the potential in south america

[Guest]

Can't wait to see what they do out there. I can't wait to see some south american guys grow these 150 day flower colombian blacks

Hi Paz, Zamiloto

Beutifull pics there Paz, very nice work.

The Blacks and Golds can take this long to flower away from the equatorial environment of origin, i too would love to see some grown and documented correctly in there native environments. From the seeds i got germination was poor. But we have enough for reproduction. I have one selected and in the greenhouse that is just creeping into flower now, been growing since Jan so over 10m old now, i expect the full plant to finish somewhere around March maybe later next year, lol. There are equally long flowering 'Creeper' and 'Gold' Cultivars from the highland areas.

My bests, Q

 

[motaco]

how does it do when starved?

sometimes when I get those damn long flowering sativas I pretty much just quit feeding them. only enough to keep them alive. depending on strain sometimes they'll finish more than a month early.


plants react differently to it but sometimes its worth doing.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

hola zamalito, queijo. how is it going?
how big do those 10month old plants get? do they they yield a ton?
what kind of high is it?
thank you.
peace

 

[zamalito]

If you decide you want to grow some paz, just let me know.

I'm not sure about the size though I'm planning for them to be quite massive. I'm just about to start working with them. Queijo has gotten a headstart on me and perhaps he can answer much better than I. Luiz didn't tell me much about them other than that they were flowering for 150 days before he harvested and that they could've gone much longer. I've also heard from a very reliable source that some of the golds can be the same way but I have yet to see them. What I've been able to gather regarding the high of the colombian black as it is traditionally produced in colombia is that its somewhere around halfway between a gold and a red regarding the high. It's not full on sedative like a red but not as psychedelic as a gold and that it's very strong and always among the most potent of what colombia produces. Its the kind of high that effects you fully in every direction. This info is all 2nd and 3rd hand from books articles and friends, so who knows?

 

[redrider]

From what I understand the "black" Colombian is now being cultivated in the mountains around Manizales and from what I recently found out is very potent, more so then any other Colombian. I might be able to get some next month and give you a full report.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

thank you zamalito and red, sounds real nice, i had never heard of colombian black until now it is cool the world is big and one can find out new things every day.
zamalito, check your pm please!
one love.

 

[EddieShoestring]

Hi Guys-
i was chatting to a Colombian grower in a bar earlier today and rembered this thread-he was in Amsterdam to party and to buy seeds; i asked him about the Colombian native/landrace strains and he said that it was all crappy hermi sativas with low thc. He said that alot of the famous Colombian strains, including Santa Marta Gold , had been lost in the 80s when ganja was abandoned for cocaine.

Now he, and his growing friends, come to Holland to get indica genetics. Guess what-he was going back with some Lowryder seeds to spread around Colombia-what a bummer, eh?

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

and then you woke up from your dream because you fell from the bed?

 

[EddieShoestring]

no-then i roll another spliff of the Nepalese from 420 and settle down to Jimi Hendrix

as i said-i only met him in a bar-but he was definently Colombian and definatly a grower so i guess he's got to know something about it

it's not THAT surprising-Dutch/indica genetics seem to be widespread in other geographically related areas (ie Jamaica)-i thought that it was interesting to perhaps see that process happening with this guy

ps-i've just got in from the Cannabis Cup

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

it just seems weird, considering that indicas and indica dominant plants grow like lowryders in the colombian latitude. lowryders would grow like 2cm runts i bet.

be well.

 

[zamalito]

Paz, roflmao! Fucking hilarious the guy talks about how weak colombian herbs are then he buys some lopwryder seeds. Colombia is 12/12 year round. What's the point?

I'm not laughing at you eddie. I'm laughing at what this guy said. I don't doubt that there's ignorant colombian growers just like there's ignorant american growers. Sounds like everyone I know that's growing seeds direct from colombia and I all have better colombian connections than the guy you'd met and none of us are originally from colombia. All of us have colombian seeds that are much more extreme sativas than the most extreme neville's haze phenos. That's for sure.

I hope its not true but that's really upsetting to see someone in colombia bringing back lowryders. Lowryder has it's purpose but it's the absolute worst to introduce to the colombian gene pool.

 

[EddieShoestring]

I'm not laughing at you eddie. I'm laughing at what this guy said

i realise that Zamalito -and i realised that him taking Lowryder back to Colombia was odd and probably a bad idea-thats why i questioned him about it-

he was getting Lowryder because he wanted small compact plants and someone had told him that they were what he needed and sold them to him-
i told him it was a mistake and suggested K2 for a compact indica

it does illustrate the differing perspectives of growers in various regions-and how this is altering the gene pool-was also interested to hear what he was saying about loosing strains when the growers went over to coke-as that sounded more plausible

the picture that the guy painted-ie the only genetics available to him being poor quality seem to be confirmed by the Colombian guy posting here

That fact is Colombia is full of commercial "mersh" and finding the really good is next to impossible

so i recon the guy was just an ordinary grower who was not in the insider loop who wanted to grow some decent weed-can't condem him for that

 

[redrider]

Ha ha ha, of course Colombia is full of mersh but its not all low potency, in fact most of the street grade weed is stronger then the mid grade I got in the states. There are many strains of killer Colombian still around and getting better, Santa Marta Gold and Punto Rojo(some of the finest cannibis ever) as well as many un named strains that grow in very remote regions. I grow indica here in Colombia and lowrider would not work. I think you just met a drunk Colombian, look at my pics and tell me you think Colombian strains are low potency.
Peace from Colombia

 

[EddieShoestring]

hi redrider
i'm not dissing your weed-or your countries weed and the guy was clearly confused as to what he had bought-i've had a whole week of guys in bars claiming to have the ultimate secret for growing the best weed -so take everything with a pinch of salt

 

[redrider]

Really if you think about it the guy you talked to in the bar could very well be a Colombian grower. But he is one in a million cause Colombian growers couldn't afford to buy seeds much less travel to Amsterdam. Its all good you just haven't been introduced to the right Colombian yet.
Peace from Colombia

Pure Colombian high altitude Sativa 2006

 

[muddy waters]

i was gonna chime in last night when i read this thing about the colombian guy in amsterdam. it's the same thing i think about the story of brazilians going to amsterdam. i don't doubt it happens, but only the rich, it isn't very representative at all of your average juan...

the guy wanting to buy lowryder also makes me think it's probably an urban situation, possibly indoors, maybe a pc grower. then it might make sense.

speaking of amsterdam, though... colombia strikes me as a very permissive place... the possession laws are maybe the most liberal in the world, and i heard one of the biggest soaps on tv now there is about a prostitute who is contemplating getting a tit job... then it's something like 90% catholic... interesting catholics they have down here

 

[shasta]

Red,

This would be the mid 70's, much Columbian in circulation....only saw the Black once though, it was too much for me. Ended up passing the oz to my older brother, a heavy smoker at that time. He couldn't take it either, reported heart racing etc. FWIW, received my first bag of "seedless pot from California" about that same time..that was the beginning of the end of non-domestic available, at least to me. Shasta

 

[muddy waters]

could colombian black have been laced with opium? they've grown poppies in colombia for decades as well. i don't know if the raw opium would cure black, though. but the blackness could come from some decomposition processes. it would explain the sedative effect. i know that opium-laced hash came out of the golden triangle area or elsewhere in asia; it might not be such a leap that something similar would come out of colombia... it seems likely as well that since the landowning class is so concentrated, some herb and opium plantations were owned by the same dons. but this is purely conjecture of course.

 

[zamalito]

I don't believe its opiated but its a good guess. Queijo says that it comes from deep purple coloration. Before I'd ever heard of trichomes I'd seen buds of the roadkill skunk type in the south that had had black resin all over the edges of the small bud leaves. I'm thinking that in that case the heat from compost pile in the sun type cure had possibly cause volatilization and condensation of the resin. I believe in the case of colombian black its a combination of a really long flowering time in a humid area, high level of dark pigments, high resin content, and a sun cure. The bud that was rarely available in the u.s as cauche, wacky weed, colombian black, and sometimes sold as a green strain was supposed to be the least attractive of the higher grade imports.

 

[redrider]

We are going to have to find out what this "black" Colombian really is. My family source tells me he has tried it and it is very potent. But he called it something else, I will have to get my wife to spell it correctly in Spanish (for Raco) but he said it isn't really black in color but dark purple and sticky. I will find out more in December when I go visit for the holidays. Medellin is said to have Colombian grown AK-47 and Blueberry for and unheard of price of 20,000COP per gram! I will look into this when I am there in December as well.
Peace my friends


Colombian Gold 06