The NRA (National Rifle Association)

[bergerbuddy]

When people get the notion that the FEDERAL government is there to protect other U.S. Citizens from you out of their heads.. maybe directions in this Country can change from the current apathetic move towards SOCIALISM FASICIM POLICE STATE.

Corps ought not be CONTROLLING the info people are "exposed" to or the laws people have to live under either. Using the FEDERAL government to reach thier own SELFISH ends..

The STATE Governemnt may "owe" you some protection.. get it from them... but the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OWES U A SAFE COUNTRY TO LIVE IN... PERIOD.. AND THAT MEANS FROM FOREIGN ENEMIES.. OR EVEN OTHER STATES.. IT IS THERE TO PROTECT STATES SOVEREIGNITY AND FEDERAL UNITY

And they under the Bush Regime sure have not provided that.... This shit about them keeping us safe for 5 yrs is just that SHIT.. IF they were keeping us safe they would have acted on that "Bin-Hiden determined to Attack within america".. They WERE after all running that VERY SCENARIO ON THE MORNING OF 9-11 AND ADMIT IT.. so to say they were "clueless" is merely a comment on GWB's overall mental state. And ANYONE who has listened to Norman Menittas Testimony in front on the 9-11 commision.. available btw on YOUTUBE.com knows THIS GOVERNMENT COULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY PREVENTED THE PENTAGON ATTACK AT THE VERY LEASt.. THAT CAME 47 MINUTES AFTER THE SECOND AIRPLANE CRASHED... And if they couldn't have... then THAT is PLAIN FUCKING INEPT.. Taking our liberties does NOTHING TO PROTECT US FROM TERRORISM IN THE LONG RUN..

If ya'll think the 2nd amendment is outdated there is ONE THING AND ONE THING ONLY TO DO IN AMERICA... REPEAL THE SECOND AMENDMENT... IF YOU CAN GET 2/3 OF THE STATES TO AGREE WITH YA!

Love AMERICA... the way it is... CHANGE IT...legally if you don't... OR LEAVE IT... but DON'T CHANGE IT BY FIAT AND EXPECT TRUE AMERICANS TO GO ALONG WITH THE CREDIBILITY OF THAT!

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[B.C.]

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It's no wonder political threads get ugly.There is always someone that puts them self on that high in the sky pedastal enough ta think they can cut down other folks for their beleifs or in this case their heritage.I can asure you I have no inferiorty complexes nor do I have old testament worldveiws,I jus like ta hunt!......One things fer sure without the NRA us gun owners won't have our guns.I reckon it's a catch 22 situation,the NRA backs Bush,but I bet the majority of the NRA members don't.Outside of stickin up fer our gun rights,I think the majority are wonderin where is Lee Harvey when ya need him.ha j/k.....You know I've seen alot of intelligent folks here make good points about the NRA bein a shitty organization anymore,but I haven't seen anyone suggest any alternatives? Prolly cuz no other organization has the kinda dough the NRA does,which falls down ta the "GOLDEN RULE" thing.You know,he who has the gold makes the rules.It's the american way anymore.Now if we can jus get Bill Gates ta back NORMAL we'd have it made!!! BTW I'll NEVER give up my guns! yep it's the cold dead hands thing fer me.lol Take care...BC

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

.One things fer sure without the NRA us gun owners won't have our guns.

That's the big Lie that keeps the NRA rollin'...
Who told you that? The NRA, of course...

,the NRA backs Bush,but I bet the majority of the NRA members don't.

Oh yes they do... EVERY single member who paid their NRA dues sent Money to the BUSH campaign machine...

Not that it would be at all the case with the demographic here, BUT... I have prsonally heard people argue that you can't vote against the republicans or we'll have no guns anymore... Of course they fail to mention that if you vote for the republicans, you'll have no freedom anymore...

 

[Smokin' Chopper]

Oh yes they do... EVERY single member who paid their NRA dues sent Money to the BUSH campaign machine...

If I may play a bit of devil's advocate here....

Sure this is understood, but when a vote comes down to choosing the lesser of two evils anyhow, many of us would choose our guns first. So if this guy is for them.....

Not that it would be at all the case with the demographic here, BUT... I have prsonally heard people argue that you can't vote against the republicans or we'll have no guns anymore... Of course they fail to mention that if you vote for the republicans, you'll have no freedom anymore...

No freedom... always a possibility, but this country was formed by men with guns who used them against their government. Without these guns, there is not only no freedom, but less of a chance of a successful fight too.

Just something to ponder.

SC

 

[7ate9]

No freedom... always a possibility, but this country was formed by men with guns who used them against their government. Without these guns, there is not only no freedom, but less of a chance of a successful fight too.


SC

When will we have the right to have missiles?

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

If I may play a bit of devil's advocate here....

Sure this is understood, but when a vote comes down to choosing the lesser of two evils anyhow, many of us would choose our guns first. So if this guy is for them.....



No freedom... always a possibility, but this country was formed by men with guns who used them against their government. Without these guns, there is not only no freedom, but less of a chance of a successful fight too.

Just something to ponder.

SC

Like I said before...

Thinking you can overthrow the military might of the US government, with rifles and handguns is extremely niave...

I could never vote for someone who commits crimes against humanity, just because their opponent might be thinking about tighter gun laws... To do so, imho, is nothing short of the most evil kind of selfishness... putting one's own agenda above the lives of innocents...

And I will never support any organization that would suggest I should...

 

[hazy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoney Mama
Exactly right, El Smoko. The second amendment isn't about hunting. It's about our ability to protect ourselves from those who would do us harm and from a tyrannical and despotic government.

The second amendment's intent was protection... But it doesn't do that anymore... No matter how many firearms you possess, the government will always have more and bigger and better... And if they don't like your politics, they'll take your arms as a threat, and go all ruby ridge on you... Or maybe waco... or montana... or anywhere else keeping and bearing arms had no bearing on the government's ability to infringe on someone's freedom...

If the Second ammendment... If Gun ownership gave us anything more than the illusion of being able to protect our rights, it would be different... But in these modern times 90% of the legitimate (as in not just rhetoric) reasons to own a gun are recreational, and Many more people own guns to target shoot and hunt, than do 'in case the government gets out of line'...

i agree with both of you.
but just because the gov has bigger and better stuff than us does not mean we should just say forget it it's useless.
we should still stand for our rights

edit- i'm not endorsing supporting the NRA, they can do some good, but are now more like a neo-gun rights group. kind of like neo-conservatives are to conservatives.
almost a wolf in sheep's clothing

 

[B.C.]

I see yer point Head

I see yer point Head

But do you actully think people look at it like that? kill inoccent people or have my guns? I don't think so.I think hine sight is 20-20.I'm not a member of the NRA because they support Bush anyway (and I sure didn't vote fer him either).I'm a member because their in there lobbying against anti-gun bills everyday on the congressional level.Your only kiddin yerself if you think that doesn't keep us from loosin our guns.Who else is going ta do it? If there is noone there to oppose,that shit would fly right through.Nobody had ta tell me that,it's how our gov works.It's all about the money,that's how you get laws or block bills from becomming laws.I love my country but fuckin hate my government! This isn't very fun,so I'm done...smile! Take care...BC ps cold dead hands Buuuwhahahaaa!

 

[hazy]

I love my country but fuckin hate my government!

right on bc

 

[PhenoMenal]

Just say no to guns.

 

[toohighmf]

I AM THE NRA!

I AM THE NRA!

I been a lifetime member since 1984. I have been shooting since I was 4. I shot amateur Skeet since I was 9. as I grew older I found more fun w pistol sports. I dont hunt. I kill paper, cardboard, clay and steel. I shoot ISPC, IDPA, USPSA, and Steel Challenge. Being a Californian, We are limited to what we are allowed to possess and own. If it wasnt for the NRA, my shooting sports games would of been dead, and I would have to find a new hobby. I love Action Shooting and I am always buying as many specialty Sport/division specific pistols. the NRA has allowed me to protect my life and store in a robbery/shootout scenario. For if it wasnt for the NRA, handguns would be illegal in CA. only left in the hands of Cops and criminals, how Would I be able to protect myself, the poor bastard picking up a 600w light setup and some other high ticket stuff who had a gun in his ear, and of course our money, and my merchandise w/o the level playing field of having a gun to diffuse the situation and save my customer, my gear, and of course my own life? It was crazy! I barridaded my self behind 23l's and cases of Nutes.. heres some pics of the shootout, and some of my babies the NRA has bestowed upon me. Thank you NRA! Sorry if you dont like guns. their all legally owned by me. this is my money pit... And I LOVE EVERY STINKIN BIT OF IT!

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

But do you actully think people look at it like that? kill inoccent people or have my guns? I don't think so.I think hine sight is 20-20.I'm not a member of the NRA because they support Bush anyway (and I sure didn't vote fer him either).I'm a member because their in there lobbying against anti-gun bills everyday on the congressional level.Your only kiddin yerself if you think that doesn't keep us from loosin our guns.Who else is going ta do it? If there is noone there to oppose,that shit would fly right through.Nobody had ta tell me that,it's how our gov works.It's all about the money,that's how you get laws or block bills from becomming laws.I love my country but fuckin hate my government! This isn't very fun,so I'm done...smile! Take care...BC ps cold dead hands Buuuwhahahaaa!

Yet another post indicative of how effective the NRA's scare tacticts are...
Offer evidence (from a non-NRA source) that without the NRA we would have no guns...
OF course the NRA is going to put out all the propaganda they can to make you scared that your gun will be taken away, and it obviously works... Everytime any sort of gun regulation's come up, the NRA starts screaming about it, like it's the Absolute end of gun ownership...
The NRA has you programed to thing liberals are the enemy and will take your guns, exactly like the US government has you programed to think there is a vast terrorist threat... It's all about fear...
Take an advertising class...
Know how to manipulate people? How to make people accept an Idea or a product? Sex and fear...

Using distorted 'facts' and endless repetition to reinforce things...
From 'brave new world", by Aldous Huxley... "One hundred repetitions three nights a week for four years, thought Bernard Marx, who was a specialist on hypnopædia. Sixty-two thousand four hundred repetitions make one truth."

How many copies of 'American rifleman' Do you have that don't have photo's of scantily clad ladies with guns, and articles about how the NRA protects your gun ownership rights from the evil liberals?

 

[El Loco Smoko]

As fot shooting Bambi, I'd rather shoot her than watch her starve.I'm a cattle rancher, and have seen deer starve by the 100's.They atart eating haystacks, and that''s not good for em.People throw out alfalfa for them, and don't know the harm that does.I'd much rather have harvested them humanely.I carried a mini 14 for varmit control.Semi auto's have there place.Good for defense, also.Lotta varmits out there.
Good shooting Toohigh.I'd been outta some money iff'n you didn't have your guns.That was hairy.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

But do you actully think people look at it like that? kill inoccent people or have my guns? I don't think so.

I don't think so either...
I actually don't think most people look beyond their own 'pet' agenda, politically... I don't think people look at the big picture, just their own piece of the picture...

If people would look at the whole picture, they might find somethings more important than the right to walk into wal-mart, and walk back out with a rifle and ammo....

And,
I would like to think, that if more people think about the end result of the way their dollar is spent, they would modify their behavior accordingly...

 

[GorillaGrower]

the only people on a high pedestal are the ones thinking that a law made 200 hundred years ago (when a technology was at its infancy) gives them the right to hold killing instruments on their person. This country used guns to help defend it self.. but we also used our brains and heart.


Just the fact that everything else in the entire world we try to protect ourselves from the food we eat to medicine, to protecting ourselves from bad doctors .. why oh why are we supplying criminals with guns?? money power.


you can take most shootings in america .. and you'll find the weapons came from somewhere available. that could of been stopped. ie virginia tech shooting..

purchased handguns (not for personal protection here huh?) at a shop and everything else needed to kill many many people. HE was a student.. HE was pyschotic.. HE lives in a country where you can buy weapons that kill tens of people with out any skill. IF he had a single shot bolt action rifle.. like any attacker.. it would of been an entirely different day. You have your rights, but your also getting your 500 clock news stories

 

[GorillaGrower]

The meaning of the Second Amendment
The text of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution reads as follows: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."[30]

The understanding of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution is a touchstone of modern political debate about guns in American politics. The claim that the Second Amendment grants or protects a constitutionally based individual right to guns is a common theme of gun right proponents.[31] For example, a study of the National Rifle Association publication American Hunter found thirty-four references to this claim in a single issue of the magazine.[32]

The extensive emphasis on the meaning of the Second Amendment in modern political activity is reflected in the resultant public perception.[32] A poll conducted by the National Rifle Association found that 89% of Americans believe they have a right to own a gun.[33]

The claim that the Second Amendment does not grant or protects a constitutionally based individual right to guns is a common theme of gun right opponents. Robert Spitzer[34] summarizes his opinion of United States Supreme Court precedence on this question:

"The Court in this case (U.S. v. Cruikshank, a pre-incorporation Supreme Court case) established two principles that it (and most other courts) have consistently upheld: that the Second Amendment does not simply afford any individual a right to bear arms free from governmental control; and that the Second Amendment is not "incorporated," meaning that it pertains only to federal power, not state power..."[35]

According to Spitzer, the Second Amendment does not in any way restrict the States from passing legislation which regulates firearms. The vast majority of firearm laws in the United States are not federal, but local codes, and are not constrained by the Second Amendment[36]



first part shows nra propaganda... second part.. shows you that the laws can and should be changed at the state level. That would make it so if you lived in AK or MO you could own a different class then say down town atlanta georgia. would that work? I think over time and depending on what's restricted.

 

[toohighmf]

I'm not a republican

I'm not a republican

If you outlaw guns, only cops and outlaws will have them. I have been shot at in my store by gangsters trying to jack me. I dont need the NRA to tell me how important it is, or use scare tactics to convince me. have people who shouldnt even be in this country, let alone my hydro shop, come in w glocks and hi capacity magazines.. my 10 bullets vs. their 32??? NRA works to keep me allowed to protect my store, its customers and employees, if at least myself as well.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

If you outlaw guns, only cops and outlaws will have them. I have been shot at in my store by gangsters trying to jack me. I dont need the NRA to tell me how important it is, or use scare tactics to convince me. have people who shouldnt even be in this country, let alone my hydro shop, come in w glocks and hi capacity magazines.. my 10 bullets vs. their 32??? NRA works to keep me allowed to protect my store, its customers and employees, if at least myself as well.

No...your ability to protect your store is independent of the NRA...
The scare tactics make you think you need them to protect your gun...
The scare tactics are not designed to make you think you need a gun, just that with out them, you couldn't have one...
And yes it has worked on you...
Show me proof from a non-NRA-propaganda source that without the NRA you couldn't protect your store... That without the NRA you couldn't have a gun...
I'm not arguing for or against gun control... I'm saying that the NRA has made you unnecessarily fearful of any type of gun control laws... The NRA has people afraid that everyone is trying to take their gun... and that any laws governing the gun trade are an attack on freedom...

The magazine they send you each month is their propaganda machine... full of warnings about politicians, and stories of gun owners shooting bad guys... Pumping you up and priming you to send the money that supports more propaganda...

 

[hazy]

h3ad sounds like youv'e been hearing too much lib prop.
the nra has helped keep guns legal.
the gov would take them now if they could. a blind man could see that.
that vtech shooter should not have even been in this country.

and gorrilla
why do i give a shit what someone named spitzer says about my country's constitution.
i'll bet he did not have any ancestors in the revolution.
prolly from transplanted commie stock from soviet union.

oh and funny how 'states rights' trumps the constitution when they take away gun rights, but 'states rights' are bad when it comes to, say integration.

 

[7ate9]

h3ad sounds like youv'e been hearing too much lib prop.
the nra has helped keep guns legal.
the gov would take them now if they could. a blind man could see that.
that vtech shooter should not have even been in this country.

and gorrilla
why do i give a shit what someone named spitzer says about my country's constitution.
i'll bet he did not have any ancestors in the revolution.
prolly from transplanted commie stock from soviet union.

oh and funny how 'states rights' trumps the constitution when they take away gun rights, but 'states rights' are bad when it comes to, say integration.

ROFL. Where do I start...