The Search for Trip Weed

[Donn]

Yeah, if at first you don't think it's coming on strong enough, eat the rest - ask Maureen Dowd!

For me, vaporizer and edibles are similar - and with some cannabis it's all about the same. Only with some there's a distinct difference. Kali Mist is another one a little bit like Durban Poison, that seems to be a sweeter high when smoked.

Bearing in mind that we're all talking about different things with this "trip" notion. I'm trying to stick to a quality vs. quantity angle - it isn't really about how far you go, but which direction.

When I turned 21, Timothy Leary was in Folsom prison working out his space colonization act, and just about all the air had leaked out of the tires on the psychedelic school bus. I personally think there was something to all of that, even if Leary was a nitwit surrounded by morons, and I dare to entertain some hopes that if we work quickly and efficiently before Phillip Morris and the big pharmaceuticals hit the scene, there may be another chance. It isn't exactly about drugs saving the world, more a change in the mix of drugs, replacing some of the alcohol with some cannabis, with a slight catalyzing effect in combination with other social forces.

 

[Madjag]

Woah, Sam, Slow Down.

1st,are you a Moderator?
I knowin the past you have deleted posts and gotten people banned for not agreeing with you so I want to ask that first before proceeding.

Now, since I don't submit to bullies (wont be silenced) I gotta say, dude, for someone who has access to every strain in the world, you should be WAY more chill than you are -- please stop being so agressive; this isnt even your thread so why are you attacking everyone?

And your methodology is wrong,
You're saying you're the expert on cannabis because you vape 100% this with a bit of that.... that aint science, that's an anecdote. Science is getting into the chemical reactions withing the brain, and the body, between each cannabinoid -- its not about how each cannabinoid makes you -Sam - feel, its about science.

so, please stop bashing us with your biased anecdotes that you've been preaching for the past years (THCV is shit - though i bet Hortapharm has high THCV strains, and so on with the other cannabinoids)

Ahahahaha.....who is being defensive over what?

Sam is just another (right) researcher, just like you and me. Don't worry.

He is in service of the Sacred herb, nothing else, except his Ego, which we all have our own to dance with, too.

You're entitled Thcv......no one is going to silence you in a civil thread or mess with your own opinions.

 

[Madjag]

I agree if weed can't make you trip regardless of the situations, it is not trip weed, be honest. Also it maybe hard to repeat that first trip experience, because the experience was so new and different and was the first time, the effects may well be bigger in the mind then the actual experience if repeated over and over every few weeks. I know many people that did not get high the first time they smoked, because knowing you are high is a learned experience, I would see people smoke and they would say I don't feel anything and go and say and do stupid stuff, they were high they did not know it. The first time I smoke I did get pretty high, colors, patterns, and an urge to eat munchies, after a walk I ended up in a IHP house of pancakes and I ordered several different orders just to try a few bites of each, wow it was good.... Then went home and listened to music. It was just Mex I smoked but because it was my first time I did smoke three joints one after the other, with no breaths of air between hits, I wanted to be sure I had an effect, it did. That was 1965 this week in July.
Madjag, it would be interesting to keep some of the trip weed you like and first tripped on, and make dry sift from it and do it again years later, I bet you would get very similar effects to the first weed trip effects, maybe stronger even?
All the best,

-SamS

Well, Sam, I came in a little later than your 1965. I had my first successful smoke in 1969. I had bought my first joint in 1965, but I was afraid to try it and when I was ready, it was mold. I had hidden outside in a box....hahahaha.

My first try for smoking was in 1969 in Amsterdam at Club Paradiso. I didn't smoke cigarettes so I couldn't inhale properly and didn't get high after one toke. I just coughed. I know, I know: I probably was a little high, but shee-it not like the first time i hyperventilated a few times and then took a hit at the Grand Canyon in 1969.....wow.

The term "Trip" should probably be relegated to LSD discussions or other psychedelic compounds and plant sources. Perhaps this thread should be called "The Search For the Ultimate Spacey Weed" or something like that.

I did acid for the first time in 1969 as well. And some other things that go along with that uniquely-numbered date (haha), too. Once you've experienced pharmaceutical LSD, I'm both afraid and happy to say, nothing else even comes close in terms of "Trippy". Period.

Sure, sure, we live in a typical consciousness, our daily awareness, and each person knows their own oh too well. A beer or two, a puff on a joint, and bingo - everything is different.....but actually the same, just flavored.

With LSd or other hallucinogens you don't get to feel the way you want to feel. Sorry, it's not that predictable or comfortable. You walk the gang plank and leap into the ocean of the Universe without a life jacket or life boat. Why would you do such a thing?

Super duper happy heavy cerebral funny melting motivating paralyzing cannabis, in a smokeable form, is at least predictable because, as many commenters in this thread and others have pointed out, you can at least count on getting back to your "normal" self in 3-6 hours.

As a first-time smoker of dynamic, powerful, mentally-tranformative weed, a person simply has no chance of avoiding new and possibly uncomfortable experiences. Perhaps you've been so fricking high that you wished you could go back or at least be less high than you were. That's a sign of great cannabis, probably, unless you were an entirely new smoker.....

I love edible cannabis concentrates....learning the does that I can go to work on and still function. I did a 6-month test last year of daily cann-brownies. It started a bit rough....I launched my test with a piece of canna-cornbread that had been given to me by some world-class stoners who simply said," Make sure you cut this into 4 pieces and only take one." That said, I cut it into 12 pieces and only took one measured piece.

Driving to work takes me 18 minutes. I can take a faster 15 minute highway ride or a two-lane, backroads direction that promises little if any traffic at 7:30 am when I hit the road. I at my piece of Canna-Cornbread at 5am when I got up and by 6am I was walking sideways. Shit, I had to go to work, it was that simple.

I ate my breakfast and climbed slowly into my truck, like an astronaut lowering himself into the space launch capsule that would take him into the outersphere in mere minutes. I knew from the get-go that I had overdosed and that the day.....and it was really difficult. I couldn't talk to customers on the phone and had/chose to pretend to my fellow workers that I was seriously hung-over from a party.

But I digress....merely to compare smoking cannabis or eating cannabis extracts in regards to actual "tripping" with LSD.

Common now......and how many of those pancakes did you plow down anyway Sam?

 

[Donn]

It is the terpenes. We will know which ones very soon, there are 140 found in Cannabis to test with THC, it takes time to say the least.

Ya! large combinatorial problem.

Since we're talking about science ... for me, once you have the results from all those millions of possible combinations of terpenes, science is just getting started. We know from experience that as other researchers replicate the original experiments, quite often the results come out different than expected, and the whole thing takes a long time to sort out. That doesn't mean there's no immediate value in the original experiment, I'm just saying that science is far from settled at that point.

 

[Gry]

One would have a difficult time finding a more patient response than was delivered.

 

[Madjag]

It is the terpenes. We will know which ones very soon, there are 140 found in Cannabis to test with THC, it takes time to say the least.
What really takes time is testing several terpenes at once with THC and trying each different ratio of the terpenes with THC, there are million of possibilities. I suspect we will need to be guided by looking at analysis of the most trippy Cannabis that can be found and starting with those terpenes in those ratios, also some terpenes may act the opposite, meaning you want to eliminate them from Cannabis when you are aiming at specific goals like trip weed. To be honest that is why I did the terpene tests I did, to validate my idea that the terpenes were what made almost all the different effects found in Cannabis, and to find the ones I wanted and eliminate the ones I don't want, all by breeding. I really knew that it was the terpenes as me and a friend RCC had vaped some 100% THC and was surprised to find 25mg vaped flat and boring with no individuality. Then we added some Skunk Dry sift naturally terpene rich, that was 50% THC by weight to the 100% THC, so we added equal weights of the THC and the resin and made a mix that was 75% THC and when we vaped 25mg of the mix the mix was more potent then the pure THC. It was the terpenes in the dry sift, I just had to prove it. So we did the terpene tests.
-SamS

Just.....YES.

 

[ThaiBliss]

The term "Trip" should probably be relegated to LSD discussions or other psychedelic compounds and plant sources. Perhaps this thread should be called "The Search For the Ultimate Spacey Weed" or something like that.

Ouch! I have never even listed "spacey" as one of the effects of what I consider trippy. I think that feeling lost in what should be familiar is somewhat different than "spacey", to me anyway. I've smoked lots of weed that made me feel spacy that I did not feel were on the psychedelic side at all.

To review some traits that I consider "trippy":

1.) Enhanced sensory perceptions.
2.) A feeling of empathy and connection with all life which can induce euphoria and a feeling of profundity.
3.) Ability to easily shed the ego and "see" the world around us with new eyes.
4.) Deep introspection (the opposite of #3) and self evaluation
5.) A warping of your sense of time

I did acid for the first time in 1969 as well. And some other things that go along with that uniquely-numbered date (haha), too. Once you've experienced pharmaceutical LSD, I'm both afraid and happy to say, nothing else even comes close in terms of "Trippy". Period.

It sounds like you are arguing a matter of degree (intensity) as a disqualification for Cannabis being psychedelic or trippy.

Please take the time to list the traits of the experience of taking pharmaceutical LSD. I'd be interested in seeing what you come up with when you actually break it down.

With LSd or other hallucinogens you don't get to feel the way you want to feel. Sorry, it's not that predictable or comfortable. You walk the gang plank and leap into the ocean of the Universe without a life jacket or life boat. Why would you do such a thing?

For one thing, it is sometimes helpful to shock yourself out of a rut in the way of thinking. Why would you meditate?

Super duper happy heavy cerebral funny melting motivating paralyzing cannabis, in a smokeable form, is at least predictable because, as many commenters in this thread and others have pointed out, you can at least count on getting back to your "normal" self in 3-6 hours.

Exactly! That is why I want to do Cannabis dozens of times a year, and only want to do psilocybin or other psychedelics once every few years.

I'm confused. You seem to now be arguing that Cannabis can be comparable to psychedelics.

As a first-time smoker of dynamic, powerful, mentally-tranformative weed, a person simply has no chance of avoiding new and possibly uncomfortable experiences. Perhaps you've been so fricking high that you wished you could go back or at least be less high than you were. That's a sign of great cannabis, probably, unless you were an entirely new smoker.....

Perhaps the search for "great cannabis"? You define it as "dynamic", "mentally transformative", "possibly uncomfortable". That sounds familiar, and could be added to my list, or even inferred from my list of trippy traits.


Forgive me for feeling defensive of my thread. It is funny that this thread seems to be sparking interest and disagreement, within the very same individual(s), with the notion of trip weed all at the same time.

ThaiBliss

 

[Lacocina]

Well done Sam

Hope they find the terpene CBD combo soon... My uncle just passed from cancer at my ranch .. The nurse actually gave him some brownies to eat and presto.. He wanted to eat again and mellowed enough for the family and friends to talk with him .. It made him laugh at the fact that he was dying .. Said the brownies really messed him up and was tripping in a good way .. Since he never done any drugs it was a wake up call for me that it really does work and made the end for him a more smooth end to his journey ... Finding trippy weed is a good thing way better than watching CNN.....

So THC..CBD..Charlotts Web ... Great advances .. And more to come .. Thank god for the 60's .. And the search for trippy weed

 

[Donn]

As a first-time smoker of dynamic, powerful, mentally-tranformative weed, a person simply has no chance of avoiding new and possibly uncomfortable experiences. Perhaps you've been so fricking high that you wished you could go back or at least be less high than you were. That's a sign of great cannabis, probably, unless you were an entirely new smoker.....

I don't know about that. I don't know if there's exactly a sweet spot for dosage, but I'm pretty sure for many of us the effects of extremely high dosage are counterproductive. i've had too much, and it wasn't like acid, it was just bad.

I like ThaiBliss' list because it's things that cannabis can do and still be very enjoyable, which I feel is its nature. You're right in that if we're talking about what we do with LSD, then cannabis doesn't make a good LSD. Instead you focus on the things that it does well, that fall within the psychedelic experience.

 

[Donald Mallard]

I cant say ive experienced the same thing with the newer varieties of erb ,
but did you older folk note one of the first signs of being high on the stuff we used to toke was the auditory perceptions ,, i always noted that first ,, everything sounded different..??/

Id agree Madjag , its not as strong as a trip where you have no control what ever over anything and just become a part of it all ,
but some of that south east asian stuff can sure have a strong hold over you,
a lot stronger than most of the modern day stuff does i find , particularly where your thoughts are concerned ,, think positive always .. hehehehe ..

i find if i catch myself talking to myself aloud about how strong that pot i toked just was , that some pretty strong pot ,, lol ..

 

[JohnnyChicago]

I have found an Oldtimer's Haze that is way to trippy and destabilizing for me ....

 

[Thule]

I was tripping on weed last weekend, I didn't know where I was or who I was with. I had strange ideas about the people surrounding me and was almost unable to communicate or move. I have no idea what it was that I smoked but I was certain it was laced with spice because I haven't been that fucked up from weed in years. The others didn't agree.

The probable cause is that there was residual tobacco in the pipe, which I can't tolerate at all. Aaand I was drunk too :friends:It's strange because I often smoke when I'm drunk and I only took a little this time. I can only describe what I was going through as tripping, like being drunk on shrooms. It lasted for hours and hours, I had moments when I felt like I was almost sober only to find myself in the imaginary world again. Only hybrids have ever put me on orbit like this, with or without alcohol. I can't imagine any landrace making me feel this way, that's why I prefer to smoke sativas, most of the time they're a mellow feel good smoke.

 

[Dave Coulier]

I cant say ive experienced the same thing with the newer varieties of erb ,
but did you older folk note one of the first signs of being high on the stuff we used to toke was the auditory perceptions ,, i always noted that first ,, everything sounded different..??/

Id agree Madjag , its not as strong as a trip where you have no control what ever over anything and just become a part of it all ,
but some of that south east asian stuff can sure have a strong hold over you,
a lot stronger than most of the modern day stuff does i find , particularly where your thoughts are concerned ,, think positive always .. hehehehe ..

i find if i catch myself talking to myself aloud about how strong that pot i toked just was , that some pretty strong pot ,, lol ..

I too have noticed a change in audio perception, but it is usually linked to music when smoking some of Sam's HazeSkunk. Music took on a whole new dimension when under Sam's influence.
It was as if the band I was listening to was performing right in front of me. I could even hear and pick out things in the music that had always eluded me before hand. Forget upgrading speakers, just smoke some Haze beforehand and have a blast.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

Here is an update of the Green Haze x Panama growing in my cabinet with the Jamaican Ganja and Punto Rojo. During the seedling stage, it only got about half the height of the others, but in the first weeks of flowering it stretched considerably and took over half of the cabinet. Punto Rojo is pretty aggressive also, so the poor Jamaican only occupies about 15% to 20% of the 3' x 3' flowering cabinet.


Green Haze x Panama:

So far so good, but a long way to go.

ThaiBliss

 

[Siever]

Greetings,

Here is an update of the Green Haze x Panama growing in my cabinet with the Jamaican Ganja and Punto Rojo.
Green Haze x Panama:
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ThaiBliss

TB,

Have you grown Purple Haze x Malawi too? It would be nice to have a comparison. I have a PH x M in my grow room right now. I'm very curious about Panama Haze. Can you give a smoke report when you've smoked it?

Siever

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hi Siever,

I have not grown Purple Haze x Malawi. I hope it works out for you. I grew Golden Tiger that was Thai x Malawi. That particular selection of Malawi turned me off. Most of the Golden Tigers were physically debilitating to me. I had a hard time getting off my couch. I like smoke that gets me on my feet and makes me want to go outside and appreciate nature.

I will certainly share my thoughts on the Panama Haze when I'm able to. Sometimes I might try to hold my tongue until it gets a cure of at least 3 months. You might have to wait until early next year. Please feel free to post pictures, observations, and eventually a smoke report of Purple Haze x Malawi here on this thread. I grew a SAGE x Purple Haze Thai that I like very much, and I still hold that clone.

ThaiBliss

 

[Siever]

I've already smoked Purple Haze x Malawi. It's already a long time ago. Don't remember much about the taste, but to tell you the truth: I don't taste a lot of difference between several strains. In my opinion Indica hybrids taste have a more fruity smell and a lot of pure Sativa's have the infamous catpiss smell.
The smoke itself was OMG psychedelic energy. Rather introspective than social.
I must tell you that during its flowering time my ballast went broke, they hadn't had any light for 3 days. Secondly I was very busy that time so I hadn't had the time to water/feed them properly. Thirdly: I had/have spider mites. Becaus of lack of time I had back then I didn't fight them properly.
In my opinion if a plant can deliver so much power without being properly cared for, it must be a hell of a strain if you grow them properly.
I have Y Griega & Purple Haze x Malawi in the grow room (I'll make a cross between those two), so within 4 à 5 months I'll have a new batch.

Siever

 

[yoss33]

That Haze x Panama seems to enter flowering quickly, like Panama, with solid budding sites full of flowers, and unlike Haze, which starts with more than a month of slowly increasing flowers production while continuing to grow like in vegetative mode with many leaves in the tops.
So, you have the Panama goodness expressed in the hybrid. Crossing fingers for the Haze to be dominant in the high and you will have a grail, if not THE grail

 

[MostlyMe]

I may be wrong, but for some reason crosses with haze are more likely to give that famous shot of energy than pure hazes, which often turn out mellow or even a little draining (as Thule mentioned).

 

[JohnnyChicago]

My trippy OTH isn't mellow at all. It's the most destabilizing weed I ever had and I think have tried most of the Haze hybrids you could find in NL since the 80s. It's so damn trippy that I do want to keep the seeds (Oldtimer's Haze x Original Haze) I made with her anymore. Will send them in for GN Bail fund as soon as they are properly cured.