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[Ganico]

I got some brickweed today that tastes amazingly fruity, doesn't smell much at all, but has a very nice tropical taste to it. It was also some sensi, which is the second time I've seen sensi brick this month, both completly different. What the hell? I haven't seen sensi brickweed in years. And of course this was the one time where I REALLY wanted to save the seeds, but couldn't, hahaha.

Honestly, I thought I'd never see anymore noteworthy brickweed, the past few years of it have not been too good.

Hopefully my manga rosa seeds make it so I can tell y'all of other things than brickweed. It was some damn good brick though,haha

 

[ngakpa]

Depends on which Santa Maria you are referring to. The Santa Maria that's being sold by No Mercy was backcrossed using a Silver Pearl, but I haven't got a clue if the original Brazilian plant already had some indica mixed in.

purely on the basis of having smoked some Santo Daime Santa Maria (admittedly the only time I did so was also during and after undergoing my first and only ayahuasca experience) I would guess it is a sativa/indica hybrid ... that is just a guess, but it didn't feel, taste or smell like a pure old school sativa or aything like that to me ... for all I know it could have bee a pure indica... still, the effects of the last round of reefer long outlasted the ayahuasca which had nigh on worn off by then, and were pretty powerful and distinctive

Santo Daime Website
http://www.santodaime.org/indexy.htm

Ayahuasca Serpents and DNA - A Rabid Introduction
http://deoxy.org/narbystew.htm

The Book to Read
http://www.amazon.com/Cosmic-Serpent-Jeremy-Narby/dp/0874779642

 

[zamalito]

Ngakpa, did you see or hear of any oral consumption of cannabis among daimistas? From what I hear this is the more traditional method of consumption but I'm not certain exactly how it is consumed. I've always heard the planck cutting wasn't a pure sativa. I find it hard to believe that a pure brazilian sativa would be grown as frequently in amsterdam as the planck cutting is but I've never smoked it or even seen a picture of the flowers or a plant so I'm by no means an expert on it. Another thing that causes confusion is santa maria is the santo daime word for cannabis (perhaps a reference to the comparison of the virgin birth and sinsemilla but it could be a reference to mary magdalene and not the mother of jehova). I believe there's at least a few different santa maria strains and cuttings.

 

[Guest]

There are more than one Santa Maria cutting in Holland for sure, I've seen at least 3, all different but similar, all seemed at least 3-40% indica to me. In terms of a cash crop, it's great as it's a big yielder and very white as the Dutch say, but the effect is somewhat sativa oriented (but with lots of body) and I think it has become popular as it's a refreshing alternaive to stuff like Northern Lights, White Widow and Skunk. Certainly one of the best, if not the best of the commercial strains in Holland. How much of the original Brazilian is still in there, who knows.

Talking of brickweed, I bought some awful looking but very trippy, psychedelic, racing super paranoid, but definitely one of the most trippy dark green, highly compressed stuff in Cancun in 2006, much better effect than other brick weed I've bought in Cancun the other two times I was there. I brought the best seeds I found in it (very highly seeded) home with me, only about 50, tried germing 20 of them and only got one sprout, really nice plant but turned out male. It looked like an indica hybrid though, definitely not a Mexican sativa, so I reckon they are growing a lot of commercial hybrids now. Having seen the resultant plant, I reckon the racing, trippy, paranoid effect was largely from picking early as it wore off quite fast. One day I will try germing the rest of the seeds I have left.

 

[Farmer John]

Yeah I talked a long time with the grower I got my Acapulco Gold and other seeds from and he said that many families grow modern hybrids nowadays in mexico and many of those get mixed with the original ones...I have seeds from Guerrero, Oaxaca and Chiapas, the best herb I smoked over there was from Guerrero, the AG Im talking about, sinsemilla, and in chiapas I got this wonderful seeded sativa, very dark green, lots of resins and very potent, others we bought and smoked were crap or more like weed, that AG really rocks, and the man I got the seeds from, well, his family has grown pot for decades so I did and still do trust him...

 

[Guest]

Is Acapulco in Oaxaca? I have a strain called Speed Weed from an old timer in the Cali hills, it;s a Mexican IBL but may have a touch of Thai genes somewhere back in it;s lineage. One looks exactly like the picture of Oaxacan Gold in DJ Short's book, she is gonna take about 24 weeks, so in a couple of weeks when she's done I'll post some pics, see if folks can tell me where in Mexico she might have originated. This is the lady I hit with C99 pollen to see if i can tame her a little for indoor growing.

I found a new company in the UK with three Mexican lines for sale, anyone got any info on this company and any idea if they are the real deal? They are only 15 quid so I might have to pick them all up.

http://www.soulseeds.co.uk/12.html

Mexiseeds Mexico's finest range of Cannabis Seed stock.

All Mexiseeds can be grown indoors or outdoors.

All seeds come in packets of 10

Tecate, Baja California

Pure Inbred line

This is a traditional pure Sativa strain that can trace its heratige back to the late 60's.This plant produces long, sticky, Golden buds of a fine quality. indoors the plants should be flowered after only 1.5 - 2 weeks of Veg'ing in order to keep the size down, This strain grows in a christmas tree like shape, a classic sativa stature with a huge terminal bud of the sweetest tasting landrace strains. This old school strain carries a knockout high which is highly regarded for its medicinal potency. This strain is a must grow for anyone who likes a Sativa high and sweet taste. Yield is high indoors, outdoors bud production is awsome.This strain is ready for harvest between 11 and 12 weeks of flowering.


Durango Romance

Pure Inbred line (landrace)

Another pure sativa strain from Mexico's Durango region. This strain has been selectively inbred since the late 80's and is therefore a stabilized IBL strain with little variation in the plants. Durango Romance has a beautiful taste and aroma, A really sweet and spicy strain. The yield is impressive indoors while outdoors yield is over 1kg on a large plant. The growth rate of Durango Romance is fast and for a pure sativa the flowering period is short (10-12 weeks). Buds grow tight and dense and glisten in THC nearing harvest time. Indoors plants should be switched to a flowering cycle after 3 weeks of vegative growth This strain responds well to been Toped, trained or knuckled making it an ideal Screen of green plant. An great sativa that is sure to please.


Michoacan #4

Pure Inbred line

Original seed stock grown for many years by the Michoacán-based Magana family. This 100% Sativa grows large outdoors,. in its native environment plants grow to 8 - 14 foot tall, indoors if induced to flower after 3 weeks of a 18/6 light regime they keep to a more manageable height of 3 - 4 foot. A large yield of long, thin golden buds can be achieved quickly by growing from clone and flowering after 4 or 5 days vegative growth, with this method plants will finish at 2 foot in height and yield an ounce in weight. This strain clones easy and responds well to hydroponic cultivation indoors. Taste is sour, similar to Brazilian. The aroma is pungent and heavy. The high is very trippy.

 

[zamalito]

Acapulco is in guerrero which borders oaxaca. Puerto Escondido is the main tourist attraction on the oaxacan coast.

I had a conversation with the owner of mexiseeds a couple weeks ago. He is very proud of himself for attempting to introduce autoflowering genetics and lowryder crosses to indigenous farnmers in mexico. After hearing that I held mny head in shame. Nevermind the fact that most dutch strains will autoflower in georgia and even moreso mexico.

 

[Guest]

Oh dear, that is not a step in the right direction. Folks should be re-introducing lost Mexican strains like Big Sur Holyweed (Zacatecas Purple) not muddying things with low-potency AF crap.

So are his Mexican lines true Mexicans as he says? If so, I'll buy them.

 

[ngakpa]

Santa Maria in Santo Daime

Santa Maria in Santo Daime

Hmmm, well, from the horse's mouth it seems Santa Maria is used as a generic term for cannabis in those Santo Daime traditions which accept the use of ganja:

"Santa Maria as used in Santo Daime ceremonies is a Brazilian tradition which stems from the healing visions of Padrinho Sebastiao Mota de Melo. He received a vision when he was young of an angel carrying a green plant and saying this plant can bring much healing. Many years later when he was working in the Santo Daime line he discovered some members of the Santo Daime community partaking in Cannabis rituals. At that time he was aware of the name only but when he saw the plant he realised it was the plant he had seen in his visions many years ago. When he asked to participate in the cannabis ritual he percieved that the spirit of the plant was strongly associated with the Holy Virgin Mary and her consoling, healing powers. From that time he began to incorporate the herb into the Santo Daime ceremonies under the name Santa Maria.

"The use of Santa Maria in the ceremonies in Brasil is controversial and in the original community of Mestre Irineu (Alto Santo) it is strictly forbidden. In other Santo Daime communities in Brasil the attitude varies but there have been ongoing misunderstandings and even Padrinho Sebastiao was arrested and taken to court to explain his position with regard to this healing herb.

"In the Dutch Santo Daime church the use of Santa Maria is openly fostered in the ceremonies due to the open use of the herb in Dutch society. In fact the name of the Dutch church is Céu da Santo Maria."

No interest in or knowledge of strains was expressed, so though the Plank etc. may well come from Santo Daime groups, it seems unlikely there is an actual single strain ...

I've posted a paper on Santo Daime and Santa Maria, by Edward Macrae, in the Worldwide section

 

[Raco]

"I had a conversation with the owner of mexiseeds a couple weeks ago. He is very proud of himself for attempting to introduce autoflowering genetics and lowryder crosses to indigenous farnmers in mexico. After hearing that I held mny head in shame. Nevermind the fact that most dutch strains will autoflower in georgia and even moreso mexico."

Sad to hear that Zamalito...keep ut the great work!!
Who´ll stop that fuckers?

 

[Raco]

also zamalito i trust that luis told you the 'fumo da lata' story...

for those who don't know, apparently in the 1980s i believe, a large, large shipment of cannabis in "cans" (i assume metal barrels?) shipwrecked somewhere and currents brought the merchandise to the coast of rio de janeiro state in brazil. it was many many kilos of herb, supposedly. it washed up on the beaches steadily for several weeks over a span of many kilometers of coast line. no one knows where it was coming from exactly, some say holland, some say australia, it's a total crap shoot. and as is the case with these things, if there were a thousand people who actually saw and smoked this stuff at the time, today there must be 100,000 who claim to have. but one of my cannabista friends who claimed first hand knowledge was certain that the 'fumo da lata' was indica, and was the first time that anything other than the traditional loose packed sativa was seen by urban smokers in rio and sao paulo (this is before the super compressed paraguayan brick). the 'fumo da lata' became legendary for its potency and for, i imagine, the crazy story of some tanker carrying tons of barrels of herb. it really sounds like some ridiculous stoner story until you hear dozens of people repeating it.

Good read
I´ve also read about "o fumo da lata".I still have a funny comic (one single page) called "na boca do fumo"...crazy! jejej.If I find it,I´ll try to post it ...it´s very funny

 

[zamalito]

Thanks Raco, I don't like criticizing other breeders as I'm not in this business to make enemies (though one english breeder of african landraces may say otherwise) Mexiseeds may very well have good genetics their price is right. I'm still very interested in their michoacan line. I tried to educate the poor soul about preservation and never received a response so I'm not sure if he took my suggestio or not. Its just that the introduction of lowryder hybrids into mexico is just such a terrible idea. Hopefully any of their potential customers can set them straight on this in the future.

Ngakpa thanks for taking the time to post that. I'm wondering if these santa maria cuttings are coming from Brazilian or Dutch santo daime groups. I've become friends with someone very close to Edward Macrae who wrote the above article and it seems likely that I will be able to get his help in acquiring various santa maria seeds from various daime groups inside brazil. He and another academic Anthony Henmann who I'm planning to interview for an upcomming issue of icmag both contacts among the tenetehara indians who use cannabis in a traditional setting. Its also looking positive that I will be able to meet with the tenetahara and acquire seeds. Pretty exciting shit, eh?

 

[Guest]

Wow, meeting the tenetahara and acquiring some really ancient, traditional cannabis, definitely exciting!

I was reading a book on the Zulu War recently and the Zulu warriors carried horns around their necks containing special powdered potions created by their witch doctors, they would take these powders (by inhaling I think) before entering battle in order to fire them up and give them strength and aggressiveness. These powders contained mushrooms (some kind of amanita muscarita I think) and cannabis, given the location of the Zulu nation, they would probably have been strains similar to Malawi Gold, Zambian Copper etc. Whether they cultivated cannabis or picked from the wild populations I have no idea, but it would be interesting to track down the surviving witch doctors who keep the traditional medicines and potions alive and find out what cannabis they use.

I'm sure there are lots of traditional cannabis traditions still out there well outside the well-explored Moroccan, Afghan, Pakistan, India and Nepal regions, and I'm sure there is still plenty of 'undiscovered' stuff in those regions too.

Everytime I read one of Zam's posts I'm reminded how little I actually know and hopw much reading I need to do, but books are expensive sadly. Zam, how about putting together a book list of key titles for us (would-be) cannabis academics?

 

[ngakpa]

Wow excellent man

I'm wondering if these santa maria cuttings are coming from Brazilian or Dutch santo daime groups.

The impression I get from Daimistas is that the Santa Maria cuttings in Europe have come from the Dutch church which is very into its ganja, though from where before that - I've no idea. The UK branch were keen to stress that they have no interest in strains etc. and that Santa Maria is from the point of view of the chruch a general term for all cannabis.

The Macrae article gives more of a sense of the relationship between the ganja using groups and the older Alto Santo.

 

[Guest]

That is a very frosty nugget for a sativa red, looks fristier than the Gold I have, which is frosty for a landrace sat, which strains did you use to make that cross?

 

[redrider]

Hola BH, thats a cross I made last year with my SMG female and a very pungent male Afghan. Your correct in that the cross is much frostier then the pure Colombian, however the high is 80% Colombian. The taste and smell have turn into a much stronger "Colombian" flavor with a hint of hashish. I like it and think its very nice smoke but I want to cross the SMG with a Deep Chunk cross (thanks Mountain High Seeds) and see what we get.

 

[zamalito]

Red, we need to get you some goof landrace indicas. I think really you'd like the flodica, deep chunk and pine tar kush as they're all much more social in their effects than the dutch indica lines esp the flodica and ptk. I have yet to grow the ptk and flodica outside but don't grow the dc during the rainy season or it will mold from thevery earliest stages of flowering. The ptk and dc also won't trigger into flowering as quickly as the dutch indicas and even indica hybrids. Unlike every dutch strain I've grown, most dc plants won't even show sex under a 14/10 light cycle. Although I'm not sure what they'll do under a truly equatorial light cycle they will be a good pollen source at the very least.

Bh, the teo books I recomment that I feel are very important are:

Hashish! By Clarke and Cannabis and Culture by Vera Rubin.

 

[Raco]

Sorry about the crappy pics,it´s just for fun!!

 

[beancounter]

Hey red, drop me a PM sometime and i'll get ya somethin' chunky to try down there..

zamalito- I haven't had any probs verifying sex on DC or the HTC PAKI in 24/0, haven't run PTK yet but soon so i can't say on that one.. likewise for the BubbaxDCs, i find them easy and quick to sex under 24/0..

I'll be putting all sorts of the indies outside in the PNW so we'll see how much i loose to mold, and how slow they are to trigger..

So you really recomedn the Flodica zam? what's the flavor like?


Speakin' of Santa Maria (the hybrid, i'd love to grow the pure cutting) I've grown a nice cut of it labeled as 'planck'.. I believe they tried/are trying to 'change' the name of the hybrid to Planck out of respect of the religious users of the true SM cut.. kind of a good idea as the hybrid has a good deal of afghani in it (at least the cut i had did) and i can't imagine it being that close to the clone.. I'm not a big fan of naming something after a cut unless the seeds consistantly produce results like those of the clone, and there's significant 'qualifyers' added to the name.. (IBL, BX, etc).

It didn't seem like a big deal to me back when i grew it as it sounded like the original cut was not avaliable anywhere to anyone, so not much chance for confusion.. but it sounds like that's changed or is changing..

Anyways, it sounds like an interesting plant, and the hybrid was definately one of the better seed strains I've had.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

raco - jejeje - ghetto life hehehe