The Search for Trip Weed

[ThaiBliss]

Riddleme - Glad to hear that the Thunder Express turned out so well. If those recent pictures you posted on your "End of the Rainbow..." thread are those buds, they look very beautiful also. Very nice job growing them. It is about time to get some new bulbs, and you have convinced me that shopping for the best UV spectrum is in order.

Satva - Thanks for the great stories, and comparisons of the classic old school trip strains. I will always love the Thai Stick, but that one special Neville's Haze had that high, but with less nervousness, and almost overwhelming waves of euphoria. I believe it was the perfect combination of Thai Stick, psilocybin like trippiness of the Acapulco Gold that you described, and euphoria. I was extremely fortunate to have experienced that, especially grown by my own hands. If I never find anything like it again, I will still consider myself to have been one of the lucky ones.

RC Colas - Thank you very much for posting here, making your recommendations, and especially for sharing the very unique Copalita Oaxacan. I'm looking forward to seeing how a good cure will affect the high. If the color cures to golden, then it will look just as you described with the purple tips. I do have Punto Rojo, reportedly from one of Kaiki's females.

Very much enjoyed this evening's read in this thread tonight. Thanks to you all.

ThaiBliss

 

[Riddleme]

Yeppers, here she is at the beginning of week 7

 

[Siever]

Hi Thaibliss,

When you say Jamaican ganja is trip weed, do you also mean double jam?

Siever

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hi Thaibliss,

When you say Jamaican ganja is trip weed, do you also mean double jam?
Siever

Hi Siever,

I've never tried it. I was actually referring to the Jamaican ganja I smoked back in the early 1970s. I have tried a Jamaican plant recently that looked a lot like Jamaican Blue Mountain, but collected by someone who went to Jamaica. It had some very good effects when harvested at the right moment. I let it go in favor of SAGE because SAGE was not as picky about the precise moment to harvest. I consider both to have effects that are borderline trippy. However, the Jamaican I have growing in my cabinet right now is a different beast all together, and looks much more like what I smoked in the 70s. It looks like it is free of any wide leaf genetics. Judging by morphological expressions, combined with my experiences, I would expect the Double Jam to be worthy of serious exploration.

I know that is not much to go on, but I hope that helps. Ask again 6 months from now when my 60s Jamaican Lambsbread is finished, because it is my understanding that it is a close relative to one of the parents in Double Jam.

ThaiBliss

 

[MostlyMe]

Ask again 6 months from now when my 60s Jamaican Lambsbread is finished, because it is my understanding that it is a close relative to one of the parents in Double Jam.

ThaiBliss

Or ask me in 2-3 months I got two Double Jam in flower, just started week 8. Here's one (on the left, the two others are Double Thai):

This isn't main cola by the way, it's a side branch that went crazy after I bent the cola.

 

[3rdEye]

MM those look superb. Not flowering times for the impatient. Are you running 12/12?

 

[ThaiBliss]

I love it. Looking very good MostlyMe!

 

[MostlyMe]

MM those look superb. Not flowering times for the impatient. Are you running 12/12?

Nope, running 11 on, 13 off in hopes of keeping flowering times on the right side of 20 weeks

I love it. Looking very good MostlyMe!

Really? Not too green for you? Seriously though, I've barely fed these girls and only now am I starting to see a little yellowing.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Really? Not too green for you? Seriously though, I've barely fed these girls and only now am I starting to see a little yellowing.

I'll start begging you to flush them when they look a few weeks away from being ripe. Be patient. Looks like you have plenty of time before I start harping on you.


To tell you the truth, it looks like they will continue to yellow on their own as they ripen at the nutrient level you have them at now. Most people panic and start adding more nitrogen when that happens. We'll watch and see what you do... I'll go looking for the eyes rolling graphic for when that happens.

Try and hold steady my man,

ThaiBliss

 

[MostlyMe]

Ah yes, the "Oh-God-they-are-yellowing-let's-throw-lots-of-N-at-it" panic. Been there, done that. Being an organic grower it hasn't done too much damage, except it might have delayed ripening. Nowadays, I like a little yellowing well into flowering - just not as extreme as you TB

I agree these kind of plants are likely going yellow on their own. If not, I will make them

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I'm very pleased to report that in less than a week, the Jamaican lady is showing pistils, quicker than I expected, greening up, and filling in the 3 foot x 3 foot space very nicely.

As you can see, the leaves are getting bigger and healthier looking, just in time. Now I'm worried it will be too big. It is a beast already! This is going to be awesome. I have been waiting for this for over a year, due to the first few I tried either not sprouting or turning out to be males, and coming off the longest flowering cycle I've ever experienced, 8 months.


ThaiBliss

 

[Bob Green]

Congrats on the sticky Sir! Cant wait to hear how the Jam turnes out.

 

[Koondense]

Congrats on the sticky Sir!

+1

A quick smoke report on my trip weed candidate, the Muay Thai superauto by Flash.



Buds are curing for 4 months now and the smoke is slowly changing for the better, smells are more focused and potency is higher, not by much but it can be noticed easily.
Bag appeal is not high, at least in comparison to indoor hybrid buds which can be found on the street in this time of year(but has way better smell and high in my opinion, my mates agree). Buds are fluffy, pretty whispy and I like it that way.
Smell of crumbled buds is sharp citrusy(kind of) with sweetness and berry smell, there's also some strong smell I can't describe well(goes towards an interesting female body odour). Anyway, always when I open my mini jar, everybody gets interested in the nice smell.

The smoke:
Taste is pretty low, somewhat sharp and spicy, a bit bitter and it's getting smoother with curing.
Smell of burnt herb is pure salty, sweet and very incensy, like in a church, many non smokers would not think it's cannabis.



The effect: (smoking method - joint 50canna/50tobacco - with carbon filter)

Getting stronger with time, still in the mid potent category(will stay there).
It gets you high with uplifting the mood and boosting the energy like a capuccino. I noticed the high differs(not uniform) depending on bud, sometimes it's lighter and sometimes a hit.
It's generally a creeper, different people get different highs, but mostly very pleasant and chatty, long lasting and wavy. Good herb for having a debate.

During a road trip I smoked an easy one and suddenly noticed sharper vision and increased awareness on details, moving becomes a different experience and sometimes it feels surreal, like a cartoon vision but still deep focused and a controllable high. My friends don't agree with that, maybe I'm more used to this herb compared to them.

Two days ago I decided to explore the ceiling of it and sincerely I didn't get close, my and a buddy smoked 5 joints in 5 hours and it still kicked us deep in the brain, every time harder.
The problem is, the high lasts for a long time, I swear I still feel being high 5-6 hours after smoking the first J of the day. Comedown is clean, but makes you want more.

Another problem is, sometimes it hits you and makes you lazy, even sleepy. But when smoking another one, it takes you back up and higher than before, wanting to do something.



Trippy weed?
I don't think so, at least with my smoking habits, however it hints at the psychedelic effect sometimes. Maybe with more sun exposition would become better in the trip department.
Makes a great partner with a little beer, such a perfect state of highness. Smooth, happy and clever high.


*I'll probably make another "official" report in a month or two.


Cheers

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks Bob Green, Koondense, Raco, Sam, Oldpink, and really every poster to this thread. It would be boring as heck and pathetic if I was the only poster here. I found out when I checked to see that my friend's thread got sticky, Red Rider's Colombian thread. Awesome thread by the way. I was surprised to see "The Search..." there.

Koondense - Love your smoke report, and I'm impressed you are getting those classic Thai effects from an auto-flowering plant so far north. It would be very interesting to grow that farther south in a sunny climate. I grew Nanan Bouclou indoors and was not impressed. Idiit reports that it is very potent when grown outside, but that his indoor grow of it was not as impressive. I'm going to try it in a greenhouse this summer. Some strains are like that, and some are not. I have grown very powerful weed indoors. As soon as I develop a rule/notion, something always comes along to prove it wrong.

Enhanced sensations, motion feels surreal, creeper, mood dependent, long lasting, wavy. All sounds like trip traits to me.


ThaiBliss

 

[Koondense]

Thanks ThaiBliss,
I think you are right in a way, it can be described as trippy but I would still expect more from a truly trippy herb. Maybe just some more photons and less rains would make a difference.
Just spoke to a buddy who tried a J of my buds last weekend and he literally said it was a very different and more powerful experience compared to the usual skunk he smokes. I don't believe he really smokes skunk, just some random indoor product.
He experienced some paranoia and gut tension and was not really functional for some minutes.
It can also kick on the deep introspective side

About your indoor results, I think this kind of plants would benefit from full spectrum lights, maybe hps doesn't do the trick with tropical strains(what light do you use, btw?).

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It's hard for us, quasimodern old kids, who were not there in the 60s or 70s and could never experience the flavours and smells of that era, to be able in any way of coming towards the old school strains and reach for effects they offered.
And thanks to threads like this and also others, we can glimpse a different world and have an inspiration for trying new(old), rare, unpopular or unknown varieties which got put aside by the general commercial approach.

People forget. Thanks for reminding us.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Koondense,

Thanks for the good vibes.

I use 400 watts of high pressure sodium combined with 400 watts of metal halide daylight lamb. I'm thinking of trying to find an unshielded metal halide to get the sunburn level of ultraviolet, or a third light like that in a bigger cabinet.

T.B.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Koondense,

Thanks for the good vibes.

I use 400 watts of high pressure sodium combined with 400 watts of metal halide daylight lamb. I'm thinking of trying to find an unshielded metal halide to get the sunburn level of ultraviolet, or a third light like that in a bigger cabinet.

T.B.

Tbh, I dont think you need to go in search of an unshielded metal halide. By their very nature they do emit uv radiation. I use a 600w Ushio MH Conversion bulb, and I do not like to work underneath it at all. I can tell the difference between it and HPS easily. Underneath HPS I get hot from all the infra-red they put out, but under the MH I feel like my skin is being burned if too close. You really feel it on the top of your head and neck. Obviously safety precautions are in order, but at least were working with a plant that can potentially cure skin cancer If you worked with an unshielded one Id fear you'll end up with one form of cancer or another. Get yourself an Ushio MH and avoid the danger.

 

[ThaiBliss]

You really feel it on the top of your head and neck. Obviously safety precautions are in order, but at least were working with a plant that can potentially cure skin cancer

Good advice. Use a wide brim hat and UV sun glasses for sure.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

The Jamaican ganja (60's Lambsbread) is male. All three seedlings I've raised are male. This is great news. Now I can, without hesitation, cull the male that showed some pistils. The flower structures I thought were pistils on this third plant, when chopped off and viewed under a scope, looked like a second small stipule up against the male flower. It did not even originate from inside the flower. I'll flower it another week or two to make sure it does not show hermie tendencies.

This changes my plans significantly. I've decided to flower a SAGE cutting, a SAGE x Purple Haze Thai, along with a Headband cutting that I have been wanting to try. The SAGE and SAGE x Purple Haze Thai cuttings were getting old and thick stemmed, and were due to be replaced with a fresher one. I'm going to spritz these replacements with a bit of Jamaican pollen, because..., I just can't help myself.

I will try and sprout a Punto Rojo, another Jamaican, and a Green Haze x Panama seed for the following flowering cycle. This should give me a good chance of getting a female.

ThaiBliss

 

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Smoked Chimera's Highland Mexican - 1972 Highland Guerero x Blueberry sativa - last night a combination of vaporizing some course sift and smoking flowers, kief from wheat like flowers, no real bud. Similar in looks to the GNT X NHz x MM, cured 9 months. Vaporization, the vapors go from perfume, > wintergreen > temple incense (a Nepal or Indian temple incense that smells more like perfume) not Frankincense which is woody/cedar/lime/sweet spice.

I'd consider Highland Guerrero trippy - similar to mushrooms, which I always had stashed for 6 years - mid 1970's. Closest to mushrooms, I've smoked is 1971 Acapulco Gold. The 1971 Acapulco Gold that came thru Miami- Atlanta and was trippy, wild, and fun. Chimera's is crossed to Blueberry so more euphoric and less wild and crazy, which I prefer.

1974 Maui Wowie, that I grew in 1975 - 1976 was trippy, a 2 hour duration/ verse 16 hour duration, and more euphoric, but the intensity of LSD-25 trip with dry sift and flowers.

I sat with people curled in the fetal position shaking, very afraid of the war like cartoon characters climbing up their legs. There are no monsters, try and remember evertyhing you took tonight.. ..Other people tripped and drove to work. I tried, but never had hallucinations. Headphones, Pink Floyd, other wordly, but not seing monsters or cartoon characters. For me waking up the next morning with a clear head and having your high experience seem like a dream or other worldly - is a trip.

I went on a long hike from my house, the usual 1 1/2 hour route along the creek path. Only last night, it took 5 1/2 hours. I was disoriented and went back this morning to re-create the 4 hour time warp, ~ dis-orientation~~~ Highland Mexican. This morning I I had a clear head, but was stiff from the 5 1/2 hour hike ~ which now seems like a dream.

The 1969- 1971 connoisseur dealers stash, cleaned seedless dark Colombian that came thru New York City was strong and intense the closest effect to 100% Pure LSD-25, which was cool, calculated and intense. Thai Sticks, for me had a cleaner, less intense high than LSD, although I never tested the ceiling of Thai sticks. Canabiogen's Meao / Hmong Thai has a cool, intense, and focused mental clarity. Chimera's Highland Mexican is warmer and more euphoric.

In 1971, and my college roommate a small NYC dealer had a connoisseur stash of charas, hash, and marijuana from around the world. All the best that came thru NYC in the late 1960's and early 1970's. Most of it was on par with Thai Sticks for potency, Thai was cleaner and more uplifting. The Colombian's were stronger with a dense more thought provoking and intense high.

It was perfectly manicured, cleaned, and seedless. His uncle had a connection to pure LSD, what was known as clinical LSD, or sometimes, just made using Timothy's formula, and was supposedly used in Cornell's Psychology department for research <lol> The point being, for most people, one bad trip on a rough batch of street LSD, was more than enough.

My favorite high from his stash was a 1974 Maui Wowie, bright orange and trippy, clear, electric and euphoric.

Hi Satva

It is always a pleasure to read the acounts of bygone strains.


Hi ThaiBliss

If you have not good luck finding Lambsbread 1960 females, you can try to turn some branches of your males into female with a source of ethylene, in order to make seeds to preserve the line pure, and to sample them too.

I hope you have more seeds so you can find a female. But if there is no luck not all is lost.

Best regards.