The NRA (National Rifle Association)

[Smokin' Chopper]

commercial flights and guns=jail. alaska included. check your facts peeps. it USE to be allowed.


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I could be mistaken but I took Nokuy's comment as referring to the brush planes and small charter flights across much of the state and portions of Canada.

I don't watch tv so I didn't catch anything about a reporter and Heston's house. Please share if you have sources, that's what the discussion is here for. Its an open and mature debate.

SC

 

[NOKUY]

I could be mistaken but I took Nokuy's comment as referring to the brush planes and small charter flights across much of the state and portions of Canada.

I don't watch tv so I didn't catch anything about a reporter and Heston's house. Please share if you have sources, that's what the discussion is here for. Its an open and mature debate.

SC

I am mainly refering to "bush planes"

....but also referring to ALL flights that land or originate in Alaska are federally required to cary a firearm.


Alaska and Canada have had a "beef" for a LONG time regarding the law sice lots of "bush planes" fly between Alaska and Canada and the laws dont mix well at all.

 

[B.C.]

I'm member of the NRA

I'm member of the NRA

I was the one that sent the PM.

The NRA has helped a ton for firearms, I agree with that. The thing is the people that fund the NRA are top firearm manufactures who want to make sales.

I disagree with ya,the NRA is all about grass roots,even their funding.Shoot straight...BC

 

[Guest]

$75 bucks and a 3 hour class in colorado. (for concealed carry permit)...(honoored in most states)
.

That colorado permit,, - puts the holder on a "persons of interest" list for the PD. If you are pulled over in your car, the officer runs your plates - the owner comes back as a person of interest and you can look forward to a "Felony Stop" weither you are carrying or not. - - AND,,, it seems,,,, even if you return the permit, you stay on the list.

There was a loophole, a resident could have a permit from another state and still be legal, but they just closed that recently.

This for law abbiding citizens,,,

Ever been through a fellony stop?
If you have bud, it better be up your butt because otherwise your day just took a shit.



bad guys on the otherhand,,,,


Be careful out there.

I am mainly refering to "bush planes"

And I immeadiatly think G.W. huh??? LOL!!!

I gotta go and roll a phattie, this one (me) needs a new perspective.

 

[Old Man Time]

Proud alaskan citizen here.

Carry a .41 mag everywhere.

On bush planes as well.

Not allowed on commercial aircraft though.

 

[muddy waters]

people living in urban environments have absolutely no need to own a semi-automatic weapon.

people living in rural environments should keep firearms as practical tools for hunting, and again there's no need to have a semi-automatic weapon for hunting.

there's a simple problem with the hallowed 2nd amendment--there were no semi-automatic weapons in 1789. i don't think there were many stick-ups or horse-jackings or urban gangland warfare carried out at musket-point.

there's a more complicated problem, too, which is that the NRA has practically become a subsidiary or off-shoot of the republican party today. republicans give it its money, most of the big bucks come from very rich republicans involved in the gun business, and it in turns gives about a half a million bucks in soft money to the republican party every year for campaigning. thus the republican party's goals (holding power, trashing democrats, giving lucrative gov contracts to friends, and slashing gov spending on social services) have wittingly or not become the NRA's de facto agenda as well. too bad the people who love the 2nd amendment so much don't care enough about the 4th or 6th or 8th or 9th or 10th amendments to quit supporting a political party that has shit all over these and other constitutional rights.

but i'm just telling you how one cidiot sees it...

 

[Guest]

people living in urban environments have absolutely no need to own a semi-automatic weapon.

people living in rural environments should keep firearms as practical tools for hunting, and again there's no need to have a semi-automatic weapon for hunting.

Fortunatly for me, your not in charge.

this is what they said about full auto firearms, and now it's bad guys and cops with the class 3's

I don't see much use for an ar-15 as a hunting weapon, but that dosen't mean they should be outlawed.

Look at England - it's a major PIA to get a rifle let alone a handgun - but once again, criminals are well armed when desired. = and silencers are sold over the counter!!!

I know I'm not a danger, have carried most my life, never shot anyone, or myself. Out there in the wild west. there is somewhat of a gang problem - and the associated stupid shit here, should I be unlucky enough to wind up in the middle of someting - I feel a little better with something louder than a cell phone in my hand.

I have shot combat matches, and many of the people I see, really shouldn't be armed - and these are people that "THINK THEY ARE SAFE AND CAPIBLE" - most are safe - emphisis on most a few are occasionally capible.

I don't know where these people are during the rest of the time, but knowing they may be out there is not comforting at all.

I don't know what the answer is.I just feel that laws to disarm the citazens usually end up costing more than first imagined.

The soap box is now open.

 

[NOKUY]

Fortunatly for me, your not in charge.

this is what they said about full auto firearms, and now it's bad guys and cops with the class 3's

I don't see much use for an ar-15 as a hunting weapon, but that dosen't mean they should be outlawed.

Look at England - it's a major PIA to get a rifle let alone a handgun - but once again, criminals are well armed when desired. = and silencers are sold over the counter!!!

I know I'm not a danger, have carried most my life, never shot anyone, or myself. Out there in the wild west. there is somewhat of a gang problem - and the associated stupid shit here, should I be unlucky enough to wind up in the middle of someting - I feel a little better with something louder than a cell phone in my hand.

I have shot combat matches, and many of the people I see, really shouldn't be armed - and these are people that "THINK THEY ARE SAFE AND CAPIBLE" - most are safe - emphisis on most a few are occasionally capible.

I don't know where these people are during the rest of the time, but knowing they may be out there is not comforting at all.

I don't know what the answer is.I just feel that laws to disarm the citazens usually end up costing more than first imagined.

The soap box is now open.

"solart"

I can't agree w/ ya more.

IMO "most" peeps should not even be allowed to breath much less own a gun.

... or drive a car for that matter...and that's all before we even get to a concealed carry permit. (but it's obviously not up to me)

I will ALWAYS excercise my right to bear arms.

The 2nd ammend. is there to protect citizens from government, and allows us protection from thugs. (criminals will always be armed regardless)

NRA members aren't the ones pullin' off "drive by's" and bein' irresponsible w/ firearms.

I doubt that many on "death row" are/were NRA membere

 

[Smokin' Chopper]

Ladies and gents, this is the maturity and level headedness I was looking for. Arguments from both sides posted in awesome conversation. Damn I think I have wood, I'll smoke and chill it out!

But back on topic!

Muddy Waters, you definitely rock! I have some counters to this point but that is by far the most rational argument I've ever heard on this subject in any posting anywhere. Thank you very much, and welcome to this thread.

people living in urban environments have absolutely no need to own a semi-automatic weapon.

people living in rural environments should keep firearms as practical tools for hunting, and again there's no need to have a semi-automatic weapon for hunting.

I will not disagree with this to many extents. Urban environments really don't have too much of a need for semi-autos, save for perhaps home security which I can't object, but I can think of more "practical" weapons if needed. I can say the same for rural or hunting situations. A semi-auto is impractical because I'm a firm believer in "one shot, one kill"... a semi would not only be a waste of ammo, but a waste of meat if multiple hits are achieved. At the same time, if a semi is all that is available, I will argue its a multi-use tool capable of both home protection and hunting alike. (Although I want it known I tend to laugh at semi-auto hunters when I use a 5 shot, bolt action 30-06 and have never fired more than one round at my target).

there's a simple problem with the hallowed 2nd amendment--there were no semi-automatic weapons in 1789. i don't think there were many stick-ups or horse-jackings or urban gangland warfare carried out at musket-point.

Another great point in all honesty. However I, much like my predecessors can only "speculate" the weapons of the future. I can say that "repeater" weaponry was in the works in 1789 but it was by far a pipedream back in those days. Few knew that by 1889 Winchester would have created a lever action repeater that would still be very popular here in 2007. This does not mean I object to semi-autos as I have many. Few could have also speculated that by 2007, I might require a semi-auto for home security with the possibility that my attacker/intruder is weilding some hellacious firepower either factory or home made.

I almost hate to bring this up, but its a common sense issue that a hail of bullet spray will likely hesitate a would be attacker from converging. This said, the military was the driving force for repeater weapons, and it was merely a matter of time before the general public utilized this technology.

too bad the people who love the 2nd amendment so much don't care enough about the 4th or 6th or 8th or 9th or 10th amendments to quit supporting a political party that has shit all over these and other constitutional rights.

I can't speak the same for my fellow gun weilding Americans, but I do know exactly what you're talking about. I love history as much as I love guns (even would have majored in it in college, but other things prevailed.) and your words do not fall on deaf ears or actions here.

I've long been against political parties, instead in favor of one governing party/entity however this too defies the Constitution of the US, and to many seems like a socialist/communist/totalitarian thought.

So in closing to this post I say this:

I do agree with our current automatic weapons rulings which make it difficult for the everyday average joe to purchase. If nothing more than the simple fact I've had shots fired at me, and I can easily say if an automatic was fired at me from the hands of an idiot, I likely wouldn't be typing this message today.

I've even had semi-auto fire projected at me, but that's best suited for another thread perhaps. The point I'd like to make is I don't object to semi-autos for the level headed. I fully agree that most if not all persons on death row were not NRA members, let alone probably attended a firearms safety class. And I agree semi-autos are impractical (but not improbable mind you) for hunting use. They are designed with protection in mind, be it home or military.

I fully support our 2nd amendment for the reasons initially thought by those that wrote the Constitution, and for reasons they never could have predicted.

SC

 

[hazy]

i thought i'd chime in here.
guys like muddy bug me because they just don't get it. they see everything through Dem vs Rep
it's not just liberals, some conservatives do too.

i live a state where open carry is legal.

i distrust any infringement on my rights. concealed carry laws are just another way to compile lists of citizens for future targeting by government.
the 2nd ammendment has nothing to do with hunting or target practice.
it has everything to do with keeping the government in fear of the people.

there have been so many infringements that many people think guns are evil and that only redneck idiots use them, and that the infringements on this right are a good thing.

and muddy, the muskets used in the colonies were state of the art assault weapons of the day.
and i'm sure some crimes were committed with them.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

If you think the government is in fear of it's people, then You just don't get it... It's not people like Muddy who make it political, IT'S organizations like the NRA... They try to scare people into thinking One party is against gun ownership, and the other party is for it... Truth is the NRA gets PAID for their political opinion...

i thought i'd chime in here.
guys like muddy bug me because they just don't get it. they see everything through Dem vs Rep
it's not just liberals, some conservatives do too.

i live a state where open carry is legal.

i distrust any infringement on my rights. concealed carry laws are just another way to compile lists of citizens for future targeting by government.
the 2nd ammendment has nothing to do with hunting or target practice.
it has everything to do with keeping the government in fear of the people.

there have been so many infringements that many people think guns are evil and that only redneck idiots use them, and that the infringements on this right are a good thing.

and muddy, the muskets used in the colonies were state of the art assault weapons of the day.
and i'm sure some crimes were committed with them.

I own guns, I hunt, I've taught my son to shoot and hunt...
Ii am an expert marksman with a dozen high powered rifle match trophies...
I'm all for the right to keep and bear arms...
I supported the NRA when that was their main agenda, but they've changed... Their Main Agenda is political... Of course it's not just liberals... It's not liberals at all...

It's the conservative GAME to keep you scared...
Scared the liberals will take your guns...
Scared that Arabs are coming to hurt you...
Scared that Drugs might kill your kids...
Scared that Two homosexuals might get married and nullify all the real marriages...
Scared you might go to hell...


It amazes me how many people buy into the lies...

 

[NOKUY]

i live a state where open carry is legal.

i distrust any infringement on my rights. concealed carry laws are just another way to compile lists of citizens for future targeting by government.
the 2nd ammendment has nothing to do with hunting or target practice.
it has everything to do with keeping the government in fear of the people.

there have been so many infringements that many people think guns are evil and that only redneck idiots use them, and that the infringements on this right are a good thing.

and muddy, the muskets used in the colonies were state of the art assault weapons of the day.
and i'm sure some crimes were committed with them.

im so glad you posted bro!

"guns" as you know have prvented FAR more crime than they create.

 

[NOKUY]

Proud alaskan citizen here.

Carry a .41 mag everywhere.

On bush planes as well.

Not allowed on commercial aircraft though.

OMT...I know u know this bro.

...but yeah "you" "MR CITIZEN" can't carry concealed on a commercial flight.

BUT YOU SURELY KNOW.....that all pilots in Alaska are required to carry if they land or originate in AK

 

[Pops]

Muddy,I agree with you that fully automatic weapons are not needed in urban areas, unless you happen to live in East L.A. We Westerners believe in gun control. Our definition may however differ as ,to me, gun control is hitting the target with one shot so that civilian bystanders aren't injured. If you can't do that, unload the weapon, sneak up on the bastard and hit him over the head with it.

 

[NOKUY]

if its "tourist season" why can't we shoot them?.

 

[muddy waters]

this is what they said about full auto firearms, and now it's bad guys and cops with the class 3's

So you should be entitled to carry any weapon that bad guys and cops have? Up to and including nuclear warheads and biological agents, right? I mean, the bad guys and the authorities have access to that stuff after all... how are you going to defend yourself? The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, ie have an enormous weapons cache, a mustard gas lab, and an old B-29 bomber if you so choose. Can't let the crooks and cops have the advantage!

Look at England

ok, i will:

Murders per capita - by country

#24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
#46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people

 

[Pops]

I asked a Black friend of mine in Indiana if he had ever been coon hunting. Seems there is a season on them there.

 

[NOKUY]

So you should be entitled to carry any weapon that bad guys and cops have? Up to and including nuclear warheads and biological agents, right? I mean, the bad guys and the authorities have access to that stuff after all... how are you going to defend yourself? The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, ie have an enormous weapons cache, a mustard gas lab, and an old B-29 bomber if you so choose. Can't let the crooks and cops have the advantage!

ok, i will:

Murders per capita - by country

#24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
#46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people

yep ...at the VERY least we need a level playin field

 

[Guest]

Ok, first off.
Private citizens are allowed to own fully automatic weapos - it's a $500 or $1000 tax and ATF has to approve - the owner gives police the right to knock on your door any time and demand to see your weapon. - This can be somewhat circumvented if you have it stored at a class 3 dealers location.

A semi auto AR-15 is $600-$1000, a fully auto M-16 is 15-20K


Boys and their toys.

 

[The Uncola]

I am with muddy waters on this one. I have never owned a gun, growing up in suburban Indianapolis. I didn't start to get political until 2000 when I voted against Bush. Done that twice! I can't imagine giving any money to those who support people like Bush. His popularity is now down to about 25% Despite extremely powerful propaganda blanketing the MSM, the American people are starting to wake up. Dubyuh is starting to take dictatorial powers. The people are starting to chant louder and louder for impeachment. High Crimes and Misdemeanors have been committed. Gonzo the AG is about to be impeached. He is the fire wall protecting Dubyuh. The thing I hate most about Dubyuh is the contempt for SCIENCE! What a big time Looser! Stem Cell Research? That was his first veto. Had Enough?