The Search for Trip Weed

[MostlyMe]

Tropical Seeds has Durban crossed to another fast African sativa, Ciskei. I have some beans of it actually, might grow them later this year - indoor that is. Tropical has lots of African strains, so I thought it was probably legit, but I don't know for sure.

There's also Seeds of Africa, although they call it Durban Magic. and Nguni, a South African company. Don't know anything about those, but might be worth contacting to find out more.

 

[Donn]

Excuse me if I've mentioned this before - think I have - the Durban Poison examples I've tried are very different, depending on combustion. Much better with combustion, that is. Vaporizer or oral, not much joy in them. That's two out of three different products from WA legal grows. The third is fine either way. Don't know if the difference is genetics or something like curing; don't know combustion is denaturing something bad, or converting into something good that was missing.

It isn't the only stuff like that for me, but the details vary a lot. I have some "Thai" that has a mean, fatiguing buzz that mellows out when burned, and these Durban Poisons that have weirdly little buzz until burned.

 

[Shooters]

Shooters - My kind of garden you got there. Nice. Please do go on about what Lionheart is and a detailed smoke report. Sounds like interesting work. Zamaldelica is definitely trippy by my definition.


Best,

ThaiBliss

http://www.kindgreenbuds.com/marijuana-strains/lionheart/

Lionheart

Almighty Seeds
Sativa
Origins: African Sativa x U.S. #14 Sativa
Flowering: 56-63 days
Harvest: mid September
Lionheart started with a surprise cross between African and U.S. genetics, which resulted in a plant that outperformed its garden mates by leaps and bounds. The breeder found the potency and the duration of the high to be superior to the other strains in development.
Best grown in pots or in a bucket setup, Lionheart is a natural multi-brancher intended for the outdoors even in northern climates like Canada. She requires little beyond basic care, and will outgrow any outdoor pests or competing bushes. She puts out long branches everywhere, each branch resembling a new plant. By harvest time there are worthy colas even at lower parts of the plant that get little light. Optimal yields can be obtained by spreading out her viney branches on a trellis. Lionheart’s roots grow extremely fast, although this plant’s cuttings are difficult to root. Buds are numerous, not rock hard but heavy, mold resistant and highly resinous. her fan leaves turn yellow in fall, allowing more light into the canopy and making manicuring easy.
When cured, Lionheart takes on a reddish brown color and has an incredibly long shelf life. Even buds that have been put aside in a box will stay sticky to the touch, breaking down into smaller nuggets rather than crumbling into dust. When fresh buds are crushed, fingers are left extremely sticky and the bud forms tight, stubborn little nuggets. the aroma resembles incense with a minimal green plant smell, and often overtakes the aroma of other strains in the room. When smoked as a pure joint or in a pipe, the buds burn very thick and slow, refusing to extinguish even when not being puffed. Spicy, appealing and intense, this high is a quality sativa, edifying to the mind and celebratory. This strain stands up to the test of time, continuing to deliver a good stone even with long-term regular use.

My bagseed has some indica bred into it causing three different phenos; one the lionheart pheno, two a grapefruit pheno and three is an indica dominant lionheart pheno.

I'm working with Buddle on getting some of Almighty's Lionheart to work with and now with my Zamaldelica male waiting in the wings to hopefully enhance the LH to trippy quality.

Last years lionheart:

 

[MountZionCollec]

I got mine from Dutch passion. They sell regular or fem. i yield 5-8 pounds on every one I've ran in 4' to 5' wide pots with full sun in balanced organic soil and no shaping of the plants. Smell is not super "stinky", more refined anise almost tea like and sweet and every plant yields a very similar high and smell though their are some 'slight' variations.

The Durban I grow is not clear headed (it's clean no drag/lag or crash) with high focus/energy and thought provoking but it's like adderall if you smoke too much your head feels super heavy and it can be a little overwhelming And throw off your sense of balance a bit but that's mostly for beginners. I farm all day on a hillside and it helps keep my body going during the day, my "businessmen" like friends smoke it to keep up the energy and focus on the job.

Recently I saw a description website posted below of Dutch passion Durban poison description and it changed and now says their was some "unknown" indica In the (early part) in the process. I think this just further shows they knocked it off Sams, and now they have some new/other breeders that are smoking pure sativa plants with unsativa like characteristics (colas the size of baby legs finishing in September) and their calling bullshit and with no evidence of how it was bred their response evidently is "their must have been some unknown indica in the early process" means we have no clue how it was done but we have it for sale . All speculation lol but something caused the change in wording. If you end up getting any ask them about it.

New version of story
http://www.dutch-passion.nl/en/cannabis-seeds/product/durban-poison/

Old version of story
http://en.**********.eu/strain-info/Durban_Poison/Dutch_Passion/

 

[buttyrekka]

@thai my experience was the same i bought DP's seeds thinking most expensive = best.
but got blueberry 1'st one mutant girl/6 males let'say i was "frustrated".
pop nirvanna's NL 8/females/2males hmmmm pop powerplant freebies 4/5 females..
the plants i know as durban had nothing but the worst upbringing.
the worst part of my room,the hardest germ conditions the least feed but they thrived.
DP's stock seemed inconsistant but the more i learn about breeding the less i seem to know,DP's Blueberry and durban seemed consistant i guess....dont know what they're like know though.

 

[Riddleme]

The description of the Kumaoni ,,,,,

The Real Seed Company - Kumaoni

Region: Himalaya
Genetics: Pure Himalayan Charas Plant
Latitude: 29N
Regional Harvest: mid-October to early November
Height: 3m - 4m
Yield: 1 - 2kg outdoors
Aroma: strong citrus, floral, hash
Characteristics: soaring high, intense vigour, great mold resistance, good CBD and medical potential

Probably the most euphoric charas strain RSC has found anywhere, this strain was found deep in the High Himalaya of Kumaon, close to the borders of Tibet and Nepal.

This is the strongest charas plant RSC has found yet in Kumaon, and probably the best too, with intense lemony, spicy aromas and a soaring euphoric high.

Kumaon was part of Nepal until 100 years ago, and shares the same Himalayan charas traditions. In the high valley from which this Kumaoni strain comes villagers rub soft "cream" charas for their own use, as well as rougher, quicker sticks.

Highly recommended to collectors seeking a rare and totally authentic Himalayan charas plant. Seeds are big, fully cultivated and so, where legal, are very easy to germinate. This strain can withstand the intense rain and humidity of the Himalayan monsoon, as well as the bitter cold of autumn nights at up to 3500m, so is well suited to adapting to outdoor use in northern climates.

The Nanda Devi and Pahari Farmhouse varieties previously released by RSC comes from a neighbouring valley to this Kumaoni. While the Nanda Devi was typically mango-scented, this Kumaoni strain is typically intense citrus. The combination of citrus terpenoids such as limonene with the likelihood of a good % of CBD in many plants gives this strain great medical potential. It is also recommended to people who find that cannabis helps with depression.

This Kumaoni is sure to lift your spirit, put a smile on your face and light up your world. Enjoy!

 

[buttyrekka]

please post a smoke report if you've smoked/grown durban the anise/licorice smelling weed how do you feel?
it would be interesting to see others opinions/experiences.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Thanks TB. This one has gone so much better by using more Osmocote mixed into the media than last time. I still overshot it this time, but the plant turned out pretty nice still.

I was thinking 180-200 too. The Mother came down around 165, but still needed more time. Ill update in another two months..lol.

I love the sound of what you got going on in your garden. I bet there are some fine plants to be discovered. Happy hunting! You have so many more varieties than I could handle at one time. Im happy with my Skunk, Thai, and Durban Poison.

Btw, all this talk of Durban Poison just warms my heart. Its not the fast flowering variety of Sam's, but still has the anise smell and taste from all reports. Flowers around 90-120 days according to strain description. I intend to make seeds with it, so I can share it someday in the future.

Dave - That Thai plant looks fantastic. Thanks for posting here. I'm guessing you are almost a third of the way to completion. I especially like this picture:


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Satva - It looks nice and cool up there. I lost count of how many days it has been over 100 degrees here... in the month of June!!!

People, this climate change shit sucks. I've decided to dedicate myself to breeding an outdoor strain with the trippy, energetic, and euphoric qualities of what I liked best from the old school Sativa strains that I grew up with. I have got to give people an alternative to huge indoor, greenhouse gas generating, commercial operations that are sure to expand as legal weed operations spring up across the world. Red Rider has got the right idea as far as growing traditionally grown Colombian weed. I want to find a weed that will be able to compete here at 42 degrees north.

I'm hoping to build on the great work that Charlie Garcia, Dubi, and friends have done with Bangi Haze. I hope that they do not think I'm going to be ripping them off by taking this path. After all, they have built on the great work that our ancestors have done in Nepal, and Africa for Bangi Haze. Every gardener is doing the same thing when they save seeds. Feel free to respond here or PM me.

Likewise, I'll be throwing Zamaldelica, SAGE, and others, at the Bangi Haze, growing hundreds of plants, and selecting for quality amongst the ones that still ripen early enough for my backyard at 42 degrees north.

I remember the weed I was smoking from California back when they were growing pure Sativa in California in the 70s. It was world class. They may have had the right idea when Indica strains were brought in to make it easier to grow. In my opinion, the growers in the '80s just took it a step too far. There were rare successes of early Sativa x Indica hybrids where most of the quality of the high from the Sativa side was preserved, and ripening times were greatly reduced. The mistake made, in my opinion for what I think is the best smoke, is that they should have bred back to the Sativa strain side to reinforce the quality. I believe they kept breeding to the Indica side and slowly over time, or not so slowly in 95% of the cases, lost the Sativa qualities that I cherish. Most probably, they didn't even realize it as newbie smokers and generations of plant strains were passed on and slowly evolved.

I'm always on the lookout for finding new (to me) early strains that can be leveraged for this outdoor trip weed project. Towards that end, I have a bunch of strains that I am testing outside this year:

2 more Bangi Hazes

1 strain from another local grower over in the next creek drainage. It is a combination of a Nor Cal strain and Elvis

4 plants from the results of my pollen chucking over the last 30+ years, the last outcross of which was an Indica leaning seed spawn of Trainwreck. It was actually quite good and had yellowish/copper colored early pre-ripe resins.

^^^
Shout out to RiddleMe here.


1 plant of a selection of L.A. Confidential (very peppery)

1 plant of a selection of Fruity Pebbles (Mendocino Madness)

1 plant that I forgot the name of. It is supposed to be very early and very easy to trim. I am calling it Easy Peasy.

1 Nepal Jam

1 Black Afghani Domina

2 Pit Bulls. These are interesting in that individuals of this strain have been claimed to be tested at 36% THC when harvested early, when 40% of pistils are have died. The most pronounced traits of the high are described as #1 euphoria, and #2 disorientation. I thought they were going to be just another Indica strain. They have fat leaves, but I now see that they are very lanky. Their stems also have a lemon herb aroma so far. A very refreshing scent.

My earlier thoughts this year with legalization upon us, were to grow some Indica knock out couch lock weed to appeal to the local commercial interests in combination with my trip weed endeavors. Hence the Black Afghan Domina, Pit Bull, etc. (Indica to pay the bills, Sativa for the thrills) but, I think I'll stick to my true passion and eliminate any of these strains from my collection that don't satisfy my own predilections, the aforementioned trippy, euphoric, and energetic qualites.

It is way too much work to try and develop or even maintain multiple lines. I'm going to concentrate on one goal, and use multiple lines towards this goal of this one line. If I develop some seeds that are consistent, I feel proud of, and possibly convince some people to grow outdoors instead of using electricity to grow indoors, I will consider my life a success.

I'll post some pictures of my outdoor garden later today if I have time. I have some days off of my regular 9 to 5 for the rest of the week.

What do you think?

ThaiBliss

 

[Dave Coulier]

I can't say Im surprised there may be something more than just a Durban african sativa in that bud you showed..That bud is fat for a supposedly pure early sativa. I would have sworn it was a SkunkxDP hybrid by the pic you posted.

Decidedly not pure. I believe Sam's line is pure with no outside genes introduced, so It makes me wonder if they're source really came from Sams. Maybe it was and they introduced some Indica genetics or something similar early on. I have my doubts DP really knows for sure.

I got mine from Dutch passion. They sell regular or fem. i yield 5-8 pounds on every one I've ran in 4' to 5' wide pots with full sun in balanced organic soil and no shaping of the plants. Smell is not super "stinky", more refined anise almost tea like and sweet and every plant yields a very similar high and smell though their are some 'slight' variations.

The Durban I grow is not clear headed (it's clean no drag/lag or crash) with high focus/energy and thought provoking but it's like adderall if you smoke too much your head feels super heavy and it can be a little overwhelming And throw off your sense of balance a bit but that's mostly for beginners. I farm all day on a hillside and it helps keep my body going during the day, my "businessmen" like friends smoke it to keep up the energy and focus on the job.

Recently I saw a description website posted below of Dutch passion Durban poison description and it changed and now says their was some "unknown" indica In the (early part) in the process. I think this just further shows they knocked it off Sams, and now they have some new/other breeders that are smoking pure sativa plants with unsativa like characteristics (colas the size of baby legs finishing in September) and their calling bullshit and with no evidence of how it was bred their response evidently is "their must have been some unknown indica in the early process" means we have no clue how it was done but we have it for sale . All speculation lol but something caused the change in wording. If you end up getting any ask them about it.

New version of story
http://www.dutch-passion.nl/en/cannabis-seeds/product/durban-poison/

Old version of story
http://en.**********.eu/strain-info/Durban_Poison/Dutch_Passion/

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I also made Skunk #1 X Durban Poison, very popular, even I liked it.....
and Durban Poison X Skunk #1
And Durban Poison X Early Girl
Zillions of them all. But not in the last decade.
-SamS

 

[Genghis Kush]

the pack of regular DP Durban Poisons im running is very uniform, very little variation.
the fan leaves are pretty big and fairly wide.
tall and vigorous


@sam

thanks, good to know

 

[Mustafunk]

I would say that all the Nirvana's, DP's and Sensi's Durban Poisons have been crossed with skunk and should be one of those hybrids that Sam mentioned. Those flowers don't have the structure of a pure NLD but more like a skunk or afghan NLD hybrid, same with the high. Which dutch strain doesn't have skunk/afgan genes anyway? lol.

On the other hand, much easier than finding a proper Durban somewhere and crossing to a Haze, why don't just try some Congo X Haze like this ones grown by my fella Waldy? Tropical Seed Co worked also with a great Durban strain (local preserved by African Herbman) and did some electric crosses too. But I confirm that all those congolese hybrids were very speedy and super clean. Shame that they turned towards more commercial strains nowadays. Market rules I guess.

i tried a wee smoke from feno #6 of the cpn x oth,
proudly presenting,

-the congolese spine haze-

the lemony-pine blend translates to the smoke, its quite harsh but delicius at the same time,
the high was so clean i didnt take it until my mind went totally stuck in the situation while tryin to choose a product from the freezer

killer. thanx bro

This is Herbman's Durban:

Peace.

 

[Thule]

Dave - That Thai plant looks fantastic. Thanks for posting here. I'm guessing you are almost a third of the way to completion. I especially like this picture:


View Image


Satva - It looks nice and cool up there. I lost count of how many days it has been over 100 degrees here... in the month of June!!!

People, this climate change shit sucks. I've decided to dedicate myself to breeding an outdoor strain with the trippy, energetic, and euphoric qualities of what I liked best from the old school Sativa strains that I grew up with. I have got to give people an alternative to huge indoor, greenhouse gas generating, commercial operations that are sure to expand as legal weed operations spring up across the world. Red Rider has got the right idea as far as growing traditionally grown Colombian weed. I want to find a weed that will be able to compete here at 42 degrees north.

I'm hoping to build on the great work that Charlie Garcia, Dubi, and friends have done with Bangi Haze. I hope that they do not think I'm going to be ripping them off by taking this path. After all, they have built on the great work that our ancestors have done in Nepal, and Africa for Bangi Haze. Every gardener is doing the same thing when they save seeds. Feel free to respond here or PM me.

Likewise, I'll be throwing Zamaldelica, SAGE, and others, at the Bangi Haze, growing hundreds of plants, and selecting for quality amongst the ones that still ripen early enough for my backyard at 42 degrees north.

I remember the weed I was smoking from California back when they were growing pure Sativa in California in the 70s. It was world class. They may have had the right idea when Indica strains were brought in to make it easier to grow. In my opinion, the growers in the '80s just took it a step too far. There were rare successes of early Sativa x Indica hybrids where most of the quality of the high from the Sativa side was preserved, and ripening times were greatly reduced. The mistake made, in my opinion for what I think is the best smoke, is that they should have bred back to the Sativa strain side to reinforce the quality. I believe they kept breeding to the Indica side and slowly over time, or not so slowly in 95% of the cases, lost the Sativa qualities that I cherish. Most probably, they didn't even realize it as newbie smokers and generations of plant strains were passed on and slowly evolved.

I'm always on the lookout for finding new (to me) early strains that can be leveraged for this outdoor trip weed project.

What do you think?

ThaiBliss

Early sativas, that's where my focus is too Only that I'm at 65' north, a durban poison would not even sex before the frosts.. Right now there are no signs of any global warming, this june was the coldest since '85 and the trend is cooler and cooler. Not once has it been warmer than 20'c or 68' F but we're managing.

One of last year's sativas, mostly Peruvian, part Ethiopian. Done by late August.



Not really tripping weed but I can cross it with anything I want, and some plants will always flower. This year I have some Nepal, Copalita, Zamaldelica and Mextiza in the mix. We might not have the same light intensity as you guys but these plants are flowering under 21 hours of sunlight, that's way more lumens per day than the tropics will ever receive

All it takes is the right genetics for the climate and a shitload of pollen chucking and selection. No need for indica, in fact all they would do is rot.

There are other strains that are super early, I just re-planted a bunch of Nepalese sativas due to a security risk, some of them were already starting to flower inspite of the cold. I bet they would start flowering within 3 weeks at your latitude, they behave that way indoors.

 

[Lacocina]

Thai bliss, Sam, Mustafunk, other contributors really enjoying the reading....

The Southwest is having a perfect season so far for me.... My most vigorous plants are the crosses of Candyland and Golden Tiger Red .. The Zamaldelica x Bay 11 is large as well. I do have them in 4x4 all organic with full sun... My favorite and most interesting is a thai looking pheno Zamaldelica x Panama .. Very thin sativa leaves and have been in flower since May... very healthy only 4' tall bush Pretty strange plant... I figure to let it keep going until mid November... Anybody have experience with something in continual flower ?

 

[gorilla ganja]

Early sativas, that's where my focus is too Only that I'm at 65' north, a durban poison would not even sex before the frosts.. Right now there are no signs of any global warming, this june was the coldest since '85 and the trend is cooler and cooler. Not once has it been warmer than 20'c or 68' F but we're managing.

One of last year's sativas, mostly Peruvian, part Ethiopian. Done by late August.

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Not really tripping weed but I can cross it with anything I want, and some plants will always flower. This year I have some Nepal, Copalita, Zamaldelica and Mextiza in the mix. We might not have the same light intensity as you guys but these plants are flowering under 21 hours of sunlight, that's way more lumens per day than the tropics will ever receive

All it takes is the right genetics for the climate and a shitload of pollen chucking and selection. No need for indica, in fact all they would do is rot.

There are other strains that are super early, I just re-planted a bunch of Nepalese sativas due to a security risk, some of them were already starting to flower inspite of the cold. I bet they would start flowering within 3 weeks at your latitude, they behave that way indoors.

Hello Thule, If you don't mind me asking were do you get your genetics from? Sounds like some strains I would be interested in.
Peace GG

 

[Mustafunk]

I also made Skunk #1 X Durban Poison, very popular, even I liked it.....
and Durban Poison X Skunk #1
And Durban Poison X Early Girl
Zillions of them all. But not in the last decade.
-SamS

Hi,

The Flying Dutchmen still offers the Early Durban and says it's an F1 so it should be one of those Durban/Skunk hybrids you made in the past.

As for your SE Asian genetics (Early Thai), the thai hybrids that Eddie used to offer as well were crosses made by you? In that case I understand that Thai Tanic= Early Thai X Skunk#1.

Were "Cambodian X Haze" and "Kerala x Haze" from TFD made from your genetics as well? How do you rate the Keralan strain? I've read somewhere that it was some of your favourites.

And because Seedsman used to offer Cultivator's Choice genetics as well in the past, I guess that perhaps their Mama Thai could have been your Early Thai in pure form or Thai Tanic as well?

Thanks.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

They started with all my genetics, and then later made some of their own.
I don't know what Flying Dutchman sells ask them.
Early Thai was my selection from thousands of Thais I grew in the last decades.
Kerala was mine as was Kerala X Skunk #1
Pure Kerala was a bit light weight but sweet as can be, the Kerala X Skunk was better in my mind.
You need to ask them about what they use today, I have no idea?
-SamS

Hi,

The Flying Dutchmen still offers the Early Durban and says it's an F1 so it should be one of those Durban/Skunk hybrids you made in the past.

As for your SE Asian genetics (Early Thai), the thai hybrids that Eddie used to offer as well were crosses made by you? In that case I understand that Thai Tanic= Early Thai X Skunk#1.

Were "Cambodian X Haze" and "Kerala x Haze" from TFD made from your genetics as well? How do you rate the Keralan strain? I've read somewhere that it was some of your favourites.

And because Seedsman used to offer Cultivator's Choice genetics as well in the past, I guess that perhaps their Mama Thai could have been your Early Thai in pure form or Thai Tanic as well?

Thanks.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

Below is another picture of a plant in my outdoor garden. It is from my seeds that I have been outcrossing and even occasionally line breeding for most of my life. Some of the strains that went into this:

Pig Weed - I found a plant that someone else planted on my property. I did not want to get busted for it, so I removed it. I also took a cutting and found it to be early ripening and the most productive plant I ever grew. I could get multiple pounds out of a short, 5 foot tall, bushy plant. It was obviously Indica influenced, but also had traits that reminded me of Mexican strains. Reasonably good high without couch-lock.

Perky - (Thai x Afghan) Enough Thai influence that people nicknamed it Edgy. LOL

Seeing God - Done by 2nd week of Sept, and easily in the top 10 for best quality and most potent high of any plant I ever grew. Well loved for it's spicy peppery good flavor. One of the handful of plants that haunt me and that I deeply regret losing. Would be extremely valuable genetics to me today. If I had a choice between the Thai Stick seeds I once had back in the 70s, and this clone, I'd be mulling it over for a long time. Thai Stick was a significantly better high, but the combination of the second earliest plant I ever grew, the flavor, and high made Seeing God the more valuable genetics. If anybody still has this strain, or a strain named Pine Cone, please PM me! LOL.

Purple Bud - Not my type of high, but hands down the tastiest bud I ever grew. Think honey oil. I named the line Purple Looker after this cross, but others nicknamed it the Dank Dank. It stuck.

Skunk #1 - Great Colombian-like dreamy high with sweet skunky/red wine like flavor. Crowd pleaser. Shout out to Sam.


Burmese - Not especially potent, but very high grade high. It was wonderfully euphoric at low doses, and trippy in high doses. Funky body odor and fruity flavor. People loved the flavor, would overdo it, and find themselves not enjoying feeling disoriented, and overly introspective. Did not affect me that way. Blissful and trippy to me.

Trainwreck (most recent outcross) - Not the elite cut(s), but from seeds made from it, or one of them. Afghani morphology with huge beer can buds and above average stone/high.

The Purple Bud in the line made a few generations afterward taste awesome, but I regret that introduction into the line since it was never the same as far as quality of the high. I was going to abandon the line after I found Bangi Haze, but due to Bangi Haze sterility issues, I think I'll look through a bunch to find one or three to use to breed with Bangi Haze. I also find individuals in this line that are massively productive due to bud size. I would not breed with one of those due to mold problems, but if the weather is good this year, it may come in handy.

Repost of a couple of pictures of the one of the other "Dank Dank" plants:

Happy Trip Searching,

ThaiBliss

 

[satva]

Punto Rojo

Punto Rojo

Punto Rojo chica, young, beautiful, and looking for love in all the right places.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Satva - That Punto Rojo is looking awesome. I'm really happy to see it doing so well.

Here is another picture of that super skinny leaf Bangi Haze I posted pictures of yesterday:

ThaiBliss