the potential in south america

[zamalito]

Bc, I was very impressed with flodica. As far as nutrient sensitivity its the most dificult to grow djshort strain I've come across but IMO its also the most rewarding other than blue velvet which isn't around anymore anyway. By the second time growing it I came much closer to dialing it in. The herb has an excellent buzz for an indica. Its one of my favorite flavors of all herb. I describe it to people as all overtone with no primary tone but still a strong flavor like you'd expect from an indica. You just can't put your finger on the main tone of the flavor. Whatever the main tone is has an earthy quality but the earthiness is still an overtone. Some are slightly earthy/sweet, fruity but the sweet/fruity overtone normally disappears in the cure and a sweet pine earthiness remains (I have some curing with cuban cigars I smuggled back from brazil. Both flavors are similar sweet/earthy and compliment each other quite well). If it had a higher ceiling I'd call it a sativa buzz while it is non-paranoid and non-energetic it is also non-sedating and very social. I'm not sure what this means but I prefer tropical sativas yet I prefer the buzz of flodica and blue velvet to flo. Not that I really care but the bag appeal is outstanding. I have yet to test any hybrids and will let you know when I my seeds from the next generation are ready.


For the life of me I cannot get my dc's and ptk's to sex in veg. Not that I view that as a problem. I always considered this the result of them selecting against autoflowering males. Maybe there's something I'm doing differently or incorrectly. Perhaps I'm just not letting them veg as long as you are?

 

[muddy waters]

Sorry about the crappy pics,it´s just for fun!!

heheh raco well it does a good job of teaching kids why it's better to supply oneself... thanks for posting that... part 2 was so much portunol about the only thing i understood was "fuck!" hahahahaha

 

[Raco]

cool muddy jejej!!
I think that in the same old issue of Cañamo,there are a couple pics of those cans...newspapers pics I think
The cans are rectangular or square I don´t remember....
I´ll try to find them,the short article was intersting

"portunol"
LMAO!!

 

[Guest]

The Flodica sounds liek something owrth trying for sure, I have had some issues with Blueberry, which is the only DJ Short strain I've grown, but the clones I have flowering now seem to be much happier than the last batch.

The DC, Paki and PTK are three I really do want to try one day, as much as I love landrace sativas I also want to try some landrace (or old IBL) indicas too.

 

[zamalito]

Damn, my monitor is too shitty to read the comic strip. Oh well, thanks for posting it raco.

 

[Guest]

I can read it fine on my shiny new 19 inch widescreen, only 104.95ukp, shame me no hablo espanol.

I've been thinking about hunting down some Deep Chunk to make crosses to some of my pure sats, I've read that DC is always dominant in crosses, so I'm expecting to backcross to the pure sat, anyone got any thoughts on such a cross, say Colombian Gold x DC?

 

[muddy waters]

my first thought on such a cross is that it would grow quite well in the muddy waters memorial garden.

my second thought is both the cross and backcross sound basically like reeferman's g and love potion. i wanted to grow the former but then his prices went astronomical a year or two back. i think the smg in reeferman's crosses is also from bsc.

did you ever cross your colombian gold to blueberry, BH? seems like a sure winner if you dig the blueberry thing to begin with

 

[Guest]

Hi muddy

I agree about reeferman's prices, too high for me!

I did actually attempt a Colombian x Blueberry cross but for some reason the beans wouldn't germ, they looked fine but just didn't pop. I have a Blueberry male clone and i popped him into flower a couple of weeks back, just harvesting his pollen now and have just hit my Blueberry and Grapefruitbowl cuts with some of his dust. I'll store some in the fridge so when the soil Colombian starts putting out the pistils in a couple more weeks I can dust her too. Would you like to volunteer to test grow some?

One wired thign that puts me off using this male though is that he has suddenly reversed sex on me and started popping out a load of pistils, I attribute it to stress as he's a clone that was flowered, cut back, revegged, has been skulking in a coner of my veg space with not enough light in a tiny pot he long outgrew, been cut back loads of times since, then finally flowered again, he is soo rootbound and in bad shape. Some pics of the 'buds' he is forming, they are composed of calyxes mixed with single anther male parts. I wonder, if I let his self-polliante and form beans, would those beans all be male?

 

[muddy waters]

hey BH that sounds wonderful;

i grew a landrace sativa of probable colombian origin which i grew very poorly but miraculously pollinated with a male nirvana blue mystic (god i wish i'd made more than just 6 or 7 immature seeds!). got only two female F1s and made about 4 S1 seeds inadvertently through a timer malfunction. i'm growing and breeding in one tiny cab and attempting to grow sinsemilla at the same time lol... wish i'd just pollinated like crazy now.

anyway, i just harvested the first of those S1s. only the original mother sativa, which was maltreated and harvested too early, wasn't a great smoke; the F1 and the S1 have been great, retaining the blueberry smell and a soft, body and mind-numbing stone. the recently harvested S1 grown outdoor is the more potent to me than either of the parents or F1 generation plants.

here's the family album--

(no pictures unfortunately of the blue mystic male, he had very symetrical, dark green leaves; also, i never got any purple coloration from the 3 blue mystic females i eventually flowered. but all smelled like blueberry.)

mama sativa in early flower, grown indoor after a long time on a windowsill:





the F1 girl, grown indoors:







the S1 girl, grown outdoors, harvested, about 7 days dry:

 

[OXOSSI]

germination landraces

germination landraces

Paraguayan landrace:
I found it extremely difficult to germinate this landrace so I experimented. While the seeds I got from gypsy in the past would have a half inch tail within 24 h (paper towel), these wouldnt even pop. The best way for me was soaking a day in a glass of water, taking the ones that sank and planting them all together (about 10-15) together in potting soil, coco fiber with a pinch of worm castings. On top, I put birdseed that would sprout and start giving roots on top of the buried seeds. As the seedlings apperared (3-10 days) I would transplant them.
H2O - pH 6.2-6.8 + 4mL H202(10%)/L

They grow slowly first month or two, but then they really take off! Have to prune the tops a few times cuz its a 100% sativa. I will try to get photos!

PS: Governor of rio is talking about legalizng drugs as a way to curb the violence. Drugs are bad but bullets are worse. Someone sensible finally!
Peace!

 

[zamalito]

That's great new about Rio. I'm sure it will help tourism.If you don't mind me asking what paraguaian strain was it and where did you obtain the seeds? I'm thinking that the majority of paraguaian genetics originated in bolivia, brazil and colombia as the paraguaians do seem to be very adept at knocking off goods from other countries (just kidding). Though I have seen some paraguaian strains that could possibly be very old. The oldest paraguaian strain and cuttings luiz and I could obtain from the paraguaian mob is a strain called the "chocolate sativa" however they told us it was an old colombian chiba line that they'd just taken and changed the name of a few decades ago.

Here's a couple informative links to pdf files about cannabis use in brazil.

Prohibitionist Drug Policies and the Subculture of Cannabis Use in Two Brazilian Middle Class Urban Settings

http://www.neip.info/downloads/t_edw6.pdf

The subculture of Cannabis use in two Brazilian middle class urban settings

http://www.neip.info/downloads/t_edw7.pdf

 

[muddy waters]

oxossi--i like your germination technique, very cool. the germination varies by the brick. some germ some look like they should but don't, some look like they won't but will... i do pretty much the same as you, rinse thoroughly, soak, rinse, and then tuck a bunch of em in a pot being used by something else. many of the ones that germ end up surfacing as much as a month later. usually within two weeks. i'd say the overall germ rate from all the brickseed i've attempted would be well under 50%.

one thing--did you notice a really bad smell coming from your germination apparatus after 34-48 hours trying to germ the paraguayan seeds? they always smell extremely funky, an overripe, bacterial smell. that's why i try to rinse them well. but they still end up stinking. that's why i switched to just throwing them under the dirt.

zamalito--i think it makes most sense that the first seeds being supplied to the paraguayan growers were from brazilian herb, which was already being distributed by the same criminal networks that installed operations in paraguay. as the region that produces most of the herb in brazil began to be targeted by the police, and production fell, it makes sense that they would start to import seed from the largest commercial producing and exporting country in the continent, colombia. or from neighboring bolivia and peru, which have a decent domestic production. the connections with colombia were already there due to cocaine trade. but i don't think drug gangs would spend capital on improving potency, as the brazilian market didn't have familiarity with much else than the sativas grown in the northeast (until the fumo da lata episode, if that is all to be believed). but today there's definitely dutch stuff there, i wish i had pics of all the different bagseed i've grown, you'd no doubt recognize a few.

 

[redrider]

Choices

Choices

Hola my friends, it looks like I will be staying at my current location for a few more months and I have time to not only finish my current crop but start and finish another. However I don't have time to grow out any pure Sativa so I must chose something more Indica, here's what I have:

Blue Moon ShineXKM/X13/TXDC
ColoGoldXAfghan
ColoGoldXSpeedQueen
ColoPurpleXAfghan
DreamGoddessXWhite Rhino
DreamGoddess
Romberry Chunk
SatoriWHTSXSpeedQueen
Sour Jack
Speed Queen F-2
Strawberry Chunk
White Skunk
Killa QueenXJohnny Blaze
White RhinoXJohnny Blaze

I want about 10 females (no seeds this time) all of the same strain. Really want one that will finish from seed in about 4 months and everything grows outside under the natural 12/12 daylight (no inside veg).

 

[Guest]

Looks very nice muddy, very nice. I have been talking to Reeferman and he tells me that Blueberry and Colombian Gold don't mix well at all, he also tells me he dropped the Oregon Purple Thai from his lineup and no longer breeds with it due to severly distorted leaf traits, these were appearing in crosses made with the OPT.

Nevertheless, i decided to make use of the Blueberry pollen and have hit a Purple Power, Thai, Grapefruitbowl and Purple Skunk x Mighty Mite with some, I decided not to hit the Colombian Clone, I have decided to use her to backcross to my Colombian x Grapefruitbowl male, he's a real beauty.

Glad to know you are doing okay red, out ofthose strains, I don't have much experience to share, but the Speed Queen and other indica doms will be able to finish under 4 months, inside she takes about 55 days of 12/12, from seed and with 12/12 from birth, you should be able to sex them after about 25-28 days, then another 55-60 to flower, so should be no more than 90 days.

 

[Herbalistic]

Hola!!!

You got nice cataloque of strains to choose Red. I only have personal experience about the White Skunk, which shows her sex at about 25 - 35 days after veggin. She also likes to be tied & bended and responds with multiple tops after bondaged My White Skunk take´s about 50 days to harvest and after 60 it is totally ripe, of course there faster & slower phenos. Other candidate´s would be: White Rhino X Johnny Blaze & SatoriWHTS X SpeedQueen, Killa Queen X Johnny Blaze + like British Hempire suggested Speed Queen and of course ColoGoldXAfghan if you got time to run it. I dont have a clue how these strains behave under the mighty Colombian sun, but I suggested these because I know you need something with sativa in it Take care amigo!

You have made nice Blueberry crosses B.Hempire. What was the flowering time of that Colombian x Grapefruitbowl -cross you made?

Keep It Green & Growing But Don´t Forget The Smokin!
Peace Out Growers!

 

[redrider]

Thanks so much gentlemen, I planted about 20 WRXJB and I hope they finish in time but if they don't I will stay and finish em. BH you must has more exotic strains and crosses then anyone, I love all the mixes you make. Thanks Herbalistic I love the SQ and the Colombian crosses but really I haven't tried the JB yet but I love WR and I hope the JB improves it. Pics coming soon.

Peace from rainy Colombia

 

[Budelaire]

2 weeks into flowering - Hawaiian Sativa x C.T.S.

2 weeks into flowering - Hawaiian Sativa x C.T.S.

Hello friends of South America,

Here are some close-ups and regular pics of my South american (Ecuador) x Hawaiian Sativa cross.

Since this girl grows very tall and has lots of side branches, I chose to bend the plant into a Screen of green. Can you see the tall standing thricomes?

Take care and may South America rock forever!

 

[Budelaire]

Close up of an Ecuadorian marvel

Close up of an Ecuadorian marvel

This Ecuadorian sativa cross is on its 2nd week flowering. We can see clearly the high standing thricomes. The high is crystal clear, uplifting, conversational (if you don't overpuff). If you want a stratospheric adventure, just have 4-6 puffs of those powerful flowers...

 

[zamalito]

SHAMELESS SELF PROMOTION---


To those interested check the breeders choice section at seedbay tomorrow and forum under the seedbay vendors forums starting now for breeder's choice stock which includes many fine south american sativas.

 

[bongoman]

Zamalito

Fantastic news! Congratulations! Bring it on...