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The Search for Trip Weed

Riddleme

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My TF69 X Zamaldelica startin to bud :biggrin:
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Sam_Skunkman

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Send a bud to a friend in Calif or Colorado have them test it for you.
THCV is tested for at some labs in Calif and Colorado, but I don't think you want any THCV. It does not make weed any more trippy, like the right terpenes + THC does. But to each their own, some like CBD+THC for recreational use, but I do not at all. If it is for medical use then I have nothing to say, find it.
Be careful of the place with the cheapest prices for lab tests you want the best tests not the cheapest.
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-24133-testing_trainwreck.html

-SamS


I am looking to find a place in Western Washington that tests for thcv for cheap
 

Donn

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Article from Steep Hill on THCV, THCV: The Sports Car of Cannabinoids.

I have the impression that Cannatest on Bainbridge does THCV, but could be wrong, and no idea about their pricing.

Along the lines of Sam's point about cheap labs, I've read claims that some labs are unable to reliably identify CBC, because it overlaps too much with another cannabinoid on their test plots. The cause of variation in the Willamette Week article is open to question - a number of comments point out that you naturally aren't going to get identical numbers from sampling bits of plant material anyway - but you can at least be informed on the kind of analysis you're paying for.
 
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ThaiBliss

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Yet ethanol is a down high.

Yes ethanol would be broadly considered down. The down that I would more narrowly define as couch-lock, is very different to me. It makes my limbs feel heavy and tired. I feel like I really need to sleep but often cannot because I am at the same time high. It is torturous to me. I would consider most Colombian strains I have smoked to be narcotic, another more narrow definition of down, but not couch-lock. These make me relaxed and feel floaty. My limbs feel like rising up, but I'm too content and relaxed to give into it. It is only if I drink too much alcohol do I feel like I need sleep, usually the next day.

Wouldn't myrcene would be typically be present at much lower levels than THC, pharmacologically speaking? More of a conditioner than a principle effect.

It may be the term catalyst that may be appropriate here. I very small amount of one thing, as a percentage, can sometimes multiply the effect of another thing. Perhaps myrcene can be a catalyst for the effect of CBD. Making up an fictional example, .001% of mrycene can make .1% of CBD feel like 3.0% of CBD. THC is still the principle effect. Perhaps CBD is the modifier or conditioner.

This is Sam's expertise. I'm not really qualified to discuss, and therefore may be totally wrong. LOL. Sam... can you direct us to what you think might be the best publication of a study with the basics of what you believe are how terpenes are modifying the effects of THC? You probably already have, but reposting gently and repeatedly might get more of us to pay attention to it. There is definitely interest. Many people don't read entire threads, they just pick it up if something posted strikes their fancy, and we keep asking the same questions. I'm as guilty as anyone.

People who have a long history of a wide variety of strains usually settle in on a some variety of preferences that they will seek out. I'm an old fart. When I started out, the only things I was finding were racy trippy strains (Thai Sticks; Jamaican Ganja), relaxing narcotic strains (Colombians), and the occasional very clean energetic cerebral strains (fine Mexicans). I learned how to cope with the raciness. For me, a tolerance builds up quickly to that racy feeling, but the high stays strong. That is why Thai Sticks are the gold standard of what I'm looking for. I did not ever have a couch lock strain until I had been smoking for 10 years. It was so unusual and tasty that I loved it at first. Especially since I would feel high almost instantly. Over time I found that these new WLD strains from Afghanistan were fast acting but had a low ceiling. I could only get so high on them before wanting to pass out from the energy draining effects. It is easier for me to deal with raciness than it is for couch-lock.

I suspect someone who grew up on couch-lock strains are shocked at a powerful and racy strain. It is not what they are expecting or wanting, and they do not take the time to realize that a tolerance builds up quick to the raciness. If they smoke some of this with the intent to "relax" with couch-lock, and they stay up all night and can't sleep, they might wonder why anyone would ever want this (to relax).

Of course it all comes down to what customers will spring for. Some real sophistication in the market is going to make a big difference, and it seems like there should be ways to foster that but haven't really hit on anything.

There are many culturally learned preferences. I'm old enough to remember when most coffee sold in the U.S. was total crap. Now there are espresso kiosks every mile, with beans from all over the world. Same thing with wine and micro brew beer. The variety and sophistication of consumers has changed dramatically in my lifetime.

I think Red Rider has a capital idea with a bed and breakfast traditional Colombian Cannabis resort. Destination resorts with guidance and samplings of wares will introduce exotics to a population of consumers who will spread the knowledge. It will take time.

I'm probably wrong, but I would have said the CBD levels of WLD and NLD strains mostly overlap -- maybe fewer WLD around 0.01%, and just casting around I see one with 0.4% and no such NLD, but lots of both around 0.2%. I have one mostly-CBD strain for the sake of science, and there's no couch-lock in that.

I think you are correct. People usually speak in broad generalizations to save time. I think the range of CBD levels is even more wide. I've seen CBD results as low as 0.01%.

I'm rambling again,

ThaiBliss
 
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Donald Mallard

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Sounds like ill be heading to red riders b and b ,
great idea , i ve had similar thoughts...

Do you think the first pot that got us high and the type of high it gave more like what we end up preferring ??

Ive noted most older folks prefer the thai , colombians etc , what they started with,
the younger crew seem to like those hard hitting couch lock types , they were raised on them..
 

satva

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the basics of what you believe is how terpenes are affecting the effects of THC?
That's the effects of THC, right there!! <vbg>

Which terpenes do you like?

Aromas and corresponding high from vaporization that I like"

Guava/Mango/Orange/Lavender - Destroyer (Thai),
Rose/Perfume/Wintergreen/ Temple Incense - Highland Mexican
Temple Incense - Nepalese hash
Guava/Mango/Orange/Pine - Punto Rojo flowers

Citrus/Spice/Peper/Frankincense - Mango Haze,
 

ThaiBliss

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the basics of what you believe is how terpenes are affecting the effects of THC?
That's the effects of THC, right there!! <vbg>

LOL. I gave it another crack.

Which terpenes do you like?

Aromas and corresponding high from vaporization that I like"

Guava/Mango/Orange/Lavender - Destroyer (Thai),
Rose/Perfume/Wintergreen/ Temple Incense - Highland Mexican
Temple Incense - Nepalese hash
Guava/Mango/Orange/Pine - Punto Rojo flowers

Citrus/Spice/Peper/Frankincense - Mango Haze,

Gee Whiz... I have some Mango Haze seeds I need to try!

Donald - Good points. The truth always seems to lie somewhere in between.

ThaiBliss
 

Donn

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YOver time I found that these new WLD strains from Afghanistan were fast acting but had a low ceiling. I could only get so high on them before wanting to pass out from the energy draining effects. It is easier for me to deal with raciness than it is for couch-lock.

I have tended to steer clear of this stuff myself and don't have a real good idea what it's about, but ... from your description, it isn't really soporific, and just from some vaguely similar mild effects I wonder if it might be more like a stimulating effect that gets kind of cross wired in a way, so you're plenty conscious but immobilized.
 

Sam_Skunkman

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Article from Steep Hill on THCV, THCV: The Sports Car of Cannabinoids.

I have the impression that Cannatest on Bainbridge does THCV, but could be wrong, and no idea about their pricing.

Along the lines of Sam's point about cheap labs, I've read claims that some labs are unable to reliably identify CBC, because it overlaps too much with another cannabinoid on their test plots. The cause of variation in the Willamette Week article is open to question - a number of comments point out that you naturally aren't going to get identical numbers from sampling bits of plant material anyway - but you can at least be informed on the kind of analysis you're paying for.

CBC overlaps with CBD on a GC, until fairly recently this was a major problem, the solution is to buy several different columns for the GC, one longer one for CBC and one for the rest of the Cannabinoids. Our GC had two columns on it and you could have the sample auto injected into either or both, problem solved.
Most of the labs worldwide in the early to late 80's were using one column and they were lumping all the CBC into the CBD totals.
-SamS
 

satva

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Gee Whiz... I have some Mango Haze seeds I need to try!

Highland Mexican (HMBB) is a similar effect. HMBB is stronger, cleaner, more psychedelic, with a great energy flow. Smoking Mango Haze all day is like a roller coaster, up and down. The comedown from Mango Haze is heavier, or dirty compared to HMBB.

Mango Haze has a " Colombian dreamy narcotic" effect even in long flowering pheno-types. It could be Afghanistan genetics shining thru, but Mango Haze long flowering pheno-types feel more indica, than Destroyer or Highland Mexican.

Early 1970's Colombian, that came thru New York City, was strong, intense, cerebral, energetic, and psychedelic. By Late 1970's commercial Colombian was " as you say" - dreamy and narcotic.

I'll be disappointed if Punto Rojo and Colombian Gold are "dreamy and narcotic".
 
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Donald Mallard

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I didnt find that with mango haze satva ,
maybe grow outdoors the affect is different ,
i found it very euphoric, definitely not dreamy and narcotic ,
the afghan haze was dreamy and narcotic , but the mango haze i grew wasnt like that at all, quite a different animal ...

Was the stuff you had grown indoors or outdoor ??
 

yoss33

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Euphoric and "dreamy and narcotic" are not very far away. I usually find the lower immature buds are euphoric and the tops, as more mature, are dreamy and narcotic.
 

Elmer Bud

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G`day Wal

Yep I can vouch for Mango Hz as well .
Tried yours , FX Dread`s, and grown my own .

I have also sampled the old school Haze cuts from Sth Holland C5 , AG13 , NHz . Good Mango Hz is more uplifting and clear than the 50 / 50 Hz / Indica hybrids .

Good Mango Hz is as close to ecstasy I have experienced in herbal form .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
 

SpaceJunkOG

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African Black Magic / Tanzanian

African Black Magic / Tanzanian

in 116 pages of this thread, this has probably been covered before, but i didn't read every single page so forgive me if this is very old news:

A lot of "trip weed" that I've personally come in contact with / enjoyed was in Africa, and now that I'm older and know the process behind it and the science, I think a lot of the affect can be attributed to a very unorthadox cure.

I remember smoking some stuff in Tanzania in the mid 90's, I was young but had been smoking for some time, and I was convinced it was laced with something. Now, I know it wasn't, but it's still the most psychedelic weed I've ever smoked. They just called it "bangi" back then (that's just what everybody called weed over there i guess), not by a specific strain name, but it was in corn cobs and these kids I was with were rolling huge fat joints out of it. I would be in a full-on vortex off 1 or 2 hits, seeing things that weren't there, I had experimented with acid already by then and didn't like psychedelics actually, I always seemed to have bad trips, but this stuff was FUN.

Reading some more into it recently, it turns out the mythical "African Black Magic" or Congo Black that so many people refer to as the holy grail of trip weed including DJS in his book, was black because of the way they cured it: wrapped in goats skin and buried in manure or dirt for a couple months (i did not hear this from a Congolese tribesman, I read it on the internet, so i'm just regurgitating here). Essentially it fermented, and some other processes happened, and the weed took on a whole new effect (and turned an almost black color). Some people say it grows mold and the mold is contributing to the effect (sounds plausible), some people say it "changes the cannabinoid profile," (the way they sun-dry it definitely must deteriorate THC and create a lot of CBN), some people say it simply just makes it much more potent than a traditional cure, and some people think there's a very complex set of organic processes that occur that completely change the chemical structure of the drug and attribute to the more "psychedelic" experience, down to the tribal / ritualistic aspect of the goat skin. It would certainly be interesting to have it tested in a lab wouldn't it?!

But I think it's worth mentioning that the curing process is a big part of what is known to make many African strains so trippy (even though many of them are pretty trippy to start). I've smoked African herb in Africa, and I've grown / cured (in jars)/ smoked African herb here at home, and it was a very different experience, much less psychedelic. Of course this is strain-dependent and age-dependent and many other factors, and I still prefer African herb over most other varieties even grown indoors at home, but when smoked IN Africa, after being cured traditionally IN Africa, that psychedelic effect was much more pronounced. I am suspecting more and more that it was the cure that caused this effect. My experiences were all in Kenya and Tanzania, not in major cities but out in the bush with my father who was buying from Tanzanite mines at the time, bartering with the Maasai on rough stone prices. It was very "real" Africa, that's for sure. I think this is why 20 years into my weed-smoking 'career' i still am obsessed with African strains and am still trying to find that holy grail I experienced in Tanzania.

Again, apologies if this curing topic has been covered in the last 116 pages, enjoy my nostalgic musings about Tanzania if you gathered nothing else of value from this post. :)
 

Elmer Bud

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G`day SJO

How long did you abstain from cannabis before you smoked in Tanzania ?
More than 3 -4 days break and tolerance becomes a factor . Add mind set and setting and things can get freaky .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
 

SpaceJunkOG

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G`day SJO

How long did you abstain from cannabis before you smoked in Tanzania ?
More than 3 -4 days break and tolerance becomes a factor . Add mind set and setting and things can get freaky .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Those are all definitely important factors, i tried to take them into account when recanting the experience, as I've had some near-psychedelic experiences on "normal weed" after taking a tolerance break (but generally not pleasant ones). I was an every day smoker at the time, and we had a 2-day layover in Amsterdam on the way to TZ, I was underage but it wasn't too hard to score a joint from somebody there while I was off on my own exploring, just 1 though. Within a few nights of arriving in Tanzania I had met these kids whose parents worked in the gem trade with my dad and I was itching to smoke so they took me out and showed me the light. literally.

So i probably went a good 3 - 7 days between A-dam and Tanzania without smoking, and I definitely don't discount that when recanting the experience. For me that plays more into the tolerance factor - the fact that I was completely mashed off 2 hits. But the effect was still like nothing I ever had experienced before or since, even after long breaks, and we were usually smoking hazes and mexican brick back in Cali which was pretty stimulating stuff at least to me at that time.
 

satva

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Mango Haze

Mango Haze

all indoor grown........

Mango Haze A

mango

HIghland mexican x BB

Mango Haze C

Mango Haze aromas of the vapors are lime/citrus/pine/frankincense.

Frankincense incense is citrus, resin, spice

I've grown five sativa dominate pheno-types of Mango Haze (MH). I select for thin leaf sativa traits and cull plants with indica traits. I crossed four pheno-types to a Highland Mexican HMBB (Highland Guerrero) dominate male. Highland Mexican is stronger, more energetic, wilder, and more psychedelic than Mango Haze.

How I labeled them:

mango ~ 13.5 week flowering, the most indica effect. Smells very sweet and strong in flower. Smell in the jar is dead on mango fruit. Thicker leaves.

Mango A ~ 15 week flowering. Smells citrus in flower. Smell in the jar is citrus/cedar/pine. The effect is spacious, with a wonderful energy flow and sense of well being with some stone. Symmetrical branching. Thin leaves.

Mango B ~ 13 weeks flowering. Smell in the jar is floral. The effect is calmer, clearer, and less psychedelic. Haven't sampled this one much, but effect has the spacious quality similar to Mango C. Symmetrical branching.

Mango C ~ +17 weeks. Smell in flowering is very sweet perfume/rose/orange blossom. Smell in the jar is pure lemon / floral. The effect is clear, clam sophisticated, uplifting spacious, with a sense of well being. Similar to the effect of some Thailand marijuana. Almost no stone in the head or body. The high's primary effect is a sense of well being. Asymmetrical branching, haze structure with very thin leaves.

Mango Haze 1 ~ 16 weeks. Smell in the jar cedar/incense/citrus. The effect is strong, spacious, psychedelic, with a good energy flow. The energy has a wave like rolling vibration in the head - other than that - the effect is clear <vbg>. Not as clear, calm and focused as Mango C. Symmetrical branching with long thin leaves. The effect is similar to a Colombian haze. Mango Haze -1 / HMBB x HMBB f2 seeded flowers are almost done. MH-1/HMBB x HMBB inherited the worst of both parents. Grows like a wispy haze with wispy flower-tops, not sure how it smokes.

Mango C / HMBB will be crossed to Destroyer ( Highland Meao Thai dominate pheno-type). Lemoncello Thai domainte x Highland Thai woody/cedar/sage. Destroyer (good name) is much stronger than Mango C, but with a similar clear and concentrated effect. Not partially strong or psychedelic, but a wonderful uplifting effect. Mango C is cleaner and calmer than Destroyer, but should mate well with my favorite Destroyer (Highland Thai dominate) pheno-types.

Highland Meao Thai and Highland Guerrero dominate pheno-types, in general have an old school effect ~ raw, natural ceiling-less, strong psychedelic energy. Mango haze effect has a tamer sense of well being, well rounded sophisticated effect, and not as strong. These two should make good mates for Mango Haze. By comparison the effect of Mango Haze has a sophisticated sense of well being, with more indica effects, and with less raw energy, and a ceiling to the high.
 

satva

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Thaibliss, since you're thinking about it - this one's for you, albeit a repost.
Chimera's Highland Mexican f1.



Destroyer (Meao Hmong Highland Thai phenotypes) high is cleaner, more spacious, and cerebral than Highland Mexican. Highland Mexican is more feel good euphoric. Highland Mexican high was wonderful free-flowing energy with heighten sensory awareness.

Chimera's Highland Mexican Highland Guerrero x Blueberry Smoke / vaporization report.

Highland Guerrero x Blueberry (HMBB) -(blue and green flower) Highland Mexican is very psychedelic. Energy, and especially sunlight dance all over the place. Heightened sensory awareness, magnetic attraction to the earth and your world is magical. Or as Don Juan would say " Seeing."

Vaporizing on low medium and hot the vapors taste - Rose Perfume/ Temple incense / Lime are terpenes I taste from low to hot. rose first. the high has some "old school" magic, strong energy connections to your senses, everything you see in pure sunlight is magical, you might say trippy.

This pheno represents the hybrid 13 - 14 weeks flowering. Wispy haze like flower stalks. Cured + 9 months.

The high is heady felt around the eyes. Energy is expansive from the chest to the top of the head. My heart rate is increasing and the high is an excellent compliment for outdoor activities, hiking, biking, swimming, gardening, yoga, and the arts (music or painting).

HMBB high has a rolling vibration, waves of energy, and the increased heart rate are psychedelic. The high is euphoric with a nice energy flow that's magical at times. I like magic! My sense and awareness are heightened, colors are brighter, the sky is bluer, trailing images, and flashes out of the corners of my eyes - music sounds better. The high is warm, feel good, creative free flowing energy - things just start to happen.

The high does not increase mental activity. Thoughts and energy flow like a river -euphoric, expansive, sensory perceptions are intensified and psychedelic.

There is a connected energy to your world, sunlight, clouds, and the sky appear magical - similar to Don Juan's concept of seeing. (Seeing = an energetic and direct connection to your world and environment). HMBB has a connoisseur high - a favorite summertime smoke.
 

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