mjshouldbelegal
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the potential in south america
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muddy waters
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no doubt zamalito and fritzman's genetics will be a valuable addition to the online market... congrats
the paraguayan brick weed was mentioned here... first it should be said that a lot of the better paraguayan brick, that is, the stuff that has been most caretakingly chopped and smashed into bricks, is skunk hybrid stuff. i have grown out seeds that look like dutch plants.
on the other hand, there are some sativas still being grown. since the phenomenon of commercial growing along the brasil paraguay border is relatively recent, they probably aren't indigenous varieties... i believe the sativas would be colombian, as before amsterdam became big in the 90's, colombia was the world's largest exporter of cannabis seeds for several decades at least.
the paraguayan brick weed was mentioned here... first it should be said that a lot of the better paraguayan brick, that is, the stuff that has been most caretakingly chopped and smashed into bricks, is skunk hybrid stuff. i have grown out seeds that look like dutch plants.
on the other hand, there are some sativas still being grown. since the phenomenon of commercial growing along the brasil paraguay border is relatively recent, they probably aren't indigenous varieties... i believe the sativas would be colombian, as before amsterdam became big in the 90's, colombia was the world's largest exporter of cannabis seeds for several decades at least.
much good luck mr. zamalito 
spreading good seed at a good price is good work.
moving down south as well?
one love!
spreading good seed at a good price is good work. moving down south as well?
one love!
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muddy waters
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i second what brother paz said about 'at a good price'... i don't see why prices couldn't be different according to where the seeds are being shipped... third world growers will rarely be able to afford anything over 30-40 US. the monthly minimum wage in brazil would buy two or three packs. a minimum wage worker in the u.s. meanwhile could afford a pack after one day's work.
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I am coming in a bit late but (refering back to the first page) "redrider" those plants look really exotic. I love sativas, I am so sick of the cali medical scene where its all purple, all the time or its considered swagg.
Lots of great info in this thread, thanks for spreading the knowledge. peace dj highst
Lots of great info in this thread, thanks for spreading the knowledge. peace dj highst
....but this days you find skuny plants in the brick
well, the colombians i have been growing so far are all from seeds i collected from colombian brick weed that arrives to the place where i live, and the plants finish a lot sooner than the highland colombians sativas and seem to be very skunky, which to be honest, are not my cup of tea.
peace.
peace.
redrider
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Out of all the domestic Colombian I have bought and smoked, I haven't seen anything even remotely indica. And from seeds I grew out none showed any indica characteristics in leaf pattern or flowering (most are very long flowering). The story is that in the 70s Colombian druglords imported some "super" Afghan seed into the Guajira and Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta zones, just for export to the weed hungry north. I have never had this strain or even heard of it down here. The samples I obtained from this region varied from bright golden hash (hashish like fine blond Lebanese not skunky like black hash) like bud clumps to long green pine smelling fully seeded spears. The taste varies but the highs are all happy, smoke the whole joint, medium to low potency. Its a very nice unique high but you need to smoke a good bit to get there and somewhat short duration. Nothing like an indica high to me at all, maybe its just really "acclimated" and really is a hybrid. The only indica I have seed or smoked in Colombia is what I grew for myself (mmmm Colombian Mountain grown indica). So I really don't see any indica impacting the domestic Sativa here in Colombia but I am sure I've only sampled a tiny percent of whats really here.
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Up through the 90's there were awesome sativas on the market in Brazil. Alot of good red bud such as "Rabo de Raposa" or "Manga Rosa" "Cabrobro", there were some really tastey earthy spicey buds in the Central to Northeast of Brazil. Every once in a while some super special golden and blond buds would come around. They usually were twice to 2.5 times the price of the red bud ($50 =50 grams or $500 = 1 kilo) , but it was true connoiseur sativa.
Down south in Rio and Sao Paulo you could find this bud imported, and it cost more than up north, but was still available back then. Paraguayan herb was also becoming very common down south and most of it came across on trucks loaded to the hilt. At first, the Paraguayan brick weed was highly sought after for being greener, different flavor and strong. Some bricks we'd get were fresh, light green and smelled more on the indica side allthough usually premature yet very little seed.
After a while though, there seemed to be a huge influx of the schwag, mexi type bud from Paraguay as a result of this demand and greater border control by the cops. The commercial dealers began mixing ammonia and other crap to the weed to mask the smell. Sometimes we'd open a bag and our eyes would literally water. It was black and sometimes even wet, full of seeds and stems and caused major irritation in the lungs, but got people high as hell..
After some major busts on plantations in Pernambuco and the surrounding areas (and gnarly repo laws) as well as a system of roadblocks were in effect in the mid to late 90s, the flow of good sativas from the northeast was choked and stayed regional.
During the late 80s and 90s, this increase in crap brick weed, harder access to good sativas and demand for good herb forced connoiseur Brazilians to begin importing alot of cheap workbud from Holland. A mule (usually upper middle class stoner) would fly over there, stuff a stereo full of pressed bud and fly back with 20 pounds of "green" or "skunk" like it was all called.
Buying that quantity at a buck a gram, it is sold in Rio and Sp for $15-20 a gram, so it flourished. Since bribery and corruption are no novelty, alot of times airport connections would facilitate large shipments. I suspect it was maybe from the bagseed of this herb, that commercial planters next door in Paraguay began using in their fields, because the bud was so light green, and tasted very different. It does indeed have that more pepperminty taste and is more indica in appearance although pressed.
While there recently I came across some black pressed "bengala" which is the current high quality local bud in Rio. I was not impressed, as it was seeded, stemmy, seemed like the average red bud (black) pressed and fermented. I did bring seeds back to germ, but none did, leading me to believe that for sure it was fermented or what not, like you guys were describing. One day at the beach I met a kid that flies over to holland periodically. When I told him I knew a guy or two in Holland, he asked me his name, and sure enough they were also friends. The guy was so stoked he took me to his house and started breaking out bags of herb. I couldn't believe it, he had 100 grams of White Rhino, vacuum sealed bags of Hawaiian Skunk (red, hazy, not that great, but more expensive), some Whitw Widow and maybe 10 other types of bud including Sour Saver, Jack Herer, etc. He proceeded to roll a joint of the different varieties and we told stories of our friends in common etc. what a small world. So now I'm in Rio with 5 different types of chronic straight from A'dam, bengala, and some grandaddy purple bubble I took. Needless to say , my friends in Rio could not believe it when I rolled back to the pad. They couldn't believe I had that connect from a stranger.. all those varieties. They were dumbfounded.
Anyway, I suspect that those Paraguayan landraces are in danger of getting crossed with the indicas over there just because the large plantations are not checked in Paraguay. Paraguay near the border is very scary place.
Down south in Rio and Sao Paulo you could find this bud imported, and it cost more than up north, but was still available back then. Paraguayan herb was also becoming very common down south and most of it came across on trucks loaded to the hilt. At first, the Paraguayan brick weed was highly sought after for being greener, different flavor and strong. Some bricks we'd get were fresh, light green and smelled more on the indica side allthough usually premature yet very little seed.
After a while though, there seemed to be a huge influx of the schwag, mexi type bud from Paraguay as a result of this demand and greater border control by the cops. The commercial dealers began mixing ammonia and other crap to the weed to mask the smell. Sometimes we'd open a bag and our eyes would literally water. It was black and sometimes even wet, full of seeds and stems and caused major irritation in the lungs, but got people high as hell..
After some major busts on plantations in Pernambuco and the surrounding areas (and gnarly repo laws) as well as a system of roadblocks were in effect in the mid to late 90s, the flow of good sativas from the northeast was choked and stayed regional.
During the late 80s and 90s, this increase in crap brick weed, harder access to good sativas and demand for good herb forced connoiseur Brazilians to begin importing alot of cheap workbud from Holland. A mule (usually upper middle class stoner) would fly over there, stuff a stereo full of pressed bud and fly back with 20 pounds of "green" or "skunk" like it was all called.
Buying that quantity at a buck a gram, it is sold in Rio and Sp for $15-20 a gram, so it flourished. Since bribery and corruption are no novelty, alot of times airport connections would facilitate large shipments. I suspect it was maybe from the bagseed of this herb, that commercial planters next door in Paraguay began using in their fields, because the bud was so light green, and tasted very different. It does indeed have that more pepperminty taste and is more indica in appearance although pressed.
While there recently I came across some black pressed "bengala" which is the current high quality local bud in Rio. I was not impressed, as it was seeded, stemmy, seemed like the average red bud (black) pressed and fermented. I did bring seeds back to germ, but none did, leading me to believe that for sure it was fermented or what not, like you guys were describing. One day at the beach I met a kid that flies over to holland periodically. When I told him I knew a guy or two in Holland, he asked me his name, and sure enough they were also friends. The guy was so stoked he took me to his house and started breaking out bags of herb. I couldn't believe it, he had 100 grams of White Rhino, vacuum sealed bags of Hawaiian Skunk (red, hazy, not that great, but more expensive), some Whitw Widow and maybe 10 other types of bud including Sour Saver, Jack Herer, etc. He proceeded to roll a joint of the different varieties and we told stories of our friends in common etc. what a small world. So now I'm in Rio with 5 different types of chronic straight from A'dam, bengala, and some grandaddy purple bubble I took. Needless to say , my friends in Rio could not believe it when I rolled back to the pad. They couldn't believe I had that connect from a stranger.. all those varieties. They were dumbfounded.
Anyway, I suspect that those Paraguayan landraces are in danger of getting crossed with the indicas over there just because the large plantations are not checked in Paraguay. Paraguay near the border is very scary place.
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thanks,I attend!!
by smigs
I've grown some paraguaian landraces and potency seems to vary a lot. One leaned more towards a mix of south indian and columbian and flowered for 14 weeks but definitely less potent, one leaned towards a lowland columbian but with a better flavor and had a 12 week flower and the fritzman's verdinasi which may have some dutch influence since it has good resin production but looks to me like it may have some southern african background.
Mad Scientist
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Another mighty fine read... If I were a girl I'd ask you all to marry me...
Also, to my greatest delight I read that BSC will be bursting forward with new life. I just sent a mail to the BSC hotmail address earlier today with an enquiry about the webshop being open or not. Does this mean that no seeds will be up for sale until August next year?
Thanx for your efforts Zamalito! Very much appreciated by a Dutch grower who's gotten tired of Dutch and US/Canadian genetics that make me sit paralysed in front of my tv, totally numb... :wink:
P.S. Haze isn't bad either, but those landrace pics make me drool all over myself.
Also, to my greatest delight I read that BSC will be bursting forward with new life. I just sent a mail to the BSC hotmail address earlier today with an enquiry about the webshop being open or not. Does this mean that no seeds will be up for sale until August next year?
Thanx for your efforts Zamalito! Very much appreciated by a Dutch grower who's gotten tired of Dutch and US/Canadian genetics that make me sit paralysed in front of my tv, totally numb... :wink:
P.S. Haze isn't bad either, but those landrace pics make me drool all over myself.
all you guys saying what you get in south america is mid to low quality... you mean the buds you buy not the genes themselves right?
I mean when you grow them out are they good plants or do most of them stay mediocre?
Because if its brick thats just how it goes. It loses potency and taste and everything SOOO fast. but as long as the genes themselves (minus an import dutch gene or two) are good locals it wouldn't bother me.
Thats how it is here too. You can find incredible mexicans but you find them by measuring how strong the weed is when you smoke it and how much the weed has fermented. if you get something that looks absolute shit but packs a punch chances are when you grow that one out it'll be a winner. whereas if you get a mild stone from weed that doesn't look that bad chances are when you grow it out it'll stay mediocre.
I mean when you grow them out are they good plants or do most of them stay mediocre?
Because if its brick thats just how it goes. It loses potency and taste and everything SOOO fast. but as long as the genes themselves (minus an import dutch gene or two) are good locals it wouldn't bother me.
Thats how it is here too. You can find incredible mexicans but you find them by measuring how strong the weed is when you smoke it and how much the weed has fermented. if you get something that looks absolute shit but packs a punch chances are when you grow that one out it'll be a winner. whereas if you get a mild stone from weed that doesn't look that bad chances are when you grow it out it'll stay mediocre.
redrider
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Potency
Potency
90% of what I bought here was/is mid to low potency, equal to or slightly better then what I was able to get in the SE USA (mids/shwag) but because I get it in the country its fresh and not as damaged as the "export" brick. It looks smells and taste good (not all but most) and has a nice mellow high. The seeds from these grow out slightly better. Then there's the other 10% (Punto Rojo) and it's "dank" in sight, smell, taste and quality of the high. Its sweat cured like all the others but there's very few seeds and it has a distinct strong aroma that is indescribable with a high that seems to refresh something inside your spirit it's so good. I have yet to grow out this best Colombian but its in a whole different class then the others. I think a real grower (not me) could take the 90% and really do something with it, I only grow out a few plants and really only for bud. I might put some Rojo in the ground this dry season or the next and let you know if I can grow it out better myself.
Seed Bud
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Potency
90% of what I bought here was/is mid to low potency, equal to or slightly better then what I was able to get in the SE USA (mids/shwag) but because I get it in the country its fresh and not as damaged as the "export" brick. It looks smells and taste good (not all but most) and has a nice mellow high. The seeds from these grow out slightly better. Then there's the other 10% (Punto Rojo) and it's "dank" in sight, smell, taste and quality of the high. Its sweat cured like all the others but there's very few seeds and it has a distinct strong aroma that is indescribable with a high that seems to refresh something inside your spirit it's so good. I have yet to grow out this best Colombian but its in a whole different class then the others. I think a real grower (not me) could take the 90% and really do something with it, I only grow out a few plants and really only for bud. I might put some Rojo in the ground this dry season or the next and let you know if I can grow it out better myself.
Seed Bud
Prodigy
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To me, that's a very interesting observation gentlemen. I have loads of seeds collected from brickweed over the years and always assumed these were either non-viable or of poor genetic heritage so I never attempted a serious grow. I didn't want to waste time and space on them since I saw one of my friends try to finish a thai strain from bagseed that took forever to start flowering. Somehow I figured this export weed would be made out of weak plants with mixed genes, but now I realise they may contain some original landrace genes as well...
Hmm, chances are I'll be giving my Jamaican and Thai bagseeds a second chance or even try a small motherplant selection. Who knows what will happen next.
Hmm, chances are I'll be giving my Jamaican and Thai bagseeds a second chance or even try a small motherplant selection. Who knows what will happen next.
bigbluedog360
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yeah you should've done that a long time ago just out of curiosity.especially some of that jamaican.you never know what you'll get. if the smoke was good you know it'll be worth your time.
Mad Scientist
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In fact I did germ some of those seeds once just to see if they were viable at all. Some popped, but I didn't have the space nor the time to do a full grow. Somehow there were too much variables involved to my opinion. I imagined fields full of all sorts of cannabis, growing wild, shedding pollen, hermies even that pollinated themselves... In such a field there would be all sorts of pheno- and genotypes mixed together, making a grow from a couple of these seeds almost like a lottery. The chance of one in a million that I would find a keeper...
I never imagined the fields where export-quality cannabis is grown would consist of relatively uniform plants. Sure I dreamt about finding a unique pheno, but I thought I had all odds against me. Especially after having seen that frigid thai that wouldn't go into flower and when she finally did it took her about 25 weeks before she could be harvested and she still wasn't ready! My country's full of commercial growers so it's not very common to reserve space and spend electricity on such a question mark. I'm on a new mission now though... I'm going to grow anything exotic I can get my hands on, no matter how much time and space it'll take, as long as I have the slightest hint it might produce something beautiful. My third eye has opened... :wink:
I never imagined the fields where export-quality cannabis is grown would consist of relatively uniform plants. Sure I dreamt about finding a unique pheno, but I thought I had all odds against me. Especially after having seen that frigid thai that wouldn't go into flower and when she finally did it took her about 25 weeks before she could be harvested and she still wasn't ready! My country's full of commercial growers so it's not very common to reserve space and spend electricity on such a question mark. I'm on a new mission now though... I'm going to grow anything exotic I can get my hands on, no matter how much time and space it'll take, as long as I have the slightest hint it might produce something beautiful. My third eye has opened... :wink:
