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The Search for Trip Weed
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We need a better name for this... how about Sativa Sunrise, Satva Red, Resurrection Red, Sweet Red, Sativa's Red Revenge, Red Mex Thai, Stepping Stone Red (the mother is born), Mother Red...
Something...
If you are sure the looks of it aren't influencing your assessment of the high, compared to the sisters, do it all again, find another, and start a line. Muh hahahahah. It is so beautiful, it would warp my better judgement. Double blind test it with your friends. I volunteer.
ThaiBliss
Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry - A
Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry - A
Hey ThaiBliss, thank you! The photo you like is DS x HMBB - HMBB dominate, named "Perfume Skunk" This is not "Red Hair" The orange coloration was in part due to indoor lighting. That flower looked more crystalline up close under natural light and more gold and yellow than orange.
DS x HMBB - A HMBB dominate - "Perfume Skunk" photograph under indoor lighting.
DS x HMBB - A - HMBB dominate "Perfume Skunk" coloration under sunlight. Sunlight tends to wash out the intensity of the colors.
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On "Perfume Skunk" the lower buds are cured enough 4 months for a proper smoke test. The top flowers are not yet dry / cured enough. The high from the "Perfume Skunk" was cleaner than HMBB. Waiting for a proper cure for a proper smoke test on "Perfume Skunk", but the main goal of increasing the density and yield of HMBB flowers was successful.
Coloration of HMBB - cured over 12 months
Destoyer A - The mother of Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry - A
Destoyer A
Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry - A
Hey ThaiBliss, thank you! The photo you like is DS x HMBB - HMBB dominate, named "Perfume Skunk" This is not "Red Hair" The orange coloration was in part due to indoor lighting. That flower looked more crystalline up close under natural light and more gold and yellow than orange.
DS x HMBB - A HMBB dominate - "Perfume Skunk" photograph under indoor lighting.
DS x HMBB - A - HMBB dominate "Perfume Skunk" coloration under sunlight. Sunlight tends to wash out the intensity of the colors.
On "Perfume Skunk" the lower buds are cured enough 4 months for a proper smoke test. The top flowers are not yet dry / cured enough. The high from the "Perfume Skunk" was cleaner than HMBB. Waiting for a proper cure for a proper smoke test on "Perfume Skunk", but the main goal of increasing the density and yield of HMBB flowers was successful.
Coloration of HMBB - cured over 12 months
Destoyer A - The mother of Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry - A
Destoyer A
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Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry - A
Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry - A
Hey ThaiBliss thanks for all the kind words!
Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry - A ~~~ "Red Hair" the high is Mexican dominate but cleaner, calmer, spacious, and profound, not as trippy or psychedelic as Highland Thai.
I've been smoking these separately and combined.
Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry - A ~~~ "Red Hair" is my new favorite, Mexican + Thai high
"Red Hair"
Destroyer - mother of DS x HMBB -B (Mexican / Colombian dominate) - similar high to "Red Hair"
Yesterday I smoke "Red Hair" in the morning and early afternoon, and then Destroyer shown, similar euphoric, uplifting, energetic, clear, balanced energy and what I call profound. You feel - "As you should be".
Then in early evening, for science, I smoked some Destroyer mother of DS (Thai dominate) - gold coloration. This is the mother of DS x HMBB - B. This is the trippy one! Wow all of a sudden its a new frontier, a new dimension. The Thai dominate high is spacious, other worldly, strong, cerebral, clear, and trippy. You have to be in the mood for this type of high, its more of a trip. You can't smoke too much, too fast it'll Destroy-er you, er me.... long lasting high + 3 hours.
There is a bit of nervous system overload if you smoke this one for a few days. I got a taste of that "tripped out" feeling last night. The cross was a attempt to soften that intensity of the Thai high. It worked well in "Red Hair".
DS x HMBB -B (Thai dominate mother) is untested. DS x HMBB - B uses two different HMBB males.
The high from Destroyer mothers A and B are different. Destroyer -A ~ high is (Mexican / Colombian) and Destroyer -B ~ high is Thai dominate.
Destroyer -B ~ high is Thai dominate.
It will be interesting to compare the high from this Destroyer Thai dominate with Colombian Gold.
I'm just starting to blow smoke from DS x HMBB -A. Proper smoke reports as the HMBB dominate pheno cures properly.
What aromas are your Punto Rojo? Mine are sweet mango/guava/citrus/pine.
Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry - A
Hey ThaiBliss thanks for all the kind words!
Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry - A ~~~ "Red Hair" the high is Mexican dominate but cleaner, calmer, spacious, and profound, not as trippy or psychedelic as Highland Thai.
I've been smoking these separately and combined.
Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry - A ~~~ "Red Hair" is my new favorite, Mexican + Thai high
"Red Hair"
Destroyer - mother of DS x HMBB -B (Mexican / Colombian dominate) - similar high to "Red Hair"
Yesterday I smoke "Red Hair" in the morning and early afternoon, and then Destroyer shown, similar euphoric, uplifting, energetic, clear, balanced energy and what I call profound. You feel - "As you should be".
Then in early evening, for science, I smoked some Destroyer mother of DS (Thai dominate) - gold coloration. This is the mother of DS x HMBB - B. This is the trippy one! Wow all of a sudden its a new frontier, a new dimension. The Thai dominate high is spacious, other worldly, strong, cerebral, clear, and trippy. You have to be in the mood for this type of high, its more of a trip. You can't smoke too much, too fast it'll Destroy-er you, er me.... long lasting high + 3 hours.
There is a bit of nervous system overload if you smoke this one for a few days. I got a taste of that "tripped out" feeling last night. The cross was a attempt to soften that intensity of the Thai high. It worked well in "Red Hair".
DS x HMBB -B (Thai dominate mother) is untested. DS x HMBB - B uses two different HMBB males.
The high from Destroyer mothers A and B are different. Destroyer -A ~ high is (Mexican / Colombian) and Destroyer -B ~ high is Thai dominate.
Destroyer -B ~ high is Thai dominate.
I'm just starting to blow smoke from DS x HMBB -A. Proper smoke reports as the HMBB dominate pheno cures properly.
What aromas are your Punto Rojo? Mine are sweet mango/guava/citrus/pine.
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Great smoke reports satva
Flowering has started on all plants in my garden. First pictures are Nepal Jam:
This is the super skinny leaf Bangi Haze:
This Bangi Haze ^^ just looks full on Sativa to me. It kills me. I can't believe it is flowering as early as the others. Last year's most Sativa looking Bangi Haze was my least favorite smoke, so you never know. Still...
I've been a bit more aggressive with the fertilizer this year (Homebrewer, RandyC). I've been hitting it pretty good with bird guano (0-8-1) potash, azomite, Epsom salt (Riddleme). I kept applying Nitrogen one week later than I normally do, but I could have gone another week or two later. This plant is starting to show the nitrogen fade, but at the same time it's leaf tips are showing a bit of a burn from the other fertilizers. I'm going to back off some. It is due for a flush. I water heavily about once every two weeks. In between these watering's is when I water lightly now and then with some fertilizer solution.
In the spring I build the compost layer up and have bone meal, rock phosphate, kelp, manure, greensand, etc., etc. between the ground and the bottom of the compost layer, where most of the worms are feeding. The plants are heavy feeders and use it up giving me fast growth. I supplement fertilizer solution as a way to exert a little precision of what they are getting at any period in the season.
ThaiBliss
This is the super skinny leaf Bangi Haze:
This Bangi Haze ^^ just looks full on Sativa to me. It kills me. I can't believe it is flowering as early as the others. Last year's most Sativa looking Bangi Haze was my least favorite smoke, so you never know. Still...
I've been a bit more aggressive with the fertilizer this year (Homebrewer, RandyC). I've been hitting it pretty good with bird guano (0-8-1) potash, azomite, Epsom salt (Riddleme). I kept applying Nitrogen one week later than I normally do, but I could have gone another week or two later. This plant is starting to show the nitrogen fade, but at the same time it's leaf tips are showing a bit of a burn from the other fertilizers. I'm going to back off some. It is due for a flush. I water heavily about once every two weeks. In between these watering's is when I water lightly now and then with some fertilizer solution.
In the spring I build the compost layer up and have bone meal, rock phosphate, kelp, manure, greensand, etc., etc. between the ground and the bottom of the compost layer, where most of the worms are feeding. The plants are heavy feeders and use it up giving me fast growth. I supplement fertilizer solution as a way to exert a little precision of what they are getting at any period in the season.
ThaiBliss
HerBnGorE(illa)
Member
Plants are looking happy, Thaibliss. I've been following along and you seem to keep the nep-jam, bangi haze, and sage in "high" regards. Of the three, which would you consider the "keeper" in the quest for "trip" weed?? (And yes, I'm hoping for a long, drawn out answer)
Hi HerBnGorE(illa),
Thanks for following. That is a really hard question, because there are different reasons why I value them so much. For instance, the high of Bangi Haze is energetic, clear, clean, and a touch trippy all the way through from start to ultra clean finish. It is very social, and I think I'm a better person while high on this stuff. Without a doubt, I'm a nicer guy when on this, loving life, and caring for others. Talk about Irie! It is also the earliest outdoors, and that is extremely valuable to someone like me who wants to grow outside for the most part, and who wants to breed my own seeds. I would be devastated if I lost these genetics.
In the context of this thread, and judging only on the trippiness of the strain, SAGE is the winner. I might say Zamaldelica, but I like the high of SAGE better. That is another subject, and possibly worthy of another dissertation on its own. SAGE has a strange high. It is at first unimpressive. The high takes about an hour to blossom into where I'm in an otherworldly zone. I start to feel like a detached observer of the beauty of the world. It is a little bit of an out of body feel, as the concerns of the body disappear and my cerebral being is free of the shackles. It seems I think far more clearly when in this zone, by thinking less, if that even makes sense. I don't think it is as trippy as most people seem to envision when they think of trippy. Bangi Haze fits that definition better because it enhances the senses, to me anyway. I think SAGE is less about the senses, and more about the cerebral nature of the high. It is spiritual.
Nepal Jam is more along the lines of Bangi Haze, but the clarity is less impressive. I like a clean buzz. It is perfectly good weed, and I would be very excited to have it if I didn't already have Bangi Haze. I am keeping it since I believe Bangi Haze is very inbred, the Nepalese in both may be the most inbred part. Nepal Jam is what I'm using to invigorate the Nepalese genetics in Bangi Haze. I need to experience more members of the population from both lines.
I have a confession to make. I have been very disappointed I have not found something better than these yet. But it turns out, it is probably my growing skills. I stumbled onto something in my last grow, and got some help from friends that has finally corrected me, I hope...
I have been promoting growing with low levels of nutrients. I have experienced some tests in the past that were dramatic enough to make be a strong believer in this. But I think I must have slowly warped its practical application over time.
During my last grow, I accidentally over fertilized my batch, by my standards. I also was encouraged by Riddleme's posts to go back to using more Epsom Salts, like I used to do. At the end of the grow, I was flushing very vigorously to slow down the pronounced increase of the fox-tailing of the buds of SAGE x Purple Haze Thai. I didn't want the batch to be ruined. I was able to achieve the yellowing of the fan leaves by the end. The end came much later for SAGE x Purple Haze Thai due to the excess nitrogen keeping it growing and stretching more in flower. It was also later because I wanted to complete a good flush. In addition to those factors, I was also too busy to harvest when it looked ripe to me. LOL. These factors increased the flowering time of SAGE x Purple Haze Thai from 9 weeks to 13 weeks. It only stretched out the flowering time of SAGE by one week, from 12 to 13 weeks. In summary:
1.) More fertilizer at the front end of the flowering cycle.
2.) More Epsom Salt throughout.
3.) Riper Buds
In truth, I have not smoked anything from this batch yet. But I shared with some patients of mine, and they are doing backflips over this batch. They are stunned at the quality, compared to my previous batches, and compared to other weed they have access to. I heard about SAGE x Purple Haze Thai first. I was not surprised since the grow and the different conditions really changed the look of the plant and buds. Then I got a similar report about SAGE, and it crystalized the idea that it was the different fertilizer usage curve.
I like to think that I have been able to select the best strains in the way I have been growing. It is possible that if I can replicate the conditions of this last batch on other stains I have been testing, my assessments might change.
It may be too late for the Jamaican, Punto Rojo, and Panama Haze I have going right now. I accidentally got yellowing earlier than I wanted even before reports started coming in. But I am now fertilizing more than I would be at this stage. Enough that I am getting some bad stretching. I don't like that part at all, but who cares if it improves the potency.
Outside I have extended the nitrogen season, increased the potassium and phosphorous throughout, and added Epsom Salts. I forgot about Azomite. I never used this before. It has been an addition on all growing now.
Homebrewer - If you are watching or come back by. We may have both been correct. I still believe in very low nitrogen at the very end, but I am going to start using more in the early stages, and more phosphorous and potassium throughout, until a shortened final flush. Thanks.
Riddleme - Extra Epsom Salt (sulfur) and the addition of Azomite is going to be standard for me. Thanks.
I may learn more, probably by accident again (LOL), if I run out of one of the ingredients and see improved or reduced potency, but for now, I want to see if I can replicate these results repeatedly.
Thanks to everyone that has helped me in so many different ways. What a great group of people here.
I'm now going to modify my signature, slightly.
ThaiBliss
Riddleme
Member
Now if we can just get you to try the Potassium Sulfate
In the search for trippy weed I have a lot to share due to stumbling onto something pretty cool. Stepping back a bit, there was some talk about the 3 major terpenes that affect the high and one of those is Myrcene which is also found in Mangoes. It is fairly well know that eating a mango an hour before you smoke enhances your high, something I did years ago and yes it works but did not make me eat mangoes all the time LOL
Then I said I was gonna work on ratios and some one said it was about the difference between the leaded and unleaded which was partially true so I dropped it. The other part was I am looking at THC : CBD ratios in my breeding program as I have basically figured out that the % means nothing compared to the ratios. I read a recent interview with a guy that has a lab and does the MJ testing, the basic premise of what he was saying was that high THC percentages meant nothing, he reported that of all the bud he has tested the BEST high came from a Hawaiian bud that tested just 7% THC !
I spent several years breeding CBD's back into my weed and as a result have had several awesome strains. Recently I grew a cut of the high CBD strain Harlequin and crossed it with 7 different males to give me a wide range of phenos to play with in my new quest to try and determine the best ratios. As part of how I decide which plants move forward I smoke salads of the two parents to see how they mingle, when I do this I roll a J of each and then smoke a bit of each J and see where it takes me.
A couple of nights ago, I started this and smoked a 1/2 J of Harlequin and then 1/2 hour later smoked 1/2 J of my CTF and I got higher than I ever had with CTF it was absolutely amazing ! The next night I did the same thing but switched to my TF69 after smoking the Harlequin and once again the high was incredible, way better than just TF69 alone which is damn good !
To quantify this new discovery, last night I mixed equal amounts of Harlequin and TF69 and rolled a J, now I was smoking them at the same time and guess what it totally changed the high, was not as soaring, up, giggly, trippy as the previous two nights where I smoked them apart from each other.
Then I found this ,,,,
from here,
http://www.tulabotanical.com/cannabinoids-work-together/
the actual study they are talking about is here,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4609532
So, try it for yourselves smoke a high CBD strain, wait 30 to 60 minutes then smoke a high THC strain and ENJOY
In the search for trippy weed I have a lot to share due to stumbling onto something pretty cool. Stepping back a bit, there was some talk about the 3 major terpenes that affect the high and one of those is Myrcene which is also found in Mangoes. It is fairly well know that eating a mango an hour before you smoke enhances your high, something I did years ago and yes it works but did not make me eat mangoes all the time LOL
Then I said I was gonna work on ratios and some one said it was about the difference between the leaded and unleaded which was partially true so I dropped it. The other part was I am looking at THC : CBD ratios in my breeding program as I have basically figured out that the % means nothing compared to the ratios. I read a recent interview with a guy that has a lab and does the MJ testing, the basic premise of what he was saying was that high THC percentages meant nothing, he reported that of all the bud he has tested the BEST high came from a Hawaiian bud that tested just 7% THC !
I spent several years breeding CBD's back into my weed and as a result have had several awesome strains. Recently I grew a cut of the high CBD strain Harlequin and crossed it with 7 different males to give me a wide range of phenos to play with in my new quest to try and determine the best ratios. As part of how I decide which plants move forward I smoke salads of the two parents to see how they mingle, when I do this I roll a J of each and then smoke a bit of each J and see where it takes me.
A couple of nights ago, I started this and smoked a 1/2 J of Harlequin and then 1/2 hour later smoked 1/2 J of my CTF and I got higher than I ever had with CTF it was absolutely amazing ! The next night I did the same thing but switched to my TF69 after smoking the Harlequin and once again the high was incredible, way better than just TF69 alone which is damn good !
To quantify this new discovery, last night I mixed equal amounts of Harlequin and TF69 and rolled a J, now I was smoking them at the same time and guess what it totally changed the high, was not as soaring, up, giggly, trippy as the previous two nights where I smoked them apart from each other.
Then I found this ,,,,
from here,
http://www.tulabotanical.com/cannabinoids-work-together/
the actual study they are talking about is here,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4609532
So, try it for yourselves smoke a high CBD strain, wait 30 to 60 minutes then smoke a high THC strain and ENJOY
Now if we can just get you to try the Potassium Sulfate
I asked a garden shop clerk what they had that could increase the sulfur in the soil. I bought a 50 lb sack of Sulfate of Potash, and have been using that. Did I buy the wrong stuff? It says it is 0-0-50 (potassium) and 17% sulfur. It is going to last forever since I use so little. LOL This is going to be a hard habit to break!
Even with organic ingredients, I like to use less and very my sources. I use more bone meal than rock phosphate, because I consider bone meal more "organic", but I use both to vary the source, perhaps type, and it may distribute the release more evenly over time.
I thought I read somewhere that the myrcene was a down high. My memory is not good, but I thought limonene or pinene was what I wanted. B.T.W., the Thai Stick I remember was citric (rind), more bitter than sweet, and peppery. Perhaps Thai had limonene and pinene? Is there a pepponene? LOL. (sorry) I was planning on trying a nice icy cold natural lemonade, perhaps with some pine nuts (sounds good), a half hour before smoking.
I swear I'm not making fun of this interesting and serious subject. I want to learn about it. I think it is funny that chemists must have made up names of chemicals they discover by how they smell. The scary part is that during chemistry experiments, discoveries are made and sometimes they smell good. I swear they make money by adding them to the food supply. Like... hey, this smells like vanilla, and is way cheaper... huh?... I generally want natural "organic" products to consume, but there are grey areas with regards to organic fertilizers. Are ground up rocks, azomite for instance, organic? Sorry for the tangent(s).
Here is a vaguely related synergy story. I sometimes drink alcohol and smoke (I know what your thinking...). I notice that if I have a couple of drinks and then smoke, I feel like I have drunk 3 times as much, which I don't like. If I smoke first, particularly if I have a racy type of weed which I tend to like because those often have the high I like and are more potent, I very much like a drink or two afterwards. It mellows out the high energy of the buzz and leaves the high intact.
I have little doubt about this. That is why it is so dangerous to the quality and diversity of the genetic pool now that dispensaries are requiring testing and paying suppliers based on percentage of THC. Now that legalization is here in Oregon, I have hope because suppliers of quality product, may be able to insist that the buyer smoke the product before settling on price.
I also mix weed in the thought it may predict the outcome of a cross for a percentage of the population. Very interesting discovery.
I have an antithetical theory. The residual CBD left over in the blood supply of WLD lovers, often with couch-lock effect, do not "get" a soaring cerebral high. I was thinking they need a week for their blood to clear before smoking something like the Bangi Haze I love. I can't find any that are willing to try. Hahahaha!
It may just be a culturally learned preference. I grew up on cerebral weed, most people 10 to 20 years or more younger grew up on couch-lock weed. They/we have expectations that are not met when smoking each others weed.
Then I found this ,,,,
from here,
http://www.tulabotanical.com/cannabinoids-work-together/
the actual study they are talking about is here,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4609532
So, try it for yourselves smoke a high CBD strain, wait 30 to 60 minutes then smoke a high THC strain and ENJOY
Thanks for your post and links. They are MUCH APPRECIATED!
ThaiBliss
IIRC it's actually piperine in in black pepper and it's fantastic at potentiation of some chemicals
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IIRC it's actually piperine in in black pepper and it's fantastic at potentiation of some chemicals
Ha! Cool! Thanks. I'll try to remember that one. I often love weed with a pepper aroma/flavor, because I associate it with some types of highs I love.
MountZionCollec
Active member
From what I "read" myrcene is believed to be the most likely cause of the "couch lock" heavy indica effect.
That would be awesome to see the research study Sam the skunkman did on terpenes.
I will be getting terpinoid/cannabinoid profile on many strains this winter, lots of ace /cbg stuff and multiple pure sativas: green haze, panama haze, purple haze*malawi, Malawi, Panama, Durban poison, and then I HOPE to get females of (purple haze, purple haze*thai, old timers haze, old Congo, destroyer).
I will be posting the results on icmag this winter. If you live in medical states or recreational states and are growing these types of strains PLEASE send them into a lab and then post a subsequent smoke report alongside the profile. It doesn't cost that much! In Cali I can get a cannabinoid+terpinoid from steep hill for $50 if I order 10 tests or more.
That would be awesome to see the research study Sam the skunkman did on terpenes.
I will be getting terpinoid/cannabinoid profile on many strains this winter, lots of ace /cbg stuff and multiple pure sativas: green haze, panama haze, purple haze*malawi, Malawi, Panama, Durban poison, and then I HOPE to get females of (purple haze, purple haze*thai, old timers haze, old Congo, destroyer).
I will be posting the results on icmag this winter. If you live in medical states or recreational states and are growing these types of strains PLEASE send them into a lab and then post a subsequent smoke report alongside the profile. It doesn't cost that much! In Cali I can get a cannabinoid+terpinoid from steep hill for $50 if I order 10 tests or more.
Yet ethanol is a down high. Wouldn't myrcene would be typically be present at much lower levels than THC, pharmacologically speaking? More of a conditioner than a principle effect.
Of course it all comes down to what customers will spring for. Some real sophistication in the market is going to make a big difference, and it seems like there should be ways to foster that but haven't really hit on anything.
I'm probably wrong, but I would have said the CBD levels of WLD and NLD strains mostly overlap -- maybe fewer WLD around 0.01%, and just casting around I see one with 0.4% and no such NLD, but lots of both around 0.2%. I have one mostly-CBD strain for the sake of science, and there's no couch-lock in that.
I am looking to find a place in Western Washington that tests for thcv for cheap
