The Search for Trip Weed

[3rdEye]

Hi 3rdEye,

In my opinion, for what it's worth, the three most important keys to good quality smoke, effects and flavor, in order of importance are:

1.) Genetics

2.) Timing of Harvest

3.) Proper Cure

This assumes that the basic needs are met. For instance, strong light, minimum levels of nutrients, warmth, etc..

B.T.W., thanks for posting. What do you have that most closely qualifies as trip weed?

ThaiBliss

The closest i might have to trip weed currently would likely be the Tom Hill Haze F2 i am growing out. She is, as of yet, untried and it's only conjecture. Nothing i have fits the bill yet, although i am looking to acquire some gene lines that are promising.

Trip weed has not crossed my path as of yet. I have grown out a few euphoric sativas, but nothing that, to me at least, would qualify as trippy. That being said my body seems to like very high doses of mushrooms and/or cannabis. There have been some nice earwarping strains and some that have noticeable time slow down, but that is not trippy in my book.

Truly inspiring thread.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I tested one of my outdoor Bangi Haze plants today. There was nothing in the high that I did not like, but it did not seem quite as potent, euphoric, or energetic as the one I grew indoors. I'm a bit bummed about it because it was such a beautiful plant, and I was hoping that growing it outside would improve the potency. Part of the problem may be that it is competing with recent tests of the GN x NHz x MM that is similarly clean and euphoric, but tastes so good.

In the end, I probably won't keep either cutting. The GN x NHz x MM is tasty, has a good high, but the buds look like total crap. Neither are strong enough to overcome their deficiencies. These are my early judgments, so I'll smoke some more before I cull the cuttings.

SAGE and SAGE x Purple Haze Meao Thai remain the best of my collection. I am hoping to find something strong enough to roll these SAGE related cuttings out of my collection. I want good quality and very POTENT bud. At this point, they are too well rounded to let go. They are beautiful, aromatic, relatively quick, have nice highs, and decent potency. I better make a couple of extra cuttings as insurance since they just won't relinquish themselves as the best I have been smoking for many years.

I'll be trying more samples of Bangi Haze soon.


ThaiBliss

 

[bringyalungs]

tb, what's the longest you ever been high? most common duration I've read is 2 hours, have you been buzzed for 4 hrs, maybe 6hrs.... I recall have one pheno of SLH and I'm pretty sure I was baked for 4-6 hrs.... I not my health wasn't the best(liver issues) and someone recently told me that could of been the reason..anyways u guys been buzzed longer that 2 hours?

 

[ThaiBliss]

Mesophere,

There were many strains that I have smoked that had me ripped for about 6 hours, Thai Stick and Sumatran to name a couple. These are about as good as anything I've had in my life, and 6 hours is about the upper limit for anything that I can remember. On the other hand, it is not uncommon for me to feel a high where I still have a very slight buzz after 6 hours. This is not shocking to me. Maybe I'm sensitive.


What is SLH?


ThaiBliss

 

[Bob Green]

e.T. I had been wondering about your Zamal lady. You made her shine! Did you have a MM X Oax, or Thai x Oax growing next to her?

Thai bummer to hear your Thai x NH21 x MML plant might not be the keeper you had dreamed of. You put inn serious work on her for sure.

I think you will find your new line to bump off the S.A.G.E.

 

[Bob Green]

SLH = Super Lemon Haze

 

[Bob Green]

I know it has been said before buy it seems like Chimeras Highland Mexican is a great fit for potent trip weed.

 

[bringyalungs]

good to hear.... I thought I was just me... back to hunting... I have some GN thai sticks from the boutique... I'll put that on my to do list... thanks TB... hope all is well... one love

 

[MostlyMe]

tb, what's the longest you ever been high? most common duration I've read is 2 hours, have you been buzzed for 4 hrs, maybe 6hrs.... I recall have one pheno of SLH and I'm pretty sure I was baked for 4-6 hrs.... I not my health wasn't the best(liver issues) and someone recently told me that could of been the reason..anyways u guys been buzzed longer that 2 hours?

Well, one factor is CBD content. Us sativa lovers aren't too fond of it, but it does prolong the buzz.

Personally, I will only make it to 2 hours if I have some alcohol first. I dunno, maybe the alcohol keeps the liver busy, so THC isn't broken down as quickly, but a glass of wine or two really helps me to get higher for longer.

I may not be a good example though. I seem to build tolerance very quickly, perhaps because I work out a lot and my body is used to cleaning up crap. I am now at a point where I start thinking about replenishing the high after 30-45 minutes already, no matter how strong the weed. And whatever I smoke next, it will be flat and boring.

Time for another tolerance break I'm afraid.

 

[bringyalungs]

yeah mostlyme, that would suck.... your tolerance is to the gods... time out my friend, you've been a naughty boy....lol... u got that michael phelps iron lungs....

 

[MostlyMe]

yeah mostlyme, that would suck.... your tolerance is to the gods... time out my friend, you've been a naughty boy....lol... u got that michael phelps iron lungs....

The real tragedy is that tolerance breaks aren't as effective as they used to be. Last time I didn't smoke for 5 weeks and the reduced tolerance only lasted a couple of sessions, even though they were not on consecutive days.

Right now I would probably only get a faint impression of trip weed, not the full-on experience.

 

[Siever]

The real tragedy is that tolerance breaks aren't as effective as they used to be. Last time I didn't smoke for 5 weeks and the reduced tolerance only lasted a couple of sessions, even though they were not on consecutive days.

Right now I would probably only get a faint impression of trip weed, not the full-on experience.

You most probably smoke for a very long time already?
Try to give up regular smoking for a couple of months. During this time smoke like once every 2 weeks. Eventually you'll lose the tolerance for a longer time. That's what I'm doing right now & to tell you the truth: it's easier than I thought it would. Not always of course, but in general it is.

Kind regards

 

[BoldAsLove]

Interesting discussion on the length of effects. What I'm curious about is when do you declare the high over? When you feel like smoking another bowl? When you're back to baseline? Difficult to judge from person to person. I'm more inclined to appreciate the lasting effects of a good NLD plant though. The best almost always have an alfterglow following the peak of the high for me. A feeling of being where you're supposed to be, balance, and centeredness. The first time I smoked I was lucky to smoke something very complex. After I had a night of great sleep, the entire next morning and into the next evening I experienced these feelings. I've experienced very similar afterglows from many different NLD plants. Sometimes I find the afterglow to be much more focused, spiritual, and creative than the initial high, which can be a little crazy and confusing in some trippy strains.

A quick list of those I've experienced with afterglows:

Thai
Oldtimer's Haze
Unknown Mexican
Panama Red x WW
J-1
Zamaldelica
SM Colombian Gold x PCK
Jamaica Blue Mountain

I typically find the afterglow in WLD and hybrids to be either non-existant or numbing/sedating. Very rarely do I find a pleasant aftereffect in these (occasionally I will, see above). I'll usually end up smoking more in an effort to re-up the high, but can't get back there.

And for the thread, a picture of a trip weed hopeful @ 8 weeks

Zamaldelica x Oldtimer's Haze

 

[bringyalungs]

I guess for me,it would be over when your back down.... from what I remember the place was no longer hazy and dreamlike... the vibe was gone.... I've smoked in the night too and woke up high... like a hangover but from smoking... that same batch of SLH, I had someone also comment on waking up hazy the next morning too....

 

[Rinse]

I know CBD lengthens the effect but the longest lasting for me has been some Thai and African herbs, which are known to have very little CBD.
Only in certain tropical NLD have I found the 6 hour high's, and the good ones will do the same every day with very little in the way of tolerance build up compared to WLD/hybrids.

The only thing close in intensity and duration Ive experienced from WLD types is 1st dry sift resin from outdoor plants grown in full sun. In fact I've found certain WLD dry sifts to be absolutely as mind warping as any sativa Ive tried... But again this is not just any hash but 1st sift from plants that were already potent as bud (ie not high CBD plants)
The character of the effect is different of course but never giving them a real comparison Im not sure to what extent.

The best almost always have an alfterglow following the peak of the high for me. A feeling of being where you're supposed to be, balance, and centeredness. The first time I smoked I was lucky to smoke something very complex. After I had a night of great sleep, the entire next morning and into the next evening I experienced these feelings. I've experienced very similar afterglows from many different NLD plants. Sometimes I find the afterglow to be much more focused, spiritual, and creative than the initial high, which can be a little crazy and confusing in some trippy strains.

A quick list of those I've experienced with afterglows:

Thai
Oldtimer's Haze
Unknown Mexican
Panama Red x WW
J-1
Zamaldelica
SM Colombian Gold x PCK
Jamaica Blue Mountain

I typically find the afterglow in WLD and hybrids to be either non-existant or numbing/sedating. Very rarely do I find a pleasant aftereffect in these (occasionally I will, see above). I'll usually end up smoking more in an effort to re-up the high, but can't get back there.

And for the thread, a picture of a trip weed hopeful @ 8 weeks
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Zamaldelica x Oldtimer's Haze

Very important points that aren't discussed enough and well articulated BoldAsLove.
I have found pleasant afterglow effects in both WLD and NLD, strain and pheno dependent of course.
But your description of "A feeling of being where you're supposed to be, balance, and centeredness" is more apparent with NLD's.

What I rarely get pleasant after effects from are the common Dutch hybrids, the afterglow is one of the many subtleties lost in the modern bottlenecked high thc hybrid imo.

On the flip side certain strong NLD can have a nasty come down (mostly in bricked form which may have something to do with it).
WLD I find generally more predictable, mild tiredness, but rarely devastating.

To me Thai personifies the clear and exiting raciness developing into calm euphoria.
With many of the modern poly/hybrids its like you are rushed up then slammed down. They are more disorienting with jumbled thoughts, and the after effect, rather than warm and euphoric, turns edgy and depressive.

 

[satva]

to quote redfrogs, <vbg> speaking of Thailand grown Gold string Thai, on high duration.

"satva, thanks for your reply. I have charlie's destroyer for sure, even outcrossed it. It's not as powerful as gold string thai. Maybe i just haven't found the wispy long flowering pheno. The destroyer though has a very long lasting high (4-5 hrs?) compared to the gold thais (2-3 hr)."

Well said BoldAsLove - we need to define high, but a euphoric, peaceful comedown is an important aspect of the high. I prefer a high that mellows into a nice warm, peaceful glow, clean with less energy but no negativity or cloudy mind.

ThaiBliss, after GNT x NHz x MM, you should say Punto Rojo, only 21 weeks of flowering .....<lol> I want to believe 17 weeks after 3 months vegetation or old clones, am I dreaming?

can't quite get back there ```

for me - that's one of the beauties of Destroyer, and Highland Guerrero x Blueberry sativa, the nice afterglow and getting -back there - quickly, instantly cutting thru your previous state of mind.

 

[ThaiBliss]

To me Thai personifies the clear and exiting raciness developing into calm euphoria.

Well said. That is what I'm searching for. My heart is pounding because I'm suddenly feeling like I've been thrust into another very bright dimension, then I relax and enjoy the blissful beauty of it, even if I have to squint while doing so.

T.B.

 

[somethingGooey]

The closest i might have to trip weed currently would likely be the Tom Hill Haze F2 i am growing out.

Yeh Tom`s Haze is very special. I`ve grown only couple females but even those were very special. One pheno was very strong and a bit trippy. Very introspective, which makes you dive into the ocean of inner self. Also it was altering peripheral open eyes vision and little CEVs. Comparing intensity to LSD i`d say under 100ug dosage. High was long lasting, around 4-5 hours. It was not for a faint of heart weed but man i loved it. Def will grow it again.

 

[Siever]

Has anyone ever tried kali mist from serious seeds?

Siever

 

[MostlyMe]

You most probably smoke for a very long time already?
Try to give up regular smoking for a couple of months. During this time smoke like once every 2 weeks. Eventually you'll lose the tolerance for a longer time. That's what I'm doing right now & to tell you the truth: it's easier than I thought it would. Not always of course, but in general it is.

Kind regards

A couple months is probably not necessary. There's a study showing that CB receptor density in the brain is already back at baseline after 4 weeks max. And that study was performed on very heavy smokers. I think the trick is not to allow tolerance to build up in the first place.

For me it's also not so hard to not smoke, except to start not smoking I hate it when I have to change my routine.

Has anyone ever tried kali mist from serious seeds?

Siever

Yep, and I like it a lot. Very strong stuff, but no trip potential if you ask me.