The Search for Trip Weed

[Riddleme]

Hi Riddleme,

Thanks for sharing your experiments. I'm not sure you are going to get many converts calling it your leaded experiments. LOL It certainly may be lead, but Azomite has lots of other minor and micro nutrients in it, including strong amounts of calcium. I believe calcium is a part of the THC molecular structure, or possibly in one of the precursors, if my memory serves me. Perhaps Sam would like to chime in as he seems to be very knowledgeable in chemistry.

I'm giving it a try by adding it to my regiment since volcanic soils have been frequently mentioned as favorable to high grade Cannabis sources. I cut off anything with nitrogen in it back in early July. I have been giving some ancient bird guano (0-8-1), Azomite, Sulphate of Potash (50% Potash, 17% Sulfur) and Magnesium Sulfate (Epsom Salt), all in very small doses as per usual. I don't want to risk killing any worms with it, which may be necessary to turn this ground up rock into something that the plants can readily absorb. I start out the year with about a foot deep of compost. The worms and other micro organisms have that down to about 6 to 8 inches now. B.T.W., compost in general is supposed to be a source of sulfur. My plants are darker green now than when I was boosting the nitrogen levels in the soil. They also look like they might start flowering earlier than last year. In another month, I'll be watering more infrequently, and flushing the heck out of the plants when I do water.

ThaiBliss

Well I am actually feedin em Lead Sulfate to mimic the White Sulfur Hot Springs that flows thru the Kullu Valley. I am not lookin for converts, just wanted to prove/disprove the theory that the prevalence of lead in the atmosphere in the 60's & 70's was a component of trippy weed.

In my theory, our plants evolved genetically to defend itself against the prevalence of lead during those several decades. That this defense response played a part in the trippy weed we all love and remember and that 2 things happened in the early 80's that diminished it. The shift to indoor grows due to HPS lights and the new Indica Hybrids and the shift to unleaded gas.

My experience with Azomite is that enhances the terpene profile more than anything else, Azomite alone does not seem to invoke the genetic lead defense response, but does improve the overall smoking experience for sure.

 

[pinkus]

Holy FUCK! keep your heavy metal tainted weed away from me!


lead is NOT a benign substance. seriously, be careful!!!

 

[Only Ornamental]

Oh my!! He already smoked too much of that crap and got his brain fried. Seriously, Riddlem, you sound delusional... a sign of lead intoxication...

 

[Riddleme]

Totally understand the concern but I've done the research and ALL the pot we smoked back then was leaded (and I smoked a lot of it) Also the stuff that comes from the Kullu Valley (some of the best pot in the world) is leaded.



I also found the research that was done for regular farmers to protect crops from lead, there is a lot of scientific work that was done on this and if you have a medium high in Mag & K it reduces the plants ability to uptake lead.



Also done the growing test, givin different plants different amounts to determine the minimum to invoke the genetic response, which is actually a very small amount and if ya check you'll see that OMRI those fine organic folks allow up to 300 ppm of lead in ALL the stuff WE eat



I did not just do this on a whim

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Totally understand the concern but I've done the research and ALL the pot we smoked back then was leaded (and I smoked a lot of it) Also the stuff that comes from the Kullu Valley (some of the best pot in the world) is leaded.

Not true, can you show analysis that prove the lead % of pot that was all leaded? I smoked Mexican, Colombian, Thai, Kerala, as well as hash from many countries and you say they all had lead? Any proof at all? If you think that Kulu valley has some of the best herb in the world, I would disagree but do you have any references that show the lead levels in Kulu Cannnabis?
-SamS

I also found the research that was done for regular farmers to protect crops from lead, there is a lot of scientific work that was done on this and if you have a medium high in Mag & K it reduces the plants ability to uptake lead.

Then why add it to soil?

Also done the growing test, givin different plants different amounts to determine the minimum to invoke the genetic response, which is actually a very small amount and if ya check you'll see that OMRI those fine organic folks allow up to 300 ppm of lead in ALL the stuff WE eat

WTF??? genetic response???

I did not just do this on a whim

Lead sulfate is toxic by inhalation, ingestion and skin contact. It is a cumulative poison, and repeated exposure may lead to anemia, kidney damage, eyesight damage or damage to the central nervous system (especially in children). It is also corrosive - contact with the eyes can lead to severe irritation or burns. Typical threshold limit value (above which the substance is harmful) is 0.15 mg/m3.

 

[idiit]

out outa the box thinking though. i'm not going there but if we keep all doing the same shit....

his dope. as long as he's taking responsibility and letting anyone who smokes it know.

like I said; i'm not doing it. interested in feedback from riddleme.

here's tangwena great thread on cob curing: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=309172

on with da search!

 

[Riddleme]

Totally understand the concern but I've done the research and ALL the pot we smoked back then was leaded (and I smoked a lot of it) Also the stuff that comes from the Kullu Valley (some of the best pot in the world) is leaded.

Not true, can you show analysis that prove the lead % of pot that was all leaded? I smoked Mexican, Colombian, Thai, Kerala, as well as hash from many countries and you say they all had lead? Any proof at all? If you think that Kulu valley has some of the best herb in the world, I would disagree but do you have any references that show the lead levels in Kulu Cannnabis?
-SamS

I also found the research that was done for regular farmers to protect crops from lead, there is a lot of scientific work that was done on this and if you have a medium high in Mag & K it reduces the plants ability to uptake lead.

Then why add it to soil?

Also done the growing test, givin different plants different amounts to determine the minimum to invoke the genetic response, which is actually a very small amount and if ya check you'll see that OMRI those fine organic folks allow up to 300 ppm of lead in ALL the stuff WE eat

WTF??? genetic response???

I did not just do this on a whim

Lead sulfate is toxic by inhalation, ingestion and skin contact. It is a cumulative poison, and repeated exposure may lead to anemia, kidney damage, eyesight damage or damage to the central nervous system (especially in children). It is also corrosive - contact with the eyes can lead to severe irritation or burns. Typical threshold limit value (above which the substance is harmful) is 0.15 mg/m3.

Sam, I did not post to create an argument and I respect all that you have given our community. This is an experiment to merely prove or disprove a theory I had based on my research for a book I am writing.

TB was aware of this experiment and asked me to keep him informed which I did.

No one that has smoked the pot that was fed lead was misinformed they were all aware of the experiment and no one is smoking ounces of it, we are merely smokin A joint with and without to compare the differences and to see if it makes the weed trippy ,,,,,, which it does with every strain I have done it on thus far.

the genetic response thing is the theory please read my above post (or 2 back)

 

[Donn]

Yes, good for you for going out on the limb and trying it.

I think you might be able to explain the genetic response thing a little better, but it might be just as well to set it aside. I mean, your hypothesis is (I think) that the plant responds to lead in some pharmacologically significant way. Does it matter if that's a defense? Lead may not be injurious to plants, for all I know.

It also seems to raise the question of whether all cannabis has this trait, if recently evolved?

It would be hard for me to worry about lead inhalation under the circumstances, but might be a little concerned about where the lead-enhanced soil eventually goes.

 

[Riddleme]

Yes, good for you for going out on the limb and trying it.

I think you might be able to explain the genetic response thing a little better, but it might be just as well to set it aside. I mean, your hypothesis is (I think) that the plant responds to lead in some pharmacologically significant way. Does it matter if that's a defense? Lead may not be injurious to plants, for all I know.

It also seems to raise the question of whether all cannabis has this trait, if recently evolved?

It would be hard for me to worry about lead inhalation under the circumstances, but might be a little concerned about where the lead-enhanced soil eventually goes.

I grow in peat and reuse it, I run boiling water thru it to clean it

and you're right the actual science is yet to be discovered so my theory could go different directions

Lead is detrimental to plants at high doses, same as humans

I am feeding very low doses

 

[waveguide]

lead sulfate gets all the credit, but it's rhythm sulfate that holds it all together.

 

[MostlyMe]

You have a very strange concept of 'proof', Riddleme. And when challenged, you 'don't want to start an argument'. I am sure you are a nice guy and all, but I got to be honest with you: that book isn't going to be worth the paper.

 

[joe2]

lead sulfate gets all the credit, but it's rhythm sulfate that holds it all together.

lol

 

[Riddleme]

You have a very strange concept of 'proof', Riddleme. And when challenged, you 'don't want to start an argument'. I am sure you are a nice guy and all, but I got to be honest with you: that book isn't going to be worth the paper.

I have yet to prove anything, this experiment is still in its early stages. I have merely reported that the initial results look promising.

It is my understanding that growing 2 clones from the same mom, in the same garden with the only difference being one gets fed lead and one doesn't and everything else is the same and then having 30 people smoke the two samples and report on the differences is an appropriate test. That the 30 testers blindly and unanimously picked the leaded sample as the best, most intense, most potent and most trippy is somehow flawed

Next will be to have them tested by a lab and look for differences in the cannibanoid profile and then test for altered markers in the DNA profile and yes of course test for the presence of lead

As for arguing? Tis not my favorite thing. A good debate can be interesting but the truth is I lost a dear friend this weekend in a bike accident and I was not in the mood to argue about a project/experiment that just started.

I guess it is a good thing that the book will be digital, that no trees will be killed to publish it. Not pimpin the book, no one here needs to buy it, as already stated TB was aware of the experiment and asked me to keep him updated and that was what I did. So as not to upset anyone further I will share future updates via PM

 

[Mronyc]

I thought your lead experiment was very interesting, i liked a lot your other methods ass well.

 

[ThaiBliss]

All:

I encouraged Riddleme to post what he is working on to spread knowledge and so that people would challenge him, in part for his own safety. His experiments with lead sulfate are alarming to me also. I think it is perfectly valid and healthy to ask for him to post details and express concern. But to attack his work without any knowledge of the details just because he is reluctant to post them is out of line, and will do little to persuade him of what I can only assume is your concern for him and his testers.

Riddleme - I'm guilty also, and I apologize for this: "I'm not sure you are going to get many converts calling it your leaded experiments. LOL"

I admire your willingness to think out of the box. It is amazing to me that so many are unwilling to do so. I posted publically that I believe that there are other factors in your experiments that your increased potency could be attributed to, for instance, sulfur, which you have already identified as something you believe as giving positive results, and calcium.

Focusing on lead is scaring everyone, and for good reason. I don't believe that there is a "safe" level of lead, and I have posted privately I don't believe any government posted level of safety is valid. Please use extreme caution.

Sulfur is also poisonous. It is also vital to plants in low doses. Remember sulfur and copper is used to kill insects on trees in the form of dormant spray. For this, there seems to be a balance to be found.

I also posted privately to Riddleme that I believe extremely trippy weed can be grown, indoors no less, without extra ingredients other than commonly found hydroponic fertilizers. I was able to achieve this with a special Haze individual that I once found. I used very low doses of commercial fertilizer, in combination with low doses of what people would consider organic fertilizer.

Again, please keep calm, civil, and let's try to reason our way through this.

Thanks,

ThaiBliss

 

[Donn]

Maybe going beyond attacks on his work, some of the above could be seen as personal attacks even if that wasn't exactly the intent.

The safe level thing is a difficult problem. No one likes heavy metals, or radiation etc., but we're naturally and unavoidably exposed to them anyway - the earth and sky are radioactive, dirt naturally has traces of heavy metals. So life turns out to be unsafe.

 

[yoss33]

I'm not sure how toxic smoking plant matter containing lead salts is, maybe not much, as only a tiny percent of the heavy salts will be caught up in the smoke, the rest will remain in the ash.
But just the thought that I'm smoking something with more lead is enough to make the weed.... trippier

And while lead sounds like one of the least desirable ways to stress a plant, it could theoretically affect cannabinoid production, and why not result in the synthesis of a new cannabinoid due to malfunctioning of enzymes. Here's a nice read - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21541849 and just the last sentence from the abstract - "In addition, activation of various antioxidants to combat increased production of lead-induced ROS constitutes a secondary defense system.".
But this doesn't sound natural at all. Sounds like some LEADED synthetic Spice crap.
You definitely don't need this to grow high quality weed.

Here's a nice read on essential oils production in plants and what affects it: http://www.scielo.br/pdf/bjpp/v22n2/v22n2a03.pdf
And a quote from it:
"In a comprehensive review about essential oil production
regulation Sangwan et al. (2001) indicated ontogeny,
photosynthetic rate, photoperiod, light quality, climatic and
seasonal changes, nutrition, humidity, salinity, temperature,
storage structures and growth regulators as factors that alter
quantitatively and qualitatively the production of this class of
compounds."

 

[buttyrekka]

@riddleme
i cant believe that someone would intentionally feed a plant lead.
i really have no idea why?.drug trials have allways used placebo's why have'nt you?you are testing for what?trippyness?
lead poisening is real,you could potentionaly be poisening 50% of your "test subjects".you do not know what intentionally feeding plants low doses of poison does to human physiology,or whether it's effects could be retained/multiplied with extended repeated doses.
your tests/experiments/trials for trippyness seem a tad reckless.
I dont mean to be mean,but most growers started growin with the intention of knowing exactly what we were smokin.organic and all that...
feeding my girls lead seems very scary .

 

[Riddleme]

I have questions and I seek answers and I share it, what can I say

I have been to a doctor 3 times in the last 26 years, 2 were physicals and in 05 I broke my wrist in a fall, had to get a cast. I am a 2 or 3 pack a day cigarette smoker and have been for over 40 years, I have also smoked pot for over 40 years. During my last physical I had to do the lung test suck a ball in a tube thing, I pulled it to the top and held it for a minute and the doc said I could stop. He seemed perplexed and asked me again how many packs a day do you smoke. I laughed and said it must be the bong hits.

And I mostly smoked seeded weed, so my mind questions whether seeded weed is more "medical" than unseeded weed. IMO the high is def more complex which is why I prefer it but I couldn't tell ya why ?

and what if leaded weed is the cure for cancer ?

I mean what was the point all those years ago for someone to mix ephedrine with methanol and heat it to a temp where it lost an oxygen molecule ?

I have the pdf that shows they found lead from the atmosphere in the ice at Greenland and that the highest concentrations were in the 60's & 70's and one of the main reasons we switched to unleaded gas was the effect it was having on food crops. Lots of testing was done on lots of crops back then, I have read a lot of it and there were some plants that benefited from small doses of lead, large doses were always detrimental.

We are so far behind in the research and proper scientific study of cannabis because of all these years of prohibition. By me doing these experiments and asking these questions and puttin it out there, perhaps someone with a degree will look into it? I don't know ?

I simply have questions ?

 

[Indika]

Trip Weed .D

i smoke some Double Fun >seeds from Wernard
Genetik from Old Ed Holloway you go very Tripy after the smoke
is strong and psychoactive for long time


lg Indika