The Search for Trip Weed

[Sam_Skunkman]

Though don't the high CBD strains often come from the sativa (NLD if you prefer) branch of the family?

Sativa is hemp and that does not give such high CBD as they are not bred for resin production. Hemp is not NLD, it is NLH.
WLD like bred for Hashish, via resin production does have high CBD individuals as the dry sift resin farmers did not smoke individual plants and could only select for the plants with the most resin, be it THC or CBD.
-SamS

 

[Donn]

OK, fine. Siever's question - "specially if bred for smoking ganja like in Thailand, Mexico, Colombia, Jamaica, India" - does that then probably mean NLD, if that's the term you'd prefer?

My take:
- No, everything on the market - wide leaf or narrow - CBD:THC tends to be 1:100 or less, very roughly.

- Non-THC cannabinoids make a difference anyway even when present in small amounts.

- High CBD strains on the market lately are mostly thoroughly cross bred, but often leaning towards narrow leaf.

- This is a wild tangent because it isn't what he meant - he isn't going to buy a bunch of cannabinoids and try them out - "next, cannabinoid ratios" meant he is looking forward to getting analyses for the leaded/unleaded plants, and comparing cannabinoid values. If they're consistently different with lead, then that would reinforce the smoke reports.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

OK, fine. Siever's question - "specially if bred for smoking ganja like in Thailand, Mexico, Colombia, Jamaica, India" - does that then probably mean NLD, if that's the term you'd prefer?

Yes until we learn something that makes us think different I go with Hillig and Clarke and call (Sativas) NLH.

My take:
- No, everything on the market - wide leaf or narrow - CBD:THC tends to be 1:100 or less, very roughly.

Except for NLH, and WLD, and their hybrids. The NLH often have very much more CBD then THC but not 1:100 and they are not really on the market they are not smoked, the WLD can have individuals with high CBD and little THC, the hybrids we know can have much more CBD if bred for that, or be 1:1 if bred for that.


- Non-THC cannabinoids make a difference anyway even when present in small amounts.

Have you tried this or are you just guessing? I say most do not. And none make THC better to get higher. I have done this with the top 10 Cannabinoids.
-SamS

- High CBD strains on the market lately are mostly thoroughly cross bred, but often leaning towards narrow leaf.

They can get the CBD from NLH or from WLD, they may also need a drug variety in the mix to up the resin levels.

- This is a wild tangent because it isn't what he meant - he isn't going to buy a bunch of cannabinoids and try them out - "next, cannabinoid ratios" meant he is looking forward to getting analyses for the leaded/unleaded plants, and comparing cannabinoid values. If they're consistently different with lead, then that would reinforce the smoke reports.

Maybe that is what he meant I was not sure, and to do it that way can be done, but I would prefer to not consume lead, so I hope they use Cannabinoids rather then lead altered Cannabis for anything they smoke. For analytical testing it does not matter if it has lead or not.
And by the way most Cannabinoids do not get you high and most do not alter the effects of smoked Cannabis high in THC, I only know of three that do. Terpenes of the right kind do make THC stronger and alter effects.
-SamS

 

[ThaiBliss]

Time for bud shots. This is Panama Haze (Green):

The Jamaican Ganja is showing some spots where resin is building. Not like the Panama, but something:

 

[ThaiBliss]

Punto Rojo:

 

[Mustafunk]

Nice pictures guys. Little update on the Zamal GN Collection keeper, it's starting to reek already:

Looks like a creeper octopus! I can't imagine what this plant could do in a bigger container or open soil.

Besides the weird flowering behaviour, the plant wasn't fully autoflowering, so I started forcing it at 11/13, a normal photoperiod for a tropical strain. Since then, it started progressing slowly but firmly.

Vibes.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks for posting that beauty here. I had been meaning to ask you, since I saw your Tom Hill's Haze etc. pictures on the RUST thread, if you are growing outside using some sort of light deprivation system?

You are doing a great job with some great strains.



ThaiBliss

 

[Mustafunk]

are growing outside using some sort of light deprivation system?

Hey bro, I'm simply using big TV or fridge cardboard boxes to cover the plants everyday at 7pm. Simple yet effective.

Of course you need to be available and use moderated sized plants thought... but works for me and I can grow anything I want outdoors and make the most of the summertime!

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Hey bro, I'm simply using big TV or fridge cardboard boxes to cover the plants everyday at 7pm. Simple yet effective.

Of course you need to be available and use moderated sized plants thought... but works for me and I can grow anything I want outdoors and make the most of the summertime!

Hey, how many thousand can you grow like that? What if it rains? You did say anything you want.....
A hoop greenhouse or greenhouses can be automated with timers and darkening. You can even have the system re-open most of the night to avoid high humidity inside the darkened greenhouse.
-SamS

 

[Thcvhunter]

Hey, how many thousand can you grow like that? What if it rains? You did say anything you want.....
A hoop greenhouse or greenhouses can be automated with timers and darkening. You can even have the system re-open most of the night to avoid high humidity inside the darkened greenhouse.
-SamS

Sorry Sam, not everybody is funded by the Gmen like you to be able to build automated greenhouses.
Some of us have to make do with being patients who can barely afford enough to eat.
Mustafunk's life hack using boxes is absolutely brilliant and uber helpful to the medical community.
He just explained to us how we can harvest year round on the CHEAP.

Thank Mustafunk, as always

 

[satva]

Hey buddy, can you spare me a thousand refrigerator boxes? . hehehe

Greenhouses are the way to grow in Colorado. Easier in the early spring, late fall, early winter. Too much sun and too hot for summertime growing under glass unless you are in Colorado high country that gets cool temperatures ~ 40 degrees Fahrenheit on summer nights. For wintertime harvest I'd make a 6 mill plastic skylight on those boxes and have fabric painters tarps to cover the boxes on before snow and hard freezes.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Sorry Sam, not everybody is funded by the Gmen like you to be able to build automated greenhouses.
Some of us have to make do with being patients who can barely afford enough to eat.
Mustafunk's life hack using boxes is absolutely brilliant and uber helpful to the medical community.
He just explained to us how we can harvest year round on the CHEAP.

Thank Mustafunk, as always

Thcvhunter,
I am not funded by anyone, I took my own money and spent it on the R&D. Please stick to posting things that you know something about so you don't post lies or rumors and make yourself look foolish. Your agenda is obvious.
I liked his post and think it is fine for people to use if it helps them.
BTW his method is not for year round, unless no snow, rain, you also need small plants, and as he said be around. Maybe you need long photoperiod to veg the plants big enough before flowering in the ground?
-SamS

 

[RandyCalifornia]

How about informing the community about those three terpenes that can alter effects Sam, that would be a MAJOR CONTRIBUTION.

 

[Skinny Leaf]

How about informing the community about those three terpenes that can alter effects Sam, that would be a MAJOR CONTRIBUTION.

The three cannabinoids, not terpenes. CBD would definitely be one. I'm sure somewhere on this forum he has told the other two. Probably, CBG and CBN. I know he has spoke of CBD effects with THC quite a bit.
As far as terpene and THC interaction I would agree with Sam. Usually the stronger the scents put off by marijuana the stronger the effects are. Now I did have a Big Haze from CrazyX that had very little smell, but, would rock my world for a good solid 4 hours. So, the Big Haze may have been more of a cannabinoid reaction than terpene effect. If I had a lab terpenes would be my main focus.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

CBD, CBN, THCV, CBC to a lesser degree modify THC. Maybe CBDV? I would guess yes.
-SamS

 

[Donn]

Some people seem to be convinced that CBG makes a difference, if only by smoothing out paranoia, anxiety, tension etc.

 

[ThaiBliss]

How about informing the community about those three terpenes that can alter effects Sam, that would be a MAJOR CONTRIBUTION.

I second this. I would particularly want to know what terpenes might most be associated with delayed reaction, and long lasting trippy effects. The delayed reaction and longevity of the high have been the hallmarks for trip weed in my experience, for the most part. This subject would be squarely on topic, though to be clear, I don't mind when the subject strays some.

Thanks in advance Sam,

ThaiBliss

 

[satva]

Destroyer x Highland Mexican (DS x HMBB)

Destroyer x Highland Mexican (DS x HMBB)

[Destroyer] Seeds are [DS x (DS x HMBB)]

DS x HMBB - HMBB dominate

DS x HMBB - "Red Hair" Mexican dominate high! The winner!!

Sweet high ~ better than her mother.

[(Colombian Gold x Jamacian Lambsbread) x (Colombian Gold)] bottom 2 branches ~ 1/4 of the male plant in flower.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Seriously gorgeous bud:

I'm glad you found a great one.


ThaiBliss

 

[Lesnah]

^Gorgeous, looks like the sun when setting.