly-hybrid.. absolutely no one. It says a lot that the most popular strains today were made by accident. Which is why I don't really rate all these stupid high thc american genetics as dave said THC alone is shit

 

[Mate Dave]

THC is boring or flat @ times... I like it when it's full of terpenes I enjoy it most live fresh and pungent.

Columbian is the nicest landrace or as close to landrace as I have had that I enjoy, I've tried a few Mexi's and some Affies and Jamican's and Nigerian but that 'Lumbo' had some fire flavour and gave a great aura ... Thai is nice,, shit now if and when I see it it's cured like hay.. Shit used to mess me up that did with 'Mussle Spasms'

I've nothing against American stuff, all the genes are a blend somewhat anyway.

It's either the classic Dutch/Euro or Yank smell or selection.. Babysick or feet and fizzy grape or berry.. Insence, spice, wood. Or Lemon's and cleaner in everything I see these days.. It's either Skunk Haze Kush or Northern Lights if it's not..

I've started to compile a list of terpens that have an effect on behaviour traits. I have another site I reference with that has a database with many reviews on particular cuttings as to effects medically and recreationally and I reference my analysis with these and determine if I agree with the consensus, this gives me insight in how to avoid unwanted effects like 'Mussle Spasms' or quick fade highs like the Plague, it also helps to define the get work done varieties..

Something to be getting on with..

 

[Mate Dave]

babbas gg4 was tested at over 27% at the emerald cup
http://contests.theemeraldcup.com/entries/FL122

That's amazing. I'd have to research the test method as the one I base my facts on it a true analysis.. I'm not saying that isn't correct because they can grow herb.

But there are particluar labs that are "SHIT" the reputation is beyond a joke..

My site I use has 4-5 test's for THC in seperate forms and is likely more accurate by first glance.

Some of the readings of 27 and 30's I have seen are backed up with an overall of 21's/22's usually. They don't use the total figure. 24 being exceptionally high.

Cheese for example was testing one thing @ 31 but 17.5 was the overall...

Beta-caryophyllene that's an interesting Terpenoid.

I'll have to go through my history and dig that site out "1618" See if you can authenticate my works so I havent wasted my time...

 

[englishrick]

I was in Amsterdam when nev dropped the last of his stuff. This was just before he vanished. ....he was dropping the best haze crosses I've ever even till this day,,that was back in 2001.

In the weeks after nev left amaterdam ..greenhouse became devoid of good haze. Greenhouse didn't even have seeds for sale at the time. ...they aquired a weak ssh clone from God knows where..nothing compared to the stuff nev was knocking out. The slh they sell today is a cross between that weak ass ssh clone (defo no killer jack h clone) an lemon skunk.

If greenhouse had access to nevs nl5xhaze or that old jh clone they would still have that level of haze in there tubs...but they don't. .weak job gh that's for sure. But when it comes to cheese, b made sure it got to everyone out there. After buddah an Arjan did a fem vertion of bb cheese they then got given b's clone

 

[englishrick]

Nevil had the best clones I've ever smoked. For all we know cheese could well have been part of his sk1 seedlots ..credit where credit is due. The guy dropped some nice selections and the crumbs are basically prized

 

[zirt]

Nevil had the best clones I've ever smoked. For all we know cheese could well have been part of his sk1 seedlots ..credit where credit is due. The guy dropped some nice selections and the crumbs are basically prized

More than Probably DP got genetics from him; Nev&Scott had that Mazari. The original Great White Shark was made with that Mazari
Mazar X South Indian.
The same line that Scott later sold to Soma and was used to make Lavender ( Mazar X Some Hawaian hybrid).

So Cheese,GWS (the original) and Lavender have the same female Mazar seed line into their genetics.

You like it or not.

I don´t know what SSH uses GH seeds; they have people around here; could be SSH bilbo cutting, Could Be the cutting used to make Amnesia, could be Herbalizor´s cutting?
Did he find it back around Londinium? I remember that thread...

 

[Ganja baba]

Nevil had the best clones I've ever smoked. For all we know cheese could well have been part of his sk1 seedlots ..credit where credit is due. The guy dropped some nice selections and the crumbs are basically prized

Are you guys forgetting reeferman he went back to the dam every one rip him all those strains the coffee shop versions , when super silver was a 16 week flower this was around ten years ago , all the super silvers and amnesias we boosted up with his sativas , to four years for all the sativas to be mostly 10 week or less flowers , I fist hand saw and over heard how reeferman came and then left and they all stole his shit , I know he had problems but his genetics speak for them selves I've grown every ones stuff , shanti sensi gh and no seeds I have ever popped for sativa hybrids have ever been as good as reefermans , he didn't follow the stay on the haze twang he's had some far out topical unique genes or did and I love I have a big back catologue from when a friend used to be the guy that packaged and sent reefs seeds for him from the uk ,
Reefermans genetics are or were number 1 all time seeds I've planted from another comp , I wonder what he's doin now days

 

[Ganja baba]

IMO the last sativa craze in the dam we all loved all came about from reefs genetics , John Sinclair, Allegra loads of them my pursang haze from barnies was all to do with the reef sativas , lemon sativas and spicy sweet ones , amnesia all of them , I know people won't agree with this , all I'm saying is when he turned up it went crazy the coffee shop versions of super silver and amnesia where nothing like the seed version , all that Mekong haze and those types made all the new super silvers and them they were all basic hazes before , barnies called them what they wanted every one got their mitts on his stuff and playgerisded his genetics ,
I was standing in grey area over hearing some guys talking first hand how he was getting ripped by some Dutch guys

 

[zirt]

Honestly, I don´t care about Hamsterdamm and trully believe that the influence of Amsterdam has been really harmfull over cannabis.

Many of the "Spanish Breeders" learnt their trade there,and then brought back here a way of doing things, I mean, the lies, the ego fights,the inflated prices, the hype and all that bullshit.

I used to ask "¿Why we do things this way?
Answer " Is the way the Dutch do it"

You can´t forget the American influence also.
I don´t know who has pushed more lies, the governments or the canna industry...you like it or not.

 

[Cheesegez]

I love haze man ... It seems like all the haze stories are full of haze . There so many stories maybe it's due to short term memory loss ��

Does anyone posses a good sweet spicey haze in clone form I've just popped some SLH and are disappointed now I know there crossed with a weak ssh cut ..

All I know is there's that much haze in Holland a lot is being imported to the uk

I'm bored of the names now had strawberry haze ,ammo haze , Apple haze .... They all seem to be very closely related in terms of smell and quality .. This shit is next level tho

Peace
CG

 

[ojd]

When reefeman first turned up ad had john sinclair etc at dampkring they were amazing , new sativa
That john sinclair was amazing
Best sativa since neville left town
Also that alegria was very nice also( i thought that was kiwi seeds
But when reef went to work with barneys all the reef bud was all swag , nothing like he offered when at dampkring
Shame those buds were real special
I have many seeds from reeferman and his breeding stock i wa given that i should look through them

 

[Mate Dave]

You can see Mazari a mile away, one of the 1st things I grew. It's really compact or was then from DP. All of them had the same kinda smell.

The same taste is in shark for sure but it's more 'acrid baby sick'.

That is what I think maybe is in Amnesia. Babysick was found in fem seeds of the Hy-pro. It has shanti signature to it Amnesia or the packs i've been growing what makes me think it's a Shanti Nev Hybrid..

I also think Mazar was in the first Critical release. We lost the Critical clone that was really good.

 

[zirt]

I don´t think Critical or Amnesia are related to mazar. At least IMO Critical is more related to Hash Plant kind of Afghani+sweet skunk. Reworking of Big Bud according to Scott.

Amnesia = SSH is more related to NL#5/Haze.

 

[englishrick]

I thought John sinclare was from damkrink seeds. Mako too. That batch in 06 was the best since nev that's true.

Nevs ssh is still probs one of my fave smokes of all time..apart from when he put something called cannalope haze in the greenhouse (one of them sticker additions writen on with pen) that cannalope was the best haze I've ever seen in my life

 

[Timm]

Cannalope haze is DNA's rip off of C99

 

[englishrick]

Dna was not in the country back in 2001. An dna's cannalope is not even a haze ..Nobody remembers nevs cannalope haze. But trust me that was the best haze hybrid I have ever seen an I've seen a fair few

 

[zirt]

And Dr. Kerkovian? You remember Dr. Kerkovian Rick ?

That was real fire, serious shit mate. Ask Scott if you see him,trust me.

 

[zirt]

No kidding

No kidding

The Dr Kevorkian was indeed a Shantibaba's strains he made with Neville.

It was not a Skunk Haze cross but a NL5Haze cross. Here is the info from Shanti as posted over here at ic mag forums:

"At some stage we came out with Dr Kevorkian...a strain that was in between SSH and NH genetically."

"Doc Kevorkian was basically a particular NL5 x Haze one of the original sisters in the hood."

"I have all of these things in seed stock from the early 90s and before.Maybe one day I will get around to putting them back into stock for those who are interested."

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=108010

 

[zirt]

Let´s keep digging...
If what Scott said it´s true, quite probably Doc.Kerkovian&Mango Haze are related,if not, are the same seed line with the name changed.

He says he keeps it in seed form, so must be a seed line...

Most sativa leaning hybrids of those years are related to NL#5XHaze:
Silver Haze,Super Silver Haze,Jack Herer even Kali Mist.

Quite probably Afghani#1 is related to Northern Lights; could be a selection of Northern Lights or a seed line started from Northern Lights.

The same genetics reworked,remixed, renamed IMO.

This looks like Hercules Porrot investigating the murder on the Orient Express