The Search for Trip Weed

[Thcvhunter]

I would say THCV can make you dark/angry.. . . much like what DM said about some Thai/Laos

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

CBD does not get you high, I have never knocked medical applications of CBD. The same with THCV, I would never knock any medical uses for it. I think that is great.
You maybe need to reread my posts and understand I am only knocking the recreation use. Even that, I know people that prefer a CBD/THC smoke like what is found in imported hash, but the reason they mostly don't like THC only high test products is because it makes them feel to high and uncomfortable. They prefer the THC modulated by CBD and the high peaks removed. They like a more physical stone. Fair enough people should smoke what they prefer, and be honest why.
I will let you argue with someone else about THCV, CBD, CBC, CBDV, CBCV, CBG, CBGV, and any other Cannabinoids, I do agree with you we will find important medical uses for them all.
Can you agree that you do not want them to get high with? Unless you do prefer the modulation by a few of them, that remove or modulate the highest parts of the high and make them less so.
I do not want them, simple enough.
-SamS

years ago, people knocked CBD in the same way you knock THCV.

How many THCV strains does GW Pharmaceuticals have?

 

[Thule]

Grumpy weed? I've had that experience with some sativas, it happens when I'm supposed to do something but can only concentrate on one thing at a time. I used to get really pissed while trying to pack after smoking a certain pheno of Jamaican lambsbread, just couldn't be effective even when I was in a hurry. Interesting if that might be because of THCV, I've had similar things happen with the Peruvian line. Neither of those strains have been "cleaned up".

I am btw one of those guys who prefers thc with cbd in social situations. I can't be contemplating life and be social at the same time.

 

[Riddleme]

Hey TB,

interesting convo goin on, can't say I agree with most of it but tis interesting

As I recently told you, I found my trip weed after I smoked my new TF69 for the first time, the 1st plant from seed was awesome but now the clones have been harvested and of course I have been tweakin my mineral regimen

smoked a bit yesterday and I'm there brother ! soaring, energetic, happy, no ceiling high with back teeth floatin, it has been a lot years since pot made my back teeth float

Wish there was a way for you to come to the party this weekend !!!

 

[Thcvhunter]

Can you agree that you do not want them to get high with? Unless you do prefer the modulation by a few of them, that remove or modulate the highest parts of the high and make them less so.
I do not want them, simple enough.
-SamS

Hmmmm, interesting question.
I would have to say no, I can't agree.
Simply because I'm not god - I dont know exactly how each cannabinoid works, nor do I know how each person likes their high.
Plus, for many of us, recreational is our stepping stone into medical; so to limit recreational is to limit medical (in my eyes)

Back to topic,
My Golden Tiger x Cherry Cake, 2nd plant, is very Thai-dom and just a bit trippy. Distances are distorted (weird to experience) and the edges of my vision are "altered", like a square image being made into a circular image. But at the same time, the buzz is very comforting. There is something amazing about having your senses altered while feeling comfortable and at peace at the same time --- like being in shock and laughing at your broken arm being all twisted

 

[ThaiBliss]

Trip Weed!

Trip Weed!

There is something amazing about having your senses altered while feeling comfortable and at peace at the same time --- like being in shock and laughing at your broken arm being all twisted

Another example of a way to express what trip weed is, to me. Congratulations! I think you have found trip weed. LOL.



Enjoy

ThaiBliss

 

[Donn]

The Durban Poison thing for me is missing the good things - no lift, no heightened awareness. Instead I can get wrapped up in my head, and a couple times it has gotten dark and unpleasant. But that's two out of three examples of the strain, and only oral or vaporizer - combustion seems to turn into something more ordinary.

Learning about a cannabinoid by trying it by itself might be a little like throwing a part of an airplane in the air to see if it will fly. We know it's a complex multi-dimensional problem - many different qualities to a cannabis high, and it's hard enough to even describe them let alone say what causes them. Maybe terpenes play a role in it, but I have soaked up pinene until my head hurts (turpentine), I've eaten plenty of oranges. I wouldn't claim that I now understand the roles of pinene and limonene in the entourage.

Some people around here claim that a little extra CBG in the mix makes for a "spacy" high. Not sure what that means, and haven't tried the stuff they're talking about.

 

[Madjag]

grumpy weed ,
or weed enhancing ones mood ??

I kinda doubt it could make u feel grumpy ,
but maybe it could enhance a feeling that your holding onto ??

I find some of that weed that can make u trip one needs to be wary of the mood, place , folks your with etc , ;much the same as you would a trip ,
ive spiralled down some dark tunnels on some of that thai/laos weed , quite scary i would imagine to the younger punter...
but other occasions found it happy and euphoric,
figured it was my mood ....

Set and setting, I agree Donnie....very influential on the "trip" aspect...

What percent of true Trip Weed is the person's mood and environment, versus what isn't?

If it's the Trip Weed I believe we are talking about here, it overcomes all outer aspects like where you are, the weather, etc and it also nulls all personal experience like smoke tolerance, whether it's imbibed in a joint, bong, or vape.

The Trip Weed we are speaking of is undeniable in its effects no matter what. That's why it's so elusive: our memory of that first Trip Weed can never be matched unless we had the exact same herb to compare today.

Stash some of your closest qualifying herb in a refrigerator so that when we have this same discussion in 10 years, we'll have a baseline for our tests....

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

x

The Durban Poison thing for me is missing the good things - no lift, no heightened awareness. Instead I can get wrapped up in my head, and a couple times it has gotten dark and unpleasant. But that's two out of three examples of the strain, and only oral or vaporizer - combustion seems to turn into something more ordinary.

What is the solution? To not try the different Cannabinoids or tepenes alone to try and gain understanding, that does not help.
Maybe terpenes play a role? Are you joking? Sure and eating oranges makes you an expert on terpenes, I do not claim to be an expert on terpenes but at least I am trying to gain understanding by smoking 100% pure THC and also 100% pure THC spiked with a terpene, say Limonene. That is the start of understanding don't you think? You make it sound like Cannabis is so complex it can't be understood, that is not true at all. Cannabis made up of the Cannabinoids and terpenes are all just pieces in the puzzle, and it is understandable if you try. Slowly by surely the puzzle pieces are coming together.
If you are not up to the challenge fine, but others are up to the quest and making progress, you can help or just say how hard it will be and give up.
-SamS


Learning about a cannabinoid by trying it by itself might be a little like throwing a part of an airplane in the air to see if it will fly. We know it's a complex multi-dimensional problem - many different qualities to a cannabis high, and it's hard enough to even describe them let alone say what causes them. Maybe terpenes play a role in it, but I have soaked up pinene until my head hurts (turpentine), I've eaten plenty of oranges. I wouldn't claim that I now understand the roles of pinene and limonene in the entourage.

Some people around here claim that a little extra CBG in the mix makes for a "spacy" high. Not sure what that means, and haven't tried the stuff they're talking about.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

x

Hmmmm, interesting question.
I would have to say no, I can't agree.
Simply because I'm not god - I dont know exactly how each cannabinoid works, nor do I know how each person likes their high.
Plus, for many of us, recreational is our stepping stone into medical; so to limit recreational is to limit medical (in my eyes)

I guess a only a god would understand what type of Cannabis they would prefer? Only a god could take those plants and analyze them and see what Cannabinoids and terpenes are in them and try similar varieties with similar Cannabinoid and terpene profiles? I don't think that takes a god it just takes scientific curiosity and time. If a person says what type of high they like you are really unable to make any suggestions at all? Based on your experience, not you being a god......
I am not limiting recreational, never did, and I suggest you try varieties that are mostly THCV, CBG, CBD, CBN, if you think they are great recreational varieties to anyone.
Recreational use without medical use is more common the medical use, if you want recreational use you will or can have different preferences than a medical user, I think they should both be free to maximize what they want and to eliminate what they don't want.
I am not limiting recreational but I am suggesting that recreational users may well prefer to have Cannabis with no CBN, CBD, CBC, CBG, THCV, what is wrong with that or are you trying to limit recreational smokers to what you prefer? That is just small minded in my thinking, all people regardless of their use of Cannabis deserve to find what they want, be it THC only recreational varieties, or varieties for Medical with all 80 Cannabinoids in equal %'s if that is what they really want. I am not trying to limit anyone I am suggesting that recreational users may prefer high THC no with other Cannabinoids but high in the terpenes that they prefer.
Do you understand the difference? I hope people can find what ever they are looking for in Cannabis, even if it is THC only varieties.
-SamS


Back to topic,
My Golden Tiger x Cherry Cake, 2nd plant, is very Thai-dom and just a bit trippy. Distances are distorted (weird to experience) and the edges of my vision are "altered", like a square image being made into a circular image. But at the same time, the buzz is very comforting. There is something amazing about having your senses altered while feeling comfortable and at peace at the same time --- like being in shock and laughing at your broken arm being all twisted

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Set and setting, I agree Donnie....very influential on the "trip" aspect...

What percent of true Trip Weed is the person's mood and environment, versus what isn't?

If it's the Trip Weed I believe we are talking about here, it overcomes all outer aspects like where you are, the weather, etc and it also nulls all personal experience like smoke tolerance, whether it's imbibed in a joint, bong, or vape.

The Trip Weed we are speaking of is undeniable in its effects no matter what. That's why it's so elusive: our memory of that first Trip Weed can never be matched unless we had the exact same herb to compare today.

Stash some of your closest qualifying herb in a refrigerator so that when we have this same discussion in 10 years, we'll have a baseline for our tests....

I agree if weed can't make you trip regardless of the situations, it is not trip weed, be honest. Also it maybe hard to repeat that first trip experience, because the experience was so new and different and was the first time, the effects may well be bigger in the mind then the actual experience if repeated over and over every few weeks. I know many people that did not get high the first time they smoked, because knowing you are high is a learned experience, I would see people smoke and they would say I don't feel anything and go and say and do stupid stuff, they were high they did not know it. The first time I smoke I did get pretty high, colors, patterns, and an urge to eat munchies, after a walk I ended up in a IHP house of pancakes and I ordered several different orders just to try a few bites of each, wow it was good.... Then went home and listened to music. It was just Mex I smoked but because it was my first time I did smoke three joints one after the other, with no breaths of air between hits, I wanted to be sure I had an effect, it did. That was 1965 this week in July.
Madjag, it would be interesting to keep some of the trip weed you like and first tripped on, and make dry sift from it and do it again years later, I bet you would get very similar effects to the first weed trip effects, maybe stronger even?
All the best,

-SamS

 

[Infinitesimal]

I agree if weed can't make you trip regardless of the situations, it is not trip weed, be honest. Also it maybe hard to repeat that first trip experience, because the experience was so new and different and was the first time, the effects may well be bigger in the mind then the actual experience if repeated over and over every few weeks. I know many people that did not get high the first time they smoked, because knowing you are high is a learned experience, I would see people smoke and they would say I don't feel anything and go and say and do stupid stuff, they were high they did not know it. The first time I smoke I did get pretty high, colors, patterns, and an urge to eat munchies, after a walk I ended up in a IHP house of pancakes and I ordered several different orders just to try a few bites of each, wow it was good.... Then went home and listened to music. It was just Mex I smoked but because it was my first time I did smoke three joints one after the other, with no breaths of air between hits, I wanted to be sure I had an effect, it did. That was 1965 this week in July.
Madjag, it would be interesting to keep some of the trip weed you like and first tripped on, and make dry sift from it and do it again years later, I bet you would get very similar effects to the first weed trip effects, maybe stronger even?
All the best,

-SamS

I inhaled my first time, and got really really really high.

years later when I actually started smoking an my friends had moved on to a bit higher quality herb, I saw color cartoons moving across the walls in the stucco patterns... lol

even just a couple years ago, I was smoking in complete silence... then at one point I heard this really cool blues song with vocals and all, I couldnt make out the lyrics. I got up and checked the other room to see if the tv was on.... needless to say there was no music

 

[ThaiBliss]

Jamaican Ganja (Bushman's 1960s Lambsbread):

ThaiBliss

 

[Thcvhunter]

Woah, Sam, Slow Down.

1st,are you a Moderator?
I knowin the past you have deleted posts and gotten people banned for not agreeing with you so I want to ask that first before proceeding.

Now, since I don't submit to bullies (wont be silenced) I gotta say, dude, for someone who has access to every strain in the world, you should be WAY more chill than you are -- please stop being so agressive; this isnt even your thread so why are you attacking everyone?

And your methodology is wrong,
You're saying you're the expert on cannabis because you vape 100% this with a bit of that.... that aint science, that's an anecdote. Science is getting into the chemical reactions withing the brain, and the body, between each cannabinoid -- its not about how each cannabinoid makes you -Sam - feel, its about science.

so, please stop bashing us with your biased anecdotes that you've been preaching for the past years (THCV is shit - though i bet Hortapharm has high THCV strains, and so on with the other cannabinoids)

 

[Donn]

I do not claim to be an expert on terpenes but at least I am trying to gain understanding by smoking 100% pure THC and also 100% pure THC spiked with a terpene, say Limonene. That is the start of understanding don't you think? You make it sound like Cannabis is so complex it can't be understood, that is not true at all. Cannabis made up of the Cannabinoids and terpenes are all just pieces in the puzzle, and it is understandable if you try. Slowly by surely the puzzle pieces are coming together.

Yes, that's a start, certainly a good thing to try, and I do expect we may eventually hope experiments like that will improve our understanding of the pharmacology.

Another thing that would help, is if we actually knew what cannabinoids we're getting. The analyses on the Durban Poisons I've tried came mentioned only THC, CBD and CBN. It would have been so interesting to know if the two that had the distinctive dark high had more THCV than the third that didn't. It's frustrating, because I can only wave my hands and say well, wonder if that's what was going on? I like Steep Hill's "strain fingerprint" - that's what tipped me off that there might be THCV in there - but you know there are reasons, from genetics to harvest and handling, why the reality may vary from the published strain information. If we had more real information - per harvested product - that would put a new angle in the search for trip weed.

I have one package that test 0.0 for CBD, and it's not bad - sparkling clear, energetic - but not real interesting. And another, to be fair, that is interesting - Mandala Satori - but while 0% CBD, it has 1.4% CBG - 1:10 CBG:THC. I guess that's unusual, but dang it, rarely have CBG info. I think it's important to bear in mind that 1:10 is on the high side for these accessory cannabinoids - we're often talking about an order of magnitude less, rather minute amounts.

Let's say it's really all about terpenes - can you tell us what terpene profile yields the trip weed experience? Then we can go to say the SC Labs site and watch the terpene tests roll in, and when the numbers come up, bingo - there's our trip weed! Maybe? If not, then we have work to do!

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Woah, Sam, Slow Down.

1st,are you a Moderator?

Yes I am a Moderator, and this Marijuana Strains and Breeding forum is what I Mod.
-SamS

I knowin the past you have deleted posts and gotten people banned for not agreeing with you so I want to ask that first before proceeding.

I only delete off topic posts or posts where people violate the IC TOU or when people fight for no reason.
I have never banned anyone, I did suggest to my fellow Mods that certain people deserved to be banned, they decided if and when to do it. I do not have the power to ban anyone. If just here to do trolling or start fights you will get banned.

Now, since I don't submit to bullies (wont be silenced) I gotta say, dude, for someone who has access to every strain in the world, you should be WAY more chill than you are -- please stop being so agressive; this isnt even your thread so why are you attacking everyone?

This is not your thread either, ask the OP ThaiBliss, if I go to far, I will certainly chill if he asks me to. And don't be silenced, if you go to far, your posts will be deleted, and if you go further you could get banned. It is up to you.

And your methodology is wrong,
You're saying you're the expert on cannabis because you vape 100% this with a bit of that.... that aint science, that's an anecdote. Science is getting into the chemical reactions withing the brain, and the body, between each cannabinoid -- its not about how each cannabinoid makes you -Sam - feel, its about science.

What can I say, I did double blind tests with 12 subjects who filled in a 100 questionnaire before and after the tests, all subjects had no Cannabis the day of the tests and only one test was done per day, the samples of Cannabinoids were weighed to .00 accuracy and no one knew what they vaped. The test subjects were unanimous in the effects of what Cannabinoids did or did not do and which terpenes did what to THC etc. They all did have personal preferences as to the terpenes they liked best. It never was about how they made ME feel thats why 12 subjects.
BTW I have been a member for 25 years and attended most of the meetings of the ICRS, that is where I met Roger Pertwee, and all the other top Cannabinod researchers in the world. Check out the ICRS, and the IAMC both of which I have been a member from their beginnings. Not that it means I am scientific but I try....

How about you do some real solid science that shows what I say is wrong, instead of try to bash me because you don't like me or my message?
-SamS


so, please stop bashing us with your biased anecdotes that you've been preaching for the past years (THCV is shit - though i bet Hortapharm has high THCV strains, and so on with the other cannabinoids)

I have said repeatedly that THCV is and will be useful for patients, I never said they should not use it if it helps them, I am only referring to recreational use that is what my tests were aimed at, I did not look into the medical potential at all, my focus was recreational use, do you understand that?

I started telling people about THCV for recreational use right after I found out, Roger Pertwee, my friend, whom I told about my work then shortly announced that THCV was a CB1 antagonist:

Evidence that the plant cannabinoid Delta9-tetrahydrocannabivarin is a cannabinoid CB1 and CB2 receptor antagonist.
Adèle Thomas, Lesley A Stevenson, Kerrie N Wease, Martin R Price, Gemma Baillie, Ruth A Ross, Roger G Pertwee
British Journal of Pharmacology 01/2006; 146(7):917-26. DOI:10.1038/sj.bjp.0706414 ·

Because you like THCV here are some more of Rogers publications on THCV, almost all for "medical" application.
-SamS

The phytocannabinoid, Δ9-tetrahydrocannabivarin, can act through 5-HT1A receptors to produce anti-psychotic effects
Maria Grazia Cascio, Erica Zamberletti, Pietro Marini, Daniela Parolaro, Roger G. Pertwee
British Journal of Pharmacology 11/2014; 172(5). DOI:10.1111/bph.13000

Are cannabidiol and Δ9-tetrahydrocannabivarin negative modulators of the endocannabinoid system? A systematic review
John M. McPartland, Marnie Duncan, Vincenzo Di Marzo, Roger G Pertwee
British Journal of Pharmacology 09/2014; 172(3). DOI:10.1111/bph.12944

Cannabidivarin-rich cannabis extracts are anticonvulsant in mouse and rat via a CB1 receptor-independent mechanism.
T D M Hill, M-G Cascio, B Romano, M Duncan, R G Pertwee, C M Williams, B J Whalley, A J Hill
British Journal of Pharmacology 07/2013; DOI:10.1111/bph.12321 ·

Symptom‐relieving and neuroprotective effects of the phytocannabinoid Δ9‐THCV in animal models of Parkinson's disease
C García, C Palomo-Garo, M García-Arencibia, Ja Ramos, Rg Pertwee, J Fernández-Ruiz
British Journal of Pharmacology 02/2011; 163(7):1495-506. DOI:10.1111/j.1476-5381.2011.01278.x ·

The plant cannabinoid Delta9-tetrahydrocannabivarin can decrease signs of inflammation and inflammatory pain in mice.
Daniele Bolognini, Barbara Costa, Sabatino Maione, Francesca Comelli, Pietro Marini, Vincenzo Di Marzo, Daniela Parolaro, Ruth A Ross, Lisa A Gauson, Maria G Cascio, Roger G Pertwee
British Journal of Pharmacology 06/2010; 160(3):677-87. DOI:10.1111/j.1476-5381.2010.00756.x ·

The psychoactive plant cannabinoid, Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol, is antagonized by Δ8- and Δ9-tetrahydrocannabivarin in mice in vivo
R G Pertwee, A Thomas, L A Stevenson, R A Ross, S A Varvel, A H Lichtman, B R Martin, R K Razdan
British Journal of Pharmacology 04/2007; 150(5):586-94. DOI:10.1038/sj.bjp.0707124 ·

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Yes, that's a start, certainly a good thing to try, and I do expect we may eventually hope experiments like that will improve our understanding of the pharmacology.

Another thing that would help, is if we actually knew what cannabinoids we're getting. The analyses on the Durban Poisons I've tried came mentioned only THC, CBD and CBN. It would have been so interesting to know if the two that had the distinctive dark high had more THCV than the third that didn't. It's frustrating, because I can only wave my hands and say well, wonder if that's what was going on? I like Steep Hill's "strain fingerprint" - that's what tipped me off that there might be THCV in there - but you know there are reasons, from genetics to harvest and handling, why the reality may vary from the published strain information. If we had more real information - per harvested product - that would put a new angle in the search for trip weed.

I have one package that test 0.0 for CBD, and it's not bad - sparkling clear, energetic - but not real interesting. And another, to be fair, that is interesting - Mandala Satori - but while 0% CBD, it has 1.4% CBG - 1:10 CBG:THC. I guess that's unusual, but dang it, rarely have CBG info. I think it's important to bear in mind that 1:10 is on the high side for these accessory cannabinoids - we're often talking about an order of magnitude less, rather minute amounts.

Let's say it's really all about terpenes - can you tell us what terpene profile yields the trip weed experience? Then we can go to say the SC Labs site and watch the terpene tests roll in, and when the numbers come up, bingo - there's our trip weed! Maybe? If not, then we have work to do!

It is the terpenes. We will know which ones very soon, there are 140 found in Cannabis to test with THC, it takes time to say the least.
What really takes time is testing several terpenes at once with THC and trying each different ratio of the terpenes with THC, there are million of possibilities. I suspect we will need to be guided by looking at analysis of the most trippy Cannabis that can be found and starting with those terpenes in those ratios, also some terpenes may act the opposite, meaning you want to eliminate them from Cannabis when you are aiming at specific goals like trip weed. To be honest that is why I did the terpene tests I did, to validate my idea that the terpenes were what made almost all the different effects found in Cannabis, and to find the ones I wanted and eliminate the ones I don't want, all by breeding. I really knew that it was the terpenes as me and a friend RCC had vaped some 100% THC and was surprised to find 25mg vaped flat and boring with no individuality. Then we added some Skunk Dry sift naturally terpene rich, that was 50% THC by weight to the 100% THC, so we added equal weights of the THC and the resin and made a mix that was 75% THC and when we vaped 25mg of the mix the mix was more potent then the pure THC. It was the terpenes in the dry sift, I just had to prove it. So we did the terpene tests.
-SamS

 

[Riddleme]

Thought I would share the recent pairings I have growin, am expectin good things to come

1st pic is my Thunder99 X Kumaoni 1 week after the flip

Thunder99 is my Colorado Thunderfuck X Cindy99 (Bros Grimm)

2nd pic is my Thunderfunk69 X Kumaoni

Thunderfunk69 is my Colorado Thunderfuck X Cole Train (2008 cup winner)

3rd pic is my Thunderfunk69 X Zamaldelica
.

 

[MountZionCollec]

Thx for the info Sam, I was totally ignorant of terpinoids, still am, until I came across a post of yours. I have been looking through the research but no ones studies look as good as the one you did and they mostly speak in general terms/description that really don't wet the appetite. In another forum I thought you said the 12 person study you did was internal research and never published, sorry if I'm mistating, has/will it ever be released?

This winter I would like to do my own, as well as getting many Cannabinoid/terpinoid profiles done to help in mother plant selection, I will post the profiles of any I believe fall until "trip" category, maybe my giant bush Ace Malawi

 

[red rider]

Space truckin

Space truckin

I don’t know if this has been previously discussed but I’ve rarely “tripped” smoking any type of weed (with the exception of Thai). When I really tripped on cannabis I was eating it, the come on and peak are very psychedelic too me. Years ago I had some mids of god knows what but it was kind of low potency. I mean you got a nice buzz from smoking it and even the ISO was better but nothing special. I had a lot of it so I made butter with it and man it was 100% different. Smoke a joint, high for 20 minutes eat one cookie trip all afternoon.

Colombian "Coco Loco" made with Punto Rojo 06

I get very high/stoned smoking/vaping but to use the word trip with cannabis, I think I associate that word with edibles more than with a strain.

red rider