The Trump Countdown Thread

[xavier7995]

capitalism also has built in mechanisms (racism is one of them) to stop the revolt as well (as we're being seen now from the right). through control of our society and institutions they can change the narrative and get people to actually protect the status quo (anti government righties protecting and enforcing the will of the gubbermint from the evil marxist blackies)

Of course they do. But in the unending quest for profit, eventually the system undermines itself. I am of course speaking philosophically, but there is a point that the only thing left to cut are the systems that protect capital and are essentia. The demand to continue to grow profit necessitates those cuts get made.

 

[BearCreekFarms]

I also believe it's racist to assume black people can't pull themselves out of poverty without the help of the government.

god they hate it when you do that. the truth can be painful at times.





malcolm x was right, the progressives were and are the enemy of the black people.


malcolm was a black nationalist you know, working for the bteerment of his people.........(reference for mc hammerhead).

 

['Boogieman']

Of course they do. But in the unending quest for profit, eventually the system undermines itself. I am of course speaking philosophically, but there is a point that the only thing left to cut are the systems that protect capital and are essentia. The demand to continue to grow profit necessitates those cuts get made.

Honest question, how would the lives of black people improve under socialism/communism? Free government handouts? Is every black person going to become a legal drug dealer even though the competition would be steep? Do people not work in a communist country? Force them to graduate school? What would really change?

 

[Zeez]

I'm predicting another bankruptcy .

 

[NEW ENGLAND]

Its not hard to do when it's produced like a reality show. Biden doesn't ship in people from other states .

I beg to differ,when biden was in New Hampshire,he saw so many vermonters in the crowd he complimented them on how beautiful Vermont is.

But,I'm geographically impaired myself. Ive been trying to find the State of confusion all day.....hahahaha
Time to pull another Karma Sowahh bud outta the jar.
Get my popcorn ready to watch Louisville be looted and burne.

 

[packerfan79]

States should demand facial recognition be used on rally entrances so that proper contact tracing could be done.

I would very much to see the real numbers on the trail of carnage that this man leaves in his wake. No doubt that these are super spreader events rivaling Sturges.

Don't think for a minute that anyone gets close to him without a mask and several recent covid checks. I'll bet they have calluses in their sinuses from being tested so often.

Does that go for BLM riots also?

 

[BearCreekFarms]

Does that go for BLM riots also?

of course not.......lol

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

The lies just keep coming,ay?


Fact check: Trump makes false claims about his record on manufacturing and coal jobs

Manufacturing
Trump claimed that "we brought back 700,000" manufacturing jobs.
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Facts First: This was not even true before the pandemic-driven recession: as of February, 483,000 manufacturing jobs had been added during Trump's presidency. As of the most recent data, from August, 237,000 manufacturing jobs had been lost under Trump.
Coal
After denouncing Biden for the Obama administration's efforts to reduce the use of coal, Trump said, "I saved it. I put our miners back to work."


Facts First: As of August, 5,300 coal mining jobs had been lost under Trump. (As of February, it was a loss of 1,000.) And the industry generally continues to decline. Amid a continued shift by utility companies toward cheaper natural gas and cleaner renewables, US coal production fell in 2019 to the lowest level since 1978, when there was a major strike. Multiple coal companies have filed for bankruptcy in 2019 and 2020.
Trump has, as promised, made policy moves to try to help the coal industry; it's certainly possible for him to argue that he has been better for the industry than a Democrat would be, and it's possible that his efforts have helped some miners get new jobs. But he has not come close to producing any kind of coal revival. The government's Energy Information Administration reported in May that 2019 was the first year since the 1880s that the US consumed more energy from renewable sources than from coal.
Brian Lego, a West Virginia University research assistant professor who follows the coal industry, said conditions in the industry started to recover in 2016, prior to Trump's election, then were "relatively stable" from 2017 into 2019. But he emphasized that "it was stable at very low levels," and stable because of rising demand from foreign countries "rather than any discernible improvement in domestic coal demand linked to a change in US policy."
Conditions then worsened in late 2019 -- "The last four months or so of the year are when market conditions really fell apart, and the fourth quarter was terrible," Lego said -- and got even more dire because of the pandemic.


Washing machines
Trump claimed that Samsung and LG decided to build US factories because of the tariffs he put on washing machines imported from abroad.
"I put the tariff, and now what they're doing is LG and Samsung, and these companies that made the washing machine, they're now coming into the United States. And in order to avoid the tariff, they're building plants in the United States. And that's OK. And that's what we should be doing," he said.


Facts First: This is misleading. The Samsung and LG US washing machine factories were both announced in 2017, months before Trump announced the tariffs in 2018. LG says the tariffs prompted the company to make a larger investment in the plant than it initially planned, but that the tariffs were not the reason it decided to build the plant at all.
John Taylor, spokesman for LG Electronics USA, said the company first decided to build a US washing machine plant in 2011, then took years to choose a Tennessee site, which it announced in February 2017. "We decided long ago. We announced the factory. A year later, after we announced the factory, there were some tariffs," he said.
He said the tariffs were one of the reasons the company ended up investing $360 million in the plant rather than $250 million.
"LG didn't build the factory because of the tariffs, but the tariffs were one of the factors that compelled us to accelerate the construction and invest more," he said.
So Trump could boast about how his policy led to additional investment -- though research has found that the tariffs also led to price increases for consumers -- but it's "misleading, at best" to suggest the plants exist because of the tariffs, said Scott Lincicome, a trade expert and senior fellow in economic studies at the libertarian Cato Institute.
Samsung did not respond to a request for comment.
The pandemic recovery
Trump again boasted of setting records for job creation.
"In the past four months, we've added a record-smashing 10.6 million jobs -- never been close to that. Four months, 10.6 million jobs," he said.

Facts First: Trump left out essential context. Immediately before this record gain of about 10.6 million jobs over four months, there was a much larger record loss of about 22.2 million jobs over two months. In other words, as of August, the country was still down 11.5 million jobs since March. (And as of August, the economy was down 4.7 million jobs since the beginning of Trump's presidency.)
Also, many of the 10.6 million jobs "added" since May simply represent people returning to their previous jobs, from which they had been temporarily laid off.

minds_I

 

[Cannavore]

Honest question, how would the lives of black people improve under socialism/communism? Free government handouts? Is every black person going to become a legal drug dealer even though the competition would be steep? Do people not work in a communist country? Force them to graduate school? What would really change?

Historically socialism is usually described as govt control of the economy but thats not the case much any more. Socialists ultimately disagree on ideology just as capitalist ideologies do (dems vs gop). Some want state control, others dont. Most socialists do not focus on the government side of things any more and seem to be focused under the Marxist idea of workplace democratization or worker ownership of the economy and not private ownership by the CEO's or boards of directors or wharever. Everyone who works for said company would be a part owner of said company. It would benefit everyone if they owned their own labor regardless of their skin color. Youd be hard pressed to find anyone who works for a living to voluntarily take less money while the CEO's make 100's of % more money than every one else if the workers owned the company themselves. Same thing for outsourcing. If the workers owned their labor I doubt youd find many companies willing to fire all the Americans and ship the company and jobs overseas to make more $$$.

Plus strong unionization and a strong social safety net like Bernie wanted us to have, which again would help all Americans but moreso the minority groups (black and native American especially).
Bernie as a social Democrat (an ideology still compatible with capitalism) would have been the compromise to marxism/socialism for a lot of lefties but alas not enough people listened, 2020 happened and it radicalized americans.

Communism is socialism with the eventual abolition of the state (govt) and all class structure rich v poor. We're still a long ways away from full fledge communism being even a possibility of implementation though. Like a 100+ years away actually.

 

[xavier7995]

I believe capitalism can and will work for everyone. I also believe it's racist to assume black people can't pull themselves out of poverty without the help of the government. Trump had the lowest unemployment numbers in the black community in a very long time which is progress. Nobody needs to make millions of dollars to be happy and live a good life. I love my job, pay my bill's, have my own home, certainly don't care if other people have more than I have I'm happy.

I can't speak for Cannavore, but going to try and use an example...i had a long one about outsourcing database management, but it wasn't relatable.

So going to try and use plumbing stuff. Your family business exists in competition with all the rest of the plumber businesses. Thats capitalism. What drives people to or from a business? You can argue quality, but ultimately I think its going to be price. The price vs quality argument becomes key here. The eternal struggle is to provide better quality at a lower cost, thats the argument that capitalism benefits the consumer, as i know it. Whatever group wins then gobbles up the loser, capitalism is winners and losers...and that works well up to a point. But let's say you become the last man standing. Capitalism makes it necessary to continue to grow, what you say about not needing a million bucks to be happy is true, but flies in the face of capitalism on a philosophical basis. That just isnt what it is, no such thing as having enough. So you did a better job for cheaper and took out all the competition...still gotta deliver that profit growth. You can't grow revenue, you already have all the business. You can raise prices, its a monopoly after all, but that only works until someone else comes along and then can take you out. You really have to cut costs to keep it going. So you hire cheaper lower quality employees and use cheaper lower quality products. I think you can see how that could impact lots of stuff up and down stream from an individual business, if you are the producer of the higher quality but more expensive component you will find that your customers can't pay the premium, so you have to drop quality. People as a whole find themselves with less cash since everyone is racing to pay the least.

Meh, this is getting long and rambly. The argument is that capitalism is necessary and just a stage in communism. Can ramble if anyone is interested but eh...

 

[xavier7995]

Honest question, how would the lives of black people improve under socialism/communism? Free government handouts? Is every black person going to become a legal drug dealer even though the competition would be steep? Do people not work in a communist country? Force them to graduate school? What would really change?

I dont really see it in terms of race, more along the lines of class, and yes, i think people would be better off. I disagree with handouts, those folks work or starve. Being lazy isn't part of communism. Handouts now are to keep the poor from killing the rich.

I do get what you're saying though, and man idk. What we are doing isn't working so I'm open to new ideas.

 

[iTarzan]

Seems that some of Trump's advisors are worried that Biden is going to humiliate Trump next week in their first debate and that these months spent mocking Biden's mental acumen will backfire spectacularly. I'd bet $500 they've been looking hard at any way possible to get some GHB or LSD into Biden's water bottle. When Biden spanks Trump do you suppose that Joe Rogan will admit to his 100 million+ listeners that he's a paid shill and the truth is Trump's a corrupt chump? How will they attempt to spin a humiliating debate defeat?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/23/trump-biden-first-debate-420189

Why did they release the list of topics for the debate? It was never done before. They need to help feeble Joe. It won't help but we all know they are trying to prop Joe up.

There isn't going to be one single conservative moderator.

I think the debates should be each candidate brings his list of questions to ask the other candidate. The questions will be prepared by each sides team. That eliminates biased moderators and Donna Brazile cheaters.

 

[Hammerhead]

I beg to differ,when biden was in New Hampshire,he saw so many vermonters in the crowd he complimented them on how beautiful Vermont is.

But,I'm geographically impaired myself. Ive been trying to find the State of confusion all day.....hahahaha
Time to pull another Karma Sowahh bud outta the jar.
Get my popcorn ready to watch Louisville be looted and burne.

lol thats what 2hr drive.Not even worth mentioning ... Trump ships in people from 1000 miles away

 

[iTarzan]

blah, blah, blah

I still don't care and your European weed sucks balls. Now go smoke some Frisian Dew, Guerilla Gold and Royal Dane and try to get high. LOL! American weed would cripple you.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

So how about that stock market?

 

[iTarzan]

FACT...

Trump is winning in a landslide. I fucking landslide.

Feeble Joe and his Canadian whore
Will never walk though the White House door!

 

[Zeez]

Does that go for BLM riots also?

Riots is your word Packer.

I don't advocate facial recognition unless the circumstances are exceptional. In areas where violence or looting was expected I would say yes. Deploy them just for the situation. It would likely prove that protestors and looters are two different groups.

 

[iTarzan]

So how about that stock market?

The DOW the day before Trump took office was 19,870

Today the DOW is 26,763

Any questions?

 

[Sunshineinabag]

Hello all,

The lies just keep coming,ay?


Fact check: Trump makes false claims about his record on manufacturing and coal jobs

Manufacturing
Trump claimed that "we brought back 700,000" manufacturing jobs.
Content by CNN Underscored
The perfect rugs help turn your house into a home
CNN Underscored partnered with Boutique Rugs to create this content. When you make a purchase, CNN receives revenue.


Facts First: This was not even true before the pandemic-driven recession: as of February, 483,000 manufacturing jobs had been added during Trump's presidency. As of the most recent data, from August, 237,000 manufacturing jobs had been lost under Trump.
Coal
After denouncing Biden for the Obama administration's efforts to reduce the use of coal, Trump said, "I saved it. I put our miners back to work."


Facts First: As of August, 5,300 coal mining jobs had been lost under Trump. (As of February, it was a loss of 1,000.) And the industry generally continues to decline. Amid a continued shift by utility companies toward cheaper natural gas and cleaner renewables, US coal production fell in 2019 to the lowest level since 1978, when there was a major strike. Multiple coal companies have filed for bankruptcy in 2019 and 2020.
Trump has, as promised, made policy moves to try to help the coal industry; it's certainly possible for him to argue that he has been better for the industry than a Democrat would be, and it's possible that his efforts have helped some miners get new jobs. But he has not come close to producing any kind of coal revival. The government's Energy Information Administration reported in May that 2019 was the first year since the 1880s that the US consumed more energy from renewable sources than from coal.
Brian Lego, a West Virginia University research assistant professor who follows the coal industry, said conditions in the industry started to recover in 2016, prior to Trump's election, then were "relatively stable" from 2017 into 2019. But he emphasized that "it was stable at very low levels," and stable because of rising demand from foreign countries "rather than any discernible improvement in domestic coal demand linked to a change in US policy."
Conditions then worsened in late 2019 -- "The last four months or so of the year are when market conditions really fell apart, and the fourth quarter was terrible," Lego said -- and got even more dire because of the pandemic.


Washing machines
Trump claimed that Samsung and LG decided to build US factories because of the tariffs he put on washing machines imported from abroad.
"I put the tariff, and now what they're doing is LG and Samsung, and these companies that made the washing machine, they're now coming into the United States. And in order to avoid the tariff, they're building plants in the United States. And that's OK. And that's what we should be doing," he said.


Facts First: This is misleading. The Samsung and LG US washing machine factories were both announced in 2017, months before Trump announced the tariffs in 2018. LG says the tariffs prompted the company to make a larger investment in the plant than it initially planned, but that the tariffs were not the reason it decided to build the plant at all.
John Taylor, spokesman for LG Electronics USA, said the company first decided to build a US washing machine plant in 2011, then took years to choose a Tennessee site, which it announced in February 2017. "We decided long ago. We announced the factory. A year later, after we announced the factory, there were some tariffs," he said.
He said the tariffs were one of the reasons the company ended up investing $360 million in the plant rather than $250 million.
"LG didn't build the factory because of the tariffs, but the tariffs were one of the factors that compelled us to accelerate the construction and invest more," he said.
So Trump could boast about how his policy led to additional investment -- though research has found that the tariffs also led to price increases for consumers -- but it's "misleading, at best" to suggest the plants exist because of the tariffs, said Scott Lincicome, a trade expert and senior fellow in economic studies at the libertarian Cato Institute.
Samsung did not respond to a request for comment.
The pandemic recovery
Trump again boasted of setting records for job creation.
"In the past four months, we've added a record-smashing 10.6 million jobs -- never been close to that. Four months, 10.6 million jobs," he said.

Facts First: Trump left out essential context. Immediately before this record gain of about 10.6 million jobs over four months, there was a much larger record loss of about 22.2 million jobs over two months. In other words, as of August, the country was still down 11.5 million jobs since March. (And as of August, the economy was down 4.7 million jobs since the beginning of Trump's presidency.)
Also, many of the 10.6 million jobs "added" since May simply represent people returning to their previous jobs, from which they had been temporarily laid off.

minds_I

Politicians lie? No fuken way?

 

[minds_I]

FACT...

Trump is winning in a landslide. I fucking landslide.

Feeble Joe and his Canadian whore
Will never walk though the White House door!

Hello all,

Thought she was born in Oakland?

Also, are there nude photos of her too??? You know, a girl who would take off her clothes for money will do moore for more money...maybe even marry for money, ay?

You are aware that the First Whore (Lady..buahahaha) was a call girl right when she first came to Murica? Which seems apropos since diddling donnie's granddaddy was a draft dodging pimp right?

minds_I

not tRump 2020