the potential in south america

[Ganico]

Sounds nice, can't wait to hear more info on the "cabeca de nego" and read the article about Brazil. I was wondering why you didn't mention brazil a whole lot since you came back, I was expecting grandiose stories of fields of sativa,hahaha. When does the next issue come out? I guess you'll have to order through seedbay to get it or something?

Oh yeah, and I really like the structure of the new "sergipe" manga rosa, very nice. At first I was kinda dissappointed the new stock wasn't the single cola one, but I changed my mind after some thought. I just hopes it finishes as fast, or hell even faster although I doubt that one. That's the only thing

Also,do you happen to know how much of a difference in yield there is between the other manga rosa and the "sergipe" manga rosa? Just assuming it's less than the 2nd version

Thanks, Zam

 

[Flaca]

Very interesting thead. I currently have two Manga Rosa plants in my garden starting their sixth week flowering. I've never grown a pure Sativa and have reluctantly kept both plants in one gallon pots to keep height to a minimum. Not alot of literature on this strain. Hope the results are worth the wait. Looking forward to smoking the Manga.

 

[ngakpa]

heya Zamalito - truly man, you are a legend

how would you describe the aromas and taste of the the CdeN?
any more detail on the high?

yep - visionary black South American strains - definitely straight to the top of the list ...

and what limited experience I have of psychedelic strains smoked by the afro communities of SA tells me this is going to be something truly impressive

it's fanatastic that you are making these available in their pure form

I hope eventually others of us here will also be adventurous and generous enough to undertake similar trips

and the more I see strains like this. the more I am inspired to undertake some serious breeding projects of my own

nice one

Namkha

 

[Guest]

Here's the sergipe manga rosa from the são francisco river valley. Unfortunately the man who tended to this line no longer grows due to interdiction efforts on the part of the brazilian government.

Bro, that is a seriously sexy looking plant to my eye's

Look forward to seeing more, great work bro!

Peace, hhf

 

[Raco]

Very nice Zamalito!!
Is cabeça de nego the same than Bahia Blackhead?.Everytime I hear of cabeça de nego,it makes me remember Brazil and the "cabeça açul"...the gorgeous highly coveted "blue-head Heckel discusfish found in "black waters"

 

[muddy waters]

Raco have you ever smoked any discusfish? They need a really long cure and even then I found to potency lacking.

 

[zamalito]

Thanks Ngakpa! The cabeça de nego is a long branched xmas tree shaped plant. In its homeland it grows to about 7 ft tall on average. At higher latitudes it probably gets taller due to the longer veg time. The taste is very sweet and creamy reminiscent of condensed milk. The aroma is a little more spicy but still sweet. I didn't have the time to become extremely familiar with this variety. But from the impression I got the high reminds me of 303. Like the best brazilian smoke it's very very long lasting. At first its energetic but after the high wears off several hours later can leave you quite exhausted.

Raco, your partially correct. The Bahi Blackhead sold by Kc brains was made with the cabeça but unfortunately it was crossed to a kc606 which is a very early nearly pure indica. Then the f1's were then bx'd the kc606 again making a 70% indica cross that finishes in mid august. Kc acquired the cabeça in Rio which is a decent distance from Bahia.

 

[Raco]

So...what do you smoke? piranhas?pirarucus? or mata-mata shells? :wink:

 

[ngakpa]

beautiful!

 

[Mad Scientist]

@Zam: What makes the cabeça de negro so special? Is it the duration of the high or the high itself that stands out? Or is this plant something a breeder could choose to spicen things up a little... To be honest, without wanting to be offensive I think the plant in the pics looks rather distorted. Is she supposed to look like that?

I am intrigued...

 

[Guest]

Here's a Colombian Gold x Grapefruitbowl lady, she is only 27 days so is very vigourous (under 160w of fluoros), just popped her into flower and am going to backcross her to the same Colombian male that fathered her:

 

[muddy waters]

Mad Scientist- those blackhead shots zamalito posted show the same type of leaf deformities i experienced when i used some bad coco, either pH or excessive salt i'm guessing. Maybe Z can fill us in, they could've been grown close to the ocean or a source of salt water perhaps?

I'm also curious to see what zamalito says about the high of the blackhead and how it compares to the incredible bolivian green.

British Hempire -do you have any idea how jealous i am of your sativas and hybrids? shit bro... it's just one after another with you... and indoors! no seriously, it's because of your testimonials that i'm gonna run these peruvian sats and some pure swazis in my ridiculously tiny cabs. i know i shouldn't even try but mom! British Hempire did it! (and if you jump off a bridge yes i will follow suit).

redrider-home of the finest cannabis on earth? there's gotta be some mexicans and pashtuns and indigenous thai and african bushmen and bantus and even some crusty old hippies in the emerald triangle who would take you up on that one my man. not that they'd come out on top but it might be close... but your shit is definitely some of the prettiest, in my opinion. are you growing any of that colombian sativa with the heavy purple coloration? you posted some pics of it way back when in the Ultimate Sativa Thread. it was different from the rainbow sm gold, thin buds but a little tiny bit chunkier than the gold, do you know which one i'm talking about? i'd really like to know which that is and if you've tried breeding with it. thanks brother.

one more time viva america del sur!

 

[muddy waters]

hehe Raco no when i really wanna get high i roll up a fatty tucunaré. serious stuff, just take a look at my dealer's eyes:

 

[redrider]

Colombian

Colombian

redrider-home of the finest cannabis on earth? there's gotta be some mexicans and pashtuns and indigenous thai and african bushmen and bantus and even some crusty old hippies in the emerald triangle who would take you up on that one my man. not that they'd come out on top but it might be close... but your shit is definitely some of the prettiest, in my opinion. are you growing any of that colombian sativa with the heavy purple coloration? you posted some pics of it way back when in the Ultimate Sativa Thread. it was different from the rainbow sm gold, thin buds but a little tiny bit chunkier than the gold, do you know which one i'm talking about? i'd really like to know which that is and if you've tried breeding with it. thanks brother.

Hola MW, what I meant to say is the Colombian highlands is where I found the worlds finest cannabis and I cultivate it. The "purple" Colombian is going to the BSC as soon as possible and its from Santa Marta. I have a lot of exotics growing now but no "pure" Colombians ATM.








Colombian grown Johnny Blaze

Peace from Colombia

 

[Guest]

red r.. you are pushing the lumbo a bit too hard me thinks ... there a LOTS of strains you have not tried yet

 

[muddy waters]

RR i hear ya, i don't doubt it either. man you gotta try to grow this bolivian herb once zam and luis have made some seeds of it. i imagine it would grow like a mug up there where you are. i'd love to see how its potency compares to the colombians you've grown, too, since unfortunately i won't be able to buy BSC's entire stock at one time... take it easy brother

 

[Nept]

I think it goes both ways nexus, i doubt youve had redriders herb

 

[zamalito]

Mad scientist, muddy is right. There's several reasons this plant is so intriguing but the plants did have either some sort of insect or nutrient problems. However one of the plants seemed to exhibit the same leaf krinkle type deformity exhibited by the chocolate thai line used by djshort to make the purple thai and later became the blueberry series. Some people feel leaf deformities are a sign of poor breeding and genetic weakness. I don't feel that way personally and this is actually one of the many reasons the strain seemed interesting to me. My experience with the strain is actually quite limited but the limited experience combined with the stories and descriptions I'd heard while in brazil left me with little question that this is the best of what brazil had to offer. Almost all of the cannabis that came to the americas as drug strains before the 20th century came to brazil first. Since the cabeça is considered to be the mother of all brazilian drug cannabis it could possibly be the oldest drug strain in the americas. it is definitely very unique in its resin qualities. Some plants have this very odd dark silver resin. Also very unique is the bud formation which doesn't form any sort of large unified bud but small little popcorn buds which are dense for a brazilian and thinly dispersed over a long stem.

I smoked about 3 oz's of the bolivian green while in brazil so I'm much more familiar with it than the cabeça. I will be able to give a much more full description of both as I will be cracking many many seeds of both within a week.

 

[ngakpa]

a friend of mine just got back from thereabouts - mostly I think Bolivia and Ecuador (sadly not with seeds) - and described smoking some very psychedelic sativas - he mentioned also it's not unusual for people to mix their grass with freebase cocaine ... and that there were also folk using datura too... seems like a fairly mindwarping combination ... this doll has voodoo properties etc.

 

[zamalito]

Hell, if I lived where red does there's only a few dutch strains I'd try. Even in the pure sativas coming out of colombian you have a wonderful range of highs represented. Without taking hybrids into consideration you have the very sedative lowland reds the psychedelic and happy golds and greens and the strong potent blacks. The urban growers I met in São Paulo were growing all sorts of crazy hybrids they'd gotten out of bags of paraguaian brick. I swear I saw some soma genetics in one plant. There was a wonderful paraguaian cohiba hybrid that smelled like a choice cut of Nl5 haze and it very well may have been. I also think I saw some nice jamaican genetics displayed in one of the paraguaian bagseed plants. This isn't even taking into consideration santa marta which is supposedly the closest thing to amsterdam in south america.

Red, I have a few questions for you. Do you think the reason you're getting pure sativas that others aren't is because you relatively long distance from santa marta? Perhaps since there's less commercial cannabis production and the isolating terrain there's less introduction of new genes into the southern half of the Colombian Andes than there is in the sierra nevada de santa marta. I may be incorrect but I get the impression that the southern half of the colombian andes was an area of moderate to heavy commercial production in the 70's and early to mid 80's but since cocain took over as the main colombian export this was the first area to stop commercially producing cannabis because this is an important coca producing area.

Also red, could you describe the variation in seed size and types among what you've seen in colombia?