the KUSH thread

[Guest]

OG is clone only so anything from seed is not the 'real deal' OG. Some peeps rag on Dr. Greenthumb but most his gear is good.

Yes I know the real og is clone only, gt told me he paid big money for a cut of og, i dont know what cut but he made it herm and grew those seeds out untill he got a male, then used it on the cut. I had pretty good luck with those seeds so far , real deal or not. I know its off topic but back to the real kush thread.

 

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

OG Bub - Yo, I read through (or tried to) the first page or so.... Haters.

I am mad happy I foung this thread on kush. I have coming to me in the mail a 5 pack of Dutch Passion Master Kush (they are feminized). I would normally not waste the $ on feminized seeds however the seed bank I do business with was out if the DP standard version.

Question. Is this what you would consider real kush? I have not gone into the foothills of Afghanistan to take specimens, I don't have that luxury. So how do I really know if this is the real deal Kush. I am a purist and want the best available.

I am in no way knocking Dutch Passion, whatever comes out of those seeds (and thier many, many replicas) will be AAA bud. Everything I have ever grow from a sealed Dutch Passion pack has been THE best herb I have had the privledge of inhaling. Thier Blueberry, Mazar, and Power Plants are all amazing.

But back to the Kush. What is everones opinion on this? What is considered THE KUSH (condisering only those strains available to the general public) and did I make a good choice???

 

[DocLeaf]

OG Bub - Yo, I read through (or tried to) the first page or so.... Haters.

ignore the player haters,, they serve no-one but themselves... :wink:

I have coming to me in the mail a 5 pack of Dutch Passion Master Kush

Yo mean - "Inhale, Exhale,, They sent ya some Kush in the mail"

Question. Is this what you would consider real kush? I have not gone into the foothills of Afghanistan to take specimens, I don't have that luxury. So how do I really know if this is the real deal Kush. I am a purist and want the best available...

But back to the Kush. What is everones opinion on this? What is considered THE KUSH (condisering only those strains available to the general public) and did I make a good choice???

'Afghan/i and Kush (from the Hindu Kush mountains) often are interchangeable, and growers interchange the names enough so that either description may apply.' Mel Franks, 1988

Master Kush is a nice plant,, but only Arjaan know's if it comes from the Hindu Kush region or not.

hope this helps

 

[Raco]

Master Kush is a nice plant,, but only Arjaan know's if it comes from the Hindu Kush region or not.

hope this helps

???????
Are you saying that Arjan breed the MK?

 

[DocLeaf]

Hi Raco,

???????
Are you saying that Arjan breed the MK?

Yes. This was the first plant strain that he/greenhouse made.

enquote: 'In the begining I had a number of varieties that were pretty functional: Master Kush, White Shark, and a couple of others, but at the time I simple could not get rid of them'.

source: http://www.softsecrets.nl/_public/SSUK2005-05.pdf

peace out
dLeaf

 

[DocLeaf]

Master Kush [Black Label]

 

[Tom Hill]

Here this thread is...

Dubi,

"Main problem with DC is mold. She's a 'mold machine'. She should came from a very dry climate in Afghanistan. Dont know if her mold resistance has been worked more or less in California but she's most sensible strain to mold i've grown in years."

Well, I suppose if push came to shove I would have to agree with you. Please understand, I just can't help but to come to her defence, she has gobbled up lots of my time on this pebble for good reason. The question begs to be asked however, how you'd compare its mold resistance with plants you've grown of comparable structure?

Very best regards,
Tom

 

[XyZ]

Heya Tom, you already helped a lot! ...the higher calcium concentration seems to be a good trick... i can not say for sure if that was the reason but this year we had very little mold on the chunks (yes and i live in relative humid place)

 

[Tom Hill]

I'm at home now, let me print it all out for you regarding my previous comments re "Hemp diseases and pest", a wonderful effort by some of the world leading experts..

 

[esbe]

i live in a very humid country(denmark)and my dcs was not over tending to mold this season. beans came from xyz\raco and og bub. i was pretty suprised as everyone tells me about its bad mold resistans. we had a shitty wet summer, but a nice dry october. here october and partly september are very important months. if we have nice and dry weather we have almost no mold probs and if its wet and very humid we loose almost everything(many does, hehe). actually i had under 5% mold, only my greenhouse dc was lil more.

 

[dubi]

Good day Tom,

It's great to see you around

We have had most rainy and wet season in the past 50 years (more than 300l/m2 of rain in less than one month) so it's not the most 'normal' season to judge their resistance.

I initially thought mold problems was something related with greenhouse where your lines have been growing, after talk with other growers seems mold has been a main problem for all outdoor growers here this season, and not a concrete problem inside greenhouse.

Deep Chunk was quite sensible against botrytis, while Pine Tar Kush was more sensible against Oidium (white mold). Raco's x18 clone showed good mold resistance and was not affected.

Your lines have been grown side by side with other indicas. Uzbeki and Pakistan Chitral resisted perfectly direct water, pure chinese was sensible against Oidium but had decent resistance against Brotrytys. Erdbeer Purpurea has been quite resistance also.

Despite problems, i'm very happy with finished quality. Your genetics have been drying only for a few weeks and would like to cure them a little bit more but i have enjoyed a lot first samples. There's a huge work behind your lines Tom.

I found DC very pleasant, warm and dense smoke with dark incensey creamy hashy aromas, lovely pot. X18 is very powerful and aromatic, PTK similar in aromas to X18 but more relaxing.

I hope post detailed smoke reports soon. Best wishes! dubi

 

[XyZ]

hey Tom, one thing i want to ask ya is about the extreme dc phenos. i love the flavor from a well cured dc, always have some chunks in every indoor grow as well as outdoors. probably i will grow it forever but my old pothead is not more so stoned as in my first dc rounds. once i had a dc that was really better than others, far more frosty... but the plant refused the reveg. now i wanna start the hunt for this chunks with the abnormal trichome production... i know the one way is to keep clones from all but that's easier to say than to make, especially when starting with a higher number of chunks. i'm wonerding if you can give us any hints if it's possible to observe the special individuals also in the more early stages? to say in other words, are any specific veg-traits linked with this super-dc pheno? sorry my english, hope you know what i mean. Thanks

 

[Tom Hill]

I believe this was written by Bart Hall in an excellent intro to the basics of soil balancing. Search "William Albrecht" for more.

"In most cases, correcting for low calcium will simultaneously correct for low pH (acid soil). A common error in conventional agriculture is to see low pH as the problem, rather than as a symptom of low calcium. With such an approach, calcium additions to the soil have tended to be incidental to limestone applications focused on correcting pH, rather than governed by the calcium/magnesium regime in the soil.
This is unfortunate, since calcium as a nutrient plays an important role in crop health and quality. Of particular intrest to hemp producers is calcium's action in strengthening cell structure. This occurs both at the level of plant framework (fiber in this case) and at the level of cell chemistry. Adequate levels of available calcium significantly improve the strength of the pectin that is such an important component of plant cell walls.
Stregthening pectin with calcium is a chemical reaction independent of whether or not the pectin is part of a living plant or not. Anyone who has used soluble calcium to set the low-methoxy pectins used in making sugarless jams can attest to this fact. In living plants with abundant available calcium, pectin is much more robust. Among other things, it makes cell walls more resistant to the polygalacturonase enzyme used by most fungal germ tubes to break down plant defences when attempting to exploit an infection court. In plain English that means that there is a greater chance that germinating fungal spores will dry out and die before they get into the plant and start to grow. In practical terms, the plant is more resistant to fungal diseases."


Folks, get this book on the coffee table please, it is a collection of all research to date kind of book & is absolutely outstanding.


Very Best Regards,

Tom

 

[Farmer John]

Great thread guys, just about to sprout some of your original dc Tom and a few of XyZ's and Raco's DCxNepalese, lest hope for a bunch of purdy girls and some hunky males!

 

[Tom Hill]

Thank you brother Dubi for the kind words, I pray you will continue the line amigo it's a good one. The best imo.

XyZ, welcome to my nightmare, pure, truely pure indicas are a bitch to reveg, they grow, shoot their wad, then die. I see no way around taking clones during veg. I'll go on record here though & say that Breeder Steve said it really well once, "those might be the ones you want". The Krinkled leaved phenos that just can't get right till they "grow out of it". These plants that freak out under regular conditions, the red headed step childred of the cannabis world, the one's who show an extreme sensability to normal environmental conditions... I'm sure that these plants produce a greater percentage of what I'm looking for resin wise, though many pro's may disagree -no matter- one day we'll prove this to be true in the eyes of all.

 

[Lean Green]

Wow this is a great thread. Thank you, to all the contributers.



You can't tell in the picture but, I seeded this plant with my only PTK male

 

[richardwilliams]

Hi folks, nice thread.
I would not rate Dc as a mold magnet.
Its resitent to powdery mildew, and in this seasons wet bc outdour faired better than a couple of my hybrids mold wise, these examples survived pretty well out in da swamp.

I liked your comments Tom about the freak phenos.
Im running one now of a Blue heaven/durban thai high flyher thats gotta be the freakiest plant ever, coming from a whole line of phreaks, ive paired it down to this one plant.

Dubi, did you ever find one that germed outs my batch of Dc's. A few folks had a problem getting a decent germination rate, yet others had 100%, so I was wonderin Dubi if you gotta keeper outta my one and only dc release>

 

[Guest]

Hi folks, nice thread.
I liked your comments Tom about the freak phenos.
Im running one now of a Blue heaven/durban thai high flyher thats gotta be the freakiest plant ever, coming from a whole line of phreaks, ive paired it down to this one plant.
Dubi, did you ever find one that germed outs my batch of Dc's. A few folks had a problem getting a devent germination rate, yet others had 100%, so I was wonderin Dubi if you gotta keeper outta my one and only dc release>

ARE THE THANKSGIVING SPECIALS..... NEW BATCH OR A FEW PACKS LEFT FROM THE FIRST...... .....well regardless R. Williams i will be sending in my MO express next week and if by gods luck the 2 packs make a safe trip , once they land ......they will be floated in Ro water for 2-3 days to soften them up and then placed ....only about half a inch deep in black gold starter Mix ill give you a germ report on how they GO

i have worked with strains that have taken 3-4 days just to crack flaoting in water and then another few days to even break soil very well

 

[richardwilliams]

DC germination

DC germination

da ghost, i only made the one release of the dc so best use your powers to try and get a good germ rate, best of luck with em, cheers, richard.

 

[luminous]

Esbe brother, that one vigorous narrow leaf DC plant of yours is an accidental hybrid of Bubs, after thousands upon thousands of them, there is very little doubt in my mind about that. Run an s1 or f2 of that plant & it will be clear to you.

Very Best Regards,

Tom

found a funky DC plant outta some DC seconds from Bub myself, see it here..........

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=50044&page=2&pp=15&highlight=deep+chunk+sativa

never did really know what to make of it. looked great smelled great but wasnt much to smoke. i had thought somethin may have gotten into the mix, but was never sure as i didnt do the seed myself.

the other plants in the batch came out as advertised.

have some DS9s flowerin now, lookin pretty nice, with loads of resins.