The Search for Trip Weed

[ThaiBliss]

Thule - Great post! Thanks for assuaging my fears about the potency of the Jamaican, and giving me hope. I could use a win about now, and the Jamaican sounds like it might be an example of what I'm after. One of the traits of trip weed, IMHO, is that ones mood has a big influence on the experience of the high. This is one of the reasons that I have put off smoking lately. I have had a stressful holiday season this year, and I did not want it to affect my judgment of the plant(s) in question. I swear that while I was reading your smoke report, and your last post is certainly what I would call a very good smoke report, I was thinking that you should try being outside, in nature, on a beautiful day while smoking it. It sounds like it has enough positive vibes that you are able to feel social under it's affects, which is a plus.

I was left wondering if they've had a fair bit of skunk in them, or if skunk has a fait bit of Oaxacan in it.

Very insightful of you. You hit the nail on the head. This was staring at me right in front of my face, and I did not see it. Bushweed was also saying the same thing to me, but I was not looking at it from the right angle. Bushweed said that the Copalita looked like it had Haze or another Amsterdam strain mixed in. I reacted negatively to that. I did not know W.T.F. he was talking about. You are looking at it from the other way, and suddenly it makes perfect sense to me. Talk about "being a slave to my preconceptions".


One of the better smokes I've had in the last 10 years was a sample of Thai x Skunk #1. The Thai influence was obvious, and it was strong and long lasting. It did have some fogginess, floatiness, and not the best taste, all of which I attributed to the Skunk #1 side. It did not taste or smell skunky, which I attribute to the Afghani influence in Skunk #1, so it seemed Thai and Mexican predominate to me. I also have experience with a very good cut of Skunk #1. That particular cut tasted spectacular, a mix of skunk, incense, and berry wine. The high definitely leaned towards the Colombian in my opinion. Writing about it makes me yearn for that one. It was very commercial, well rounded in traits, but with solid quality and strength of high. Maybe not what I consider world class, but if I had that cut now, it would probably be the best in my collection. The highs of both those strains have a bit in common with what I am experiencing from that Copalita. It is up, and to some extent cerebral, but not clean and clear. It is dreamy and relaxing, but not in a limb heavy couch-lock way. In sum, it is good strong stuff, but I seem to have something very particular in mind for my search. I desperately want a clear and trippy Southeast Asian kind of high.

MostlyMe - I have had lightning strike a half dozen or more times in the form of what I consider a world class cut in my possession, and I am a hobby grower. It could happen a couple more times. The difference now is that I would take much greater precautions against losing it.

I did not mean to come across negatively about commercial breeders. I thought I was just being realistic. Why would anyone who is trying to make money off of their cows, give away the prize bull who was their father.

ThaiBliss

 

[satva]

a clear and trippy Southeast Asian kind of high.

Destroyer favorite clones ready to flower. One gets crossed with Destroyer (DS) x Highland Mexican (HMBB) male; and the other crossed with Lemoncello/Guava pheno of Mango Haze (Thai-ish) x Highland Mexican (HMBB) male.

 

[marinemansf]

HOLY SHIT, THANK YOU Thaibliss for starting this thread, i just started a thread named "Most psychoactive strain youve tried, and the replys led me here. And i gotta say its EXACTLY what i was looking for, thanks for taking to time to post all this great info.

I thought i was alone in "the search for trippy weed," nice to see im not!

 

[HerBnGorE(illa)]

Hey everyone. Still lurking here in the thread. All the talk of the skunk crosses reminded me of a strange find a couple years ago. A good friend of mine had placed his yearly seed order (Ibelieve it was from seedsman) and his freebie seeds were of an autoflowerXskunk called polecat. (Not sure of the exact genetic makeup)

The polecat wasn't very good smoke at first, and had hermied to the point of being mostly seeds, so it sat in the jars for quite some time. When we returned to it it had quite a strange effect. It was extremely visually stimulating. It didn't have u seeing purple elephants or anything, but just enhanced the colors of everything. Made for the most beautiful, surreal sunsets!

The big downfall to the polecat (other than the hundreds of seeds) was it gave the amazing buzz, but only lasted for 15 or 20 minutes and then you were stone sober again. We started mixing it in joints with better weed, and that helped the buzz last longer.

I have a TON of the seeds from that plant still, but don't know how I would control the size of an auto flower in my space constraints (pc case) Any advice???

On a separate note, I have just popped my first reg malawi from ace. I don't have space for much pheno hunting, so wish me luck on finding what I'm looking for.... and even more luck controlling the sativa growth!

Thanks again to everyone here for there contributions.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Satva- Like I wrote in your rep, man... you are way ahead of me. Sounds like you are already well on your way to some nice trip breeding. How many times am I going to hear the name Destroyer, before I finally buy? I am dancing around the edges. I already have tested a male Purple Haze x Meao Thai, and I like it. I also have some seeds on the way of Angola Meao Thai. Zamaldelica also has a small percentage of Meao Thai in it. If I like these also, it could go in the soup and have a chance for a more pure Southeast Asian expressions in their children.

Welcome MarineManSF. Glad to see you starting to participate.

HerBnGorE(illa) - I have heard root restriction works well. Keep it in a small pot, 1 gallon or less depending on the size of your space, then you can up pot after a few weeks of flowering.

ThaiBliss

 

[satva]

Highland Thai x Highland Mexican (HT x HM)
(Destroyer x 1972 Highland Guerrero / Blueberry Sativa)

Late vegetation phase
HT x HM - 1 - Ridged leaf pheno - Thai pheno smells like Mom - Spicy/ Peppery / Sage

HT x HM - 2 - 50% Thai - 50% Mex - 9 finger leaves

HT x HM -3 - Guerrero pheno smells like dad - Mr. Zorrito ( Skunk ). Lighter green coloring

HT x HM - 4 - 50% - 50% pheno - 11 finger leaves on a 6 inch tall plant. Darker green coloring

HT x HM - 5 Meao Highland Thai pheno - smell similar to HT x HM -1

 

[satva]

Mango Haze x Highland Guerero / Blueberry (MH x HMBB) seedlings

Mango Haze mother is long flowering -super sweet with a Thai high. Smell Lemon/Guava/Rose. Jagged leaf - similar to some Thai plants. I've seen on Icmag. Father is a 1972 Guerrero leaning pheno from Chimera's Highland Mexican. This Mango Haze high is softer and less intense /trippy than Destroyer, but similar. The plan is MH -C x HMBB f2 and Destroyer x MH/HMBB. Destroyer mother smells are Sage/Frankincense/Spicy/Cedar.

Four seedling phenos of Mango Haze x Highland Mexican

 

[sweet-emotion]

Man, they look healthy and promising! great job

 

[satva]

Purple Haze x Meao Thai, and Angola x Meao Thai.
Hey ThaiBliss, all connoisseur sativas! Sounds like a trippy project. Angola gets rave reviews from the ICMag elite.

My next project will explore African genetics, maybe fast-flowering Reina Madre (Queen Mother) to get a taste of Zamal. Is Zamal's effect clean without the Malawi? And, or fast-flowering Mextiza?

healthy and promising!

Thanks sweet-emotion here's the mother mid-flower and father of the HT x HM shown -

HT x HM - A ` testing
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The Destroyer clones shown are from this seeded Destroyer mother crossed with HMBB. This mother has a softer effect, less intense than the mother in HT x HM -A.

HT x HM - B seeds are untested.
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[sota]

Greetings,

Onefinity - The variation of ripeness is pretty wild on that plant. In all honesty, I looked for fox-tails with the most red color I could find just as examples of what I was talking about. I think there is still less than 20% turning red (amber). It is visibly spreading. I believe Bushweed posted or wrote to me that he waits until the buds have a red sheen to them before harvesting. Perhaps this visibly red color, amber under the scope, is what he was talking about.

What is more amazing to me is the golden yellow color that is spreading. I would not be surprised if it ended up being half gold, half red in the end. I have heard that the Mullumbimby Madness strain has some Colombian in its ancestry. I can't help but think that it is Colombian Gold genetics that are expressing themselves in this particular plant. For a long time I have been growing with very low nitrogen, and low fertilizer in general. This is due to some experiences where using less made the high better and stunningly stronger. This causes more non green colors to express themselves, which is how buds looked when I was a kid. We never saw green buds back in the good old days. Golden colors were always the rarest, and the most sought after. This plant is way too easy to get the green out of the buds. No matter how this turns out, I have to try again with a little more fertilizer to see what happens then.

MostlyMe - The garden is looking good now. I think it is going to get very crowded in there if they grow anything like my batches do. My cabinet is 3 foot x 3 foot, and I can only fit two mostly Sativa plants in there. My next crop will be one plant.

The Copalita is surprising to me. It still is very dreamy/relaxing yet without making my limbs or facial muscles feel heavy or droopy like what I call couch-lock. It is strong, but not in the way that I'm hoping for. It really reminds me of most of the Colombian strains, which I have high regard for, but is not the focus of my quest. It is nothing like the special freaky Neville's Haze individual I had that looked like the Oaxacan that was used in El Dorado.

Sota - That is a beautiful picture of your Sumatran cross. I'd love to hear a detailed smoke report. I really don't know much about the genetics of NYCD. I have a cut of Headband, which I believe is supposed to be related, and it looks like Indica to me. The dude that gave it to me says it has a soaring high, and sighs every time he says "Headband". I've seen finished buds that have no fox-tailing at all. The more Sativa leaning variations of the Chem-Dawg lines do have fox-tailing. There are plenty of strains from various parts of the world that tend to fox-tail. Many strains fox-tail more profoundly in an indoor environment also. I thought I heard somewhere that there is Thai in it. I think I started a firestorm of posts when writing that before, so people have various strong opinions on it. I know nothing...

hi thaiBliss,
have a smoke report NYCD x SU in micro grows written.
Unfortunately no psychedelic effects, so I will spare you with a report, but the cross have a very high quality.
But it is more euphoric....

greetings
Sota

 

[Dave Coulier]

Purple Haze x Meao Thai, and Angola x Meao Thai.
Hey ThaiBliss, all connoisseur sativas! Sounds like a trippy project. Angola gets rave reviews from the ICMag elite.

My next project will explore African genetics, maybe fast-flowering Reina Madre (Queen Mother) to get a taste of Zamal. Is Zamal's effect clean without the Malawi? And, or fast-flowering Mextiza?

healthy and promising!

Thanks sweet-emotion here's the mother mid-flower and father of the HT x HM shown -

HT x HM - A ` testing
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=53688&pictureid=1252528View Image https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=53688&pictureid=1252765View Image

The Destroyer clones shown are from this seeded Destroyer mother crossed with HMBB. This mother has a softer effect, less intense than the mother in HT x HM -A.

HT x HM - B seeds are untested.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=53688&pictureid=1346677View Image https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=53688&pictureid=1336297View Image

Thanks for the picture's of your exotic beauties. They're lovely, but I cant help but notice their missing alot of fan leaves..what happened?

 

[satva]

...what happened?

Hey Dave,

For better or worse, I defoliate, and bend the growing tip horizontally along wire cages in flowering to increase light penetration. Perhaps, distributing "the plant's energy" to many stems instead of one columnar stem. For better or worse - defoliation is part of my micro-grow plan. I'm a small hobby grower with enough Destroyer / Highland Mexican stash for many years. I use the leaves to make butter, then Chocolate fudge. Not all is lost via defoliation ~ new meaning for Chocolate Thai. The high from Destroyer fudge is calmer and less trippy, not so destroying as a couple of bong hits.

In an initial seed run, I keep mature plants about 15" -24" tall. Compared to a bushy ;-) -- outdoor grow ~ 15' - 24 feet tall. Highland Guerrero / Highland Thai plants would easily grow bushy and 20 feet tall in an ideal outdoor environment.

I was planning to stop growing for awhile, as I'm losing interest in indoor growing. Then, I got fascinated making seeds. I utilize small cabinets - flowering with low total wattage of T5 and CFL lights on the ceiling and walls + natural light, as often as possible. No fans, no filters, no chemicals, organic indoor growing, as simple as possible, with as little environmental impact as possible. Light penetration is a challenge with florescent lights! I try for 9 - 15 branches / stems from a female plant. Grown horizontal as close to the light as possible. Florescent lights penetrate 1 foot from sinsemilla colas to seeded buds below, but won't penetrate 6 feet, on a sativa columnar grow of Thailand, Colombian, or Mexican. Even with 24" tall plants, light penetration is a concern with a low wattage florescent light source.

Total yield is not an issue for me, but yield per watt should be. I utilize natural light as much as possible. My increased light bill from growing adds ~ about $6 / month for 6 mature plants.

Destroyer and Highland Mexican are vigorous strains, with huge fan leaves that can quickly overgrow small grow environments and neighboring plants. I keep them in small pots, bend the growing tip, and defoliate with the idea of creating as many bud sites as possible on the females and stunting the growth on the vigorous pheno-types, until I'm ready to flower them all.

I use a tiny amount of pollen on an artist paint brush. Once selected, I'll cut back the males to one or two branches, isolate them, and flower males on a window sill, or outside weather permitting. At my house, male plants get cut back, especially the Highland Mexican males that have extreme vigor.

During this grow, I took a + 2 week vacation, utilizing larger than normal containers, with several plants per containers. A few of the plants - grabbed most of the space. Plants had individual leaf stems larger than the main stem of others. Destroyer and Highland Mexican are more vigorous, for me, than Mango Haze. Pheno-types from Destroyer and Highland Mexican seem okay with the horizontal vine approach to growing.

I usually select 3 plants to flower / 3 veg from ~ 20 seeds. I keep the 20 seedlings, till it gets crowded, and begin culling plants early. I stress the vigorous ones to keep the growth of all plants uniform, until all plants are selected, and ready to flower. In the early vegetation phase, its crowed for awhile in my small cabinets, as the plants go from seedling stae to vegetation. The more vigorous plants get stressed, defoliated and bent prior to flowering. I cull plants with wide leaves and wide inter-nodal spacing, or plants with significantly more or less vigor than the others.

In the Highland Thai x Highland Mexican - B seed run - the parent plants were 15" tall just big enough to seed several branches and get enough sinsemilla smoke to test for future projects. I pollenated from two Highland Mexican males, on three females. The Highland Thai x Highland Mexican - C project utilized a Destroyer (DS) x Pakistani Chitral Kush (PCK) mother - DS/PCK-C) , which created denser flowers and stouter plants but too much indica influence for me. ( DS/PCK-C ) has a nice frankincense smell in the jar and smoke. The effect is spiritual, calm, but lacks the clarity ~ less clear and trippy than Destroyer.

With or without fan leaves the Highland Thai x Highland Mexican - C seed project is on-hold, unless someone knows how to breed-in the spiritual effects and breed-out the lack of clarity. My next seed making goal / project is creating a spiritual effect. The past two weeks I've been vaporizing all sorts of blends. Hoping to find a spiritual effect. Destroyer-B and the Mango Haze -C x HMBB seeds (Guava/Lemoncello Thai pheno-type) are the main ingredients so far. Destroyer x Mango Haze -C / HMBB seeds will be made from the plants in the photos. If the result is less than good, I'll consider new strains advertised as spiritual. Highland Nepalese, often gets noted as a spiritual strain

I have 3 cabinets - 12" x 22" x 30" tall ~ 110 watts, 14" x 26" x 36" tall ~ 186 watts, and 26" x 26" x 50" tall 250 watts up to 325 watts. I also have a large cold frame 48" x 120" x 30" tall. I plan on flowering the males mostly in the cold frame this spring, although spring in Colorado can be brutal. My house has big windows. I utilize as much natural light as possible and carry plants around to the optimal light or dark location.

Destroyer and Highland Mexican make huge leaves but my experience is that - mid-summer sun very blue color + 6500 kelvin, encourages vegetative leaf production even at 11 hours of light and 13 hours of dark. Also, too much summer sun, without defoliation and the plant doesn't fit back into a small cabinet.

I've been organic vegetable gardening for over 30 years. And yes, I pinch, prune, and defoliate my heirloom tomato plants. I make 80% of my vegetable seeds. In general, I understand outdoor growing better than indoor growing. At some point - I'd like to do a specimen grow of 1 -2 plants in the 26" x 26" x 50" cabinet - or build a legal (in Colorado) / locking outdoor grow space. Fudging along indoors towards my first Highland Thai x Highland Mexican - A, harvest ~ 15 weeks and counting.

Cheers!

 

[satva]

Fan leaf heaven - may they rest in peace!
~ Destroyer fudge / Chocolate Thai............if you love chocolate ;-)

 

[Dave Coulier]

Its been awhile since anyone has seen my other Thai lady, so I snapped a couple of shots of her. She's 85 days into 12/12 from seed and is finally budding nicely. I have a long wait though..

 

[t99]

Beautiful plant DC! Is this the GN Thai Stick Sativa that is EOL on the Bou ($38)? Love those thin leaves! Looking forwards to a smoke report next winter. Good luck!

 

[Dave Coulier]

Beautiful plant DC! Is this the GN Thai Stick Sativa that is EOL on the Bou ($38)? Love those thin leaves! Looking forwards to a smoke report next winter. Good luck!

LOL, hopefully sooner . Yes indeed it is, the one and only. Im glad you brought to my attention their EOL. Classics Seeds are also on a discount right now. I better place an order before anything I want sells out. Thanks for the tip.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Day 85 Thai Stick B

Day 85 Thai Stick B

Ive had some odd growth occur recently on my Thai Stick B that I thought Id share. This occurred a few days after feeding at 150N when soil solution dropped to low fertility. Id been feeding at this strength whenever fertility dropped low and I hadn't had any issues like this till now. Im gonna have to lower my N levels for these ladies. Ill test out 120N and see if this new growth subsides.

The first four pics will illustrate the new growth. The last picture is a bud flowering normally.

 

[Waldgeist]

is there maybe some tripweed?

namibia, growers choice

wos. wild thailand. 555

thai x nepalese highland #5

ghana #1, bushfire pheno

 

[ThaiBliss]

Too much:

Not Enough:

Just Right:

Problem is, she is changing on you all the time, with ever decreasing N requirements. Thai is a high maintenance girl. She will give you lots of time to dial it in, except that by the time you do, she will change.

ThaiBliss

 

[Riddleme]

Isn't that a woman's prerogative ^^^ LOL