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tenfeetofganja
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TomHill said:
KUSH = most popular strain on market at current time, everyone wants to claim they have it.
Marketing, its nothing new, i've watched it happend from the old 70s acuo gold to the mid80s skunk to 90s blueberry and trainwreck to current days kush...
similar to those shiity bands that put out a single and is eaten up and regurgated over and over until no one wants anything to do with it... so will be kush...
thats the great thing about sensimilla... just like the rest of the world it is progressing and evolving...
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indicalover
True Kush will always be sought out by connoisseurs, not talking about Kush hybrids. I am talking about the real deal pure kush plants.
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Awesome plant!!!
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TomHill said:
L.A Kush Kraze
L.A Kush Kraze
I am an SFV_OG! born and raised in the valley "like fer sure fer sure" I'm not very old, 33 started growing when I was 13. I only have about 20 years of experience and my friends as well as myself were the first to be givin bubba kush in '97 from a friend in FL. if its marketing thats doing it, its doin a damn good job! because 10 years later, bubba, OG, PK, and the rest of the non landrace "Kushes" are just as popular if not more than just 5 years ago. I cant believe it took the weed periodicals 10 years to catch up w the hype to blow it out to what it is today. As a tech rep for a nutrient co. I meet a lot of growers all over CAN. and the US. I have been gifted many bags of seriously inferior pot from a lot of growers I truly respect and look up too. I'm sure their are some great landrace strains from the hindu kush mtns, but I have yet to find anything I like more than chemdogs and rez's "kushes" or Deisels and bubba kush is still in my top 3 after growing it for 10 years. Tom I have seen som pics of some of your OD chicken wire plastic wrapped valleys of huge plants in awe! you are an inspiration to us all! However, these new elites I feel are truly elite. I dont want to smoke much of anything else anymore. there must be a reason for that...
L.A Kush Kraze
tenfeetofganja said:
I am an SFV_OG! born and raised in the valley "like fer sure fer sure" I'm not very old, 33 started growing when I was 13. I only have about 20 years of experience and my friends as well as myself were the first to be givin bubba kush in '97 from a friend in FL. if its marketing thats doing it, its doin a damn good job! because 10 years later, bubba, OG, PK, and the rest of the non landrace "Kushes" are just as popular if not more than just 5 years ago. I cant believe it took the weed periodicals 10 years to catch up w the hype to blow it out to what it is today. As a tech rep for a nutrient co. I meet a lot of growers all over CAN. and the US. I have been gifted many bags of seriously inferior pot from a lot of growers I truly respect and look up too. I'm sure their are some great landrace strains from the hindu kush mtns, but I have yet to find anything I like more than chemdogs and rez's "kushes" or Deisels and bubba kush is still in my top 3 after growing it for 10 years. Tom I have seen som pics of some of your OD chicken wire plastic wrapped valleys of huge plants in awe! you are an inspiration to us all! However, these new elites I feel are truly elite. I dont want to smoke much of anything else anymore. there must be a reason for that...
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indicalover
Dam that is a pretty bud! Have you smoked any of that yet Raco? Just wondering what the smoke is like.
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indicalover
Thanks man, it looks dam good!
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easyrasta
They should be releasing those seeds soon i believe
Heya Toohighmf,
I'm not one to get particularly hung up on whether a line is landrace or not. It's the region of origin handles on the LA lines that bother me a little I think because they don't seem to be anything but guesses in most cases, albeit likely good guesses sometimes. I think maybe a certain responsibility comes with naming a plant via its origins, & more than a guess should probably be the prerequisite there. I'm not going to grow some bagseed, & just start calling it Colombian highland because I think that's probably what it is- let alone go around saying "this is the one & only real deal Colombian". This would seem somewhat a mockery of more serious cataloging attempts, & has a few folks grinding their teeth
. Anyhow, I absolutely agree that many of them are truly elite regardless of their origins & they are very reminiscent to me of the older types of lines & hybrids that were much more common 25 years ago
Best to all,
Tom
I'm not one to get particularly hung up on whether a line is landrace or not. It's the region of origin handles on the LA lines that bother me a little I think because they don't seem to be anything but guesses in most cases, albeit likely good guesses sometimes. I think maybe a certain responsibility comes with naming a plant via its origins, & more than a guess should probably be the prerequisite there. I'm not going to grow some bagseed, & just start calling it Colombian highland because I think that's probably what it is- let alone go around saying "this is the one & only real deal Colombian". This would seem somewhat a mockery of more serious cataloging attempts, & has a few folks grinding their teeth
. Anyhow, I absolutely agree that many of them are truly elite regardless of their origins & they are very reminiscent to me of the older types of lines & hybrids that were much more common 25 years ago Best to all,
Tom
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Afghani Paki lines
Afghani Paki lines
High all,
Interesting thread you have here!
I have some Tom's lines growing in the garden this season. Deep Chunk, Pine Tar Kush (both from seed, thanks to Tom and Richard Williams) and X 18 (female clone, sent by raco, thanks bro).
Deep Chunk is an extreme pure afghani line. Probably one of the most representative 'textbook' indica a grower can find. She's slow to germinate and to grow. She needs 50-100% more time of vegging compared with indica dominants hybrids or other more vigorous indica landraces.
A pleasure to the view, her 'tank' robust structure, her leaves ... Deep Chunk is an impressive plant.
She starts to flower quite early here at 37ºN, around mid July. Harvest is expected for end of Sept-Early Oct.
They are flowering nicely, i dont think she's a low yielder. She's only slow vegging. She smells hashy/gummy .... classic indica aromas ... one female smells creamy/incensey (lovely, remembers me some of the best chinese creamy expressions), others have earthier aroma.
Flower/leaf ratio is not good but this is a commoun trait with indica landraces. Her most impressive trait is her extreme resin production, leaf close the flowers are suffocated by insane trichome production. Sinceresly i havent seen something similar in landrace inbred line.
Some outdoor DC passing mid flowering
Main problem with DC is mold. She's a 'mold machine'. She should came from a very dry climate in Afghanistan. Dont know if her mold resistance has been worked more or less in California but she's most sensible strain to mold i've grown in years.
We had very strong rains past week. Around 100 l/m2 in less than 24 hours. I moved all DCs inside greenhouse to protect them against direct water. But DCs have started to produce mold very quickly under high ambiental moisture.
Here are typical DC outdoors flower with rotten signs
Purple Pakistan Chitral, also an inbred indica line, received directly all the rain and produced 0 mold.
Raco's X18 clone is finishing in less than week. Pine Tar Kush flowers slower outdoors compared to DC or PTK. PTK harvest is expected for mid October.
Afghani Paki lines
High all,
Interesting thread you have here!
I have some Tom's lines growing in the garden this season. Deep Chunk, Pine Tar Kush (both from seed, thanks to Tom and Richard Williams) and X 18 (female clone, sent by raco, thanks bro).
Deep Chunk is an extreme pure afghani line. Probably one of the most representative 'textbook' indica a grower can find. She's slow to germinate and to grow. She needs 50-100% more time of vegging compared with indica dominants hybrids or other more vigorous indica landraces.
A pleasure to the view, her 'tank' robust structure, her leaves ... Deep Chunk is an impressive plant.
She starts to flower quite early here at 37ºN, around mid July. Harvest is expected for end of Sept-Early Oct.
They are flowering nicely, i dont think she's a low yielder. She's only slow vegging. She smells hashy/gummy .... classic indica aromas ... one female smells creamy/incensey (lovely, remembers me some of the best chinese creamy expressions), others have earthier aroma.
Flower/leaf ratio is not good but this is a commoun trait with indica landraces. Her most impressive trait is her extreme resin production, leaf close the flowers are suffocated by insane trichome production. Sinceresly i havent seen something similar in landrace inbred line.
Some outdoor DC passing mid flowering
Main problem with DC is mold. She's a 'mold machine'. She should came from a very dry climate in Afghanistan. Dont know if her mold resistance has been worked more or less in California but she's most sensible strain to mold i've grown in years.
We had very strong rains past week. Around 100 l/m2 in less than 24 hours. I moved all DCs inside greenhouse to protect them against direct water. But DCs have started to produce mold very quickly under high ambiental moisture.
Here are typical DC outdoors flower with rotten signs
Purple Pakistan Chitral, also an inbred indica line, received directly all the rain and produced 0 mold.
Raco's X18 clone is finishing in less than week. Pine Tar Kush flowers slower outdoors compared to DC or PTK. PTK harvest is expected for mid October.
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Heya Dubi,
Those DC's look pretty frosty for so early on. I hope you find enough value in it to continue working with her.
I usually get seeds up in 3-5 days @ 85f, & have seen them up in 2 days. The more recent seeds were old though, especially to the breeders in an attempt to give them a less bred more variable look at it.
It's not really slow you know, only putting energy where we might not want to see it. Look at the biomass. I could cut those leaves & stems up into pieces & distribute them into a much larger plant with "normal measurements". Regarding grams of the highest quality hash per square foot, I think the plant has the ability to be competitive.
& another thing! I've really not had significant problems due to mold, +/-2% has been my average losses even in the greenhouse, acceptable imo considering the structure, but I think I use much more calcium in my regimen than most as well. I consistently loose the same amount to mold with Pure Haze, & twice as much last year outdoors with Trainwreck.
Recently my county has seen fit to allow us to increase our numbers & I intend to grow a field of the old ghani next year. I can't wait, & I bet she'll do a 3-5 lb average in the big containers.
Here's a couple of PTK's (Pine Tar Kush) of Pakistani origins going 2 lbs + in 45 gallon pots. I've always felt that they had Indian sap running in their veins & that this was obvious due to the geography of the region & the structure of the plants, but I promise not to start labeling them so
Those DC's look pretty frosty for so early on. I hope you find enough value in it to continue working with her.
I usually get seeds up in 3-5 days @ 85f, & have seen them up in 2 days. The more recent seeds were old though, especially to the breeders in an attempt to give them a less bred more variable look at it.
It's not really slow you know, only putting energy where we might not want to see it. Look at the biomass. I could cut those leaves & stems up into pieces & distribute them into a much larger plant with "normal measurements". Regarding grams of the highest quality hash per square foot, I think the plant has the ability to be competitive.
& another thing!
I've really not had significant problems due to mold, +/-2% has been my average losses even in the greenhouse, acceptable imo considering the structure, but I think I use much more calcium in my regimen than most as well. I consistently loose the same amount to mold with Pure Haze, & twice as much last year outdoors with Trainwreck. Recently my county has seen fit to allow us to increase our numbers & I intend to grow a field of the old ghani next year. I can't wait, & I bet she'll do a 3-5 lb average in the big containers.
Here's a couple of PTK's (Pine Tar Kush) of Pakistani origins going 2 lbs + in 45 gallon pots. I've always felt that they had Indian sap running in their veins & that this was obvious due to the geography of the region & the structure of the plants, but I promise not to start labeling them so
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So extra calcium helps with mold? I assume we're talking about bud rot like botrytis. You're stuff looks great as always but there's something I just don't get. Why don't you train those plants? I mean pull that thing sideways earlier on and you expand the canopy area for free basically. I lived with a rasta up in the Sierra foothills for awhile and was amazed how much extra he picked up with aggressive training. Just wondering. That last pic is awesome...I mean the plant so don't get me wrong here. The stuff Butte does in regards to training is a little more like what I'm used to.
EDIT...I looked at the pics again and I think those girls are fuc.king awesome. 3-5 lbs? I've seen some of those biggins like that and my jaw dropped.
Thanx...
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Hi Mountain, Howzit,
Yes, Calcium is crucial & underrated/used on so many other levels but is particularly crucial in preventing fungus attack. (the usual disclaimer, lol) I'm without my reference books currently but it goes something like - Calcium builds robust pectin levels in the cells of the plant leaving it much more resistant to attack from fungus. Spores dry out & die before the enzyme (polygalacturonase) utilized by many molds can penetrate the plants defensive systems & allow the fungus to gain a foothold. Simply put, the plant high in calcium is much less susceptible to attack from fungus (The preceding was loosely translated -I believe- by feeble memory of "Hemp diseases & pests", buy it, read it, know it well, & add something about the cursed cucumber beetle if you can). Of course once insect attack sets in, all bets are off & fungus will exploit these weaknesses/wounds if they are present.
I'm still with RC Clarke in that the largest plants out of doors come from zero training. The plant grows tall, becomes top heavy, blows in the wind, increases its stalk/rootmass, & take it from there.
Yes, Calcium is crucial & underrated/used on so many other levels but is particularly crucial in preventing fungus attack. (the usual disclaimer, lol) I'm without my reference books currently but it goes something like - Calcium builds robust pectin levels in the cells of the plant leaving it much more resistant to attack from fungus. Spores dry out & die before the enzyme (polygalacturonase) utilized by many molds can penetrate the plants defensive systems & allow the fungus to gain a foothold. Simply put, the plant high in calcium is much less susceptible to attack from fungus (The preceding was loosely translated -I believe- by feeble memory of "Hemp diseases & pests", buy it, read it, know it well, & add something about the cursed cucumber beetle if you can). Of course once insect attack sets in, all bets are off & fungus will exploit these weaknesses/wounds if they are present.
I'm still with RC Clarke in that the largest plants out of doors come from zero training. The plant grows tall, becomes top heavy, blows in the wind, increases its stalk/rootmass, & take it from there.
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Good day Tom,
Thanks, I'm very happy to enjoy your genetics this season. I hope my DCs finish half good as the pics you posted
As we all know, it's impossible to find a perfectly equilibrated inbred line, especially when working with landraces. Each landrace has its own positive and bad traits. It's the job of the breeder to combine positive traits from his/her different inbred lines and try to avoid bad traits in the hybrids.
Deep Chunk has some very interesting positive traits like early flowering, extreme resin production, flower density, good aromas and high quality finished product. Negative traits would be low vegging vigour, low flower/leaf ratio and low mold/pest resistance.
I'm growing DCs and your other indicas in a coastal humid climate, around 80% moisture constantly, temps between 20ºC-35ºC. Must be similar conditions to California.
Same DC clone is also growing in a dryer colder climate in the Central montains of the country, producing lot of mold in this drier conditions too.
DCs were the main plants attacked by summer worms in the garden even while vegging, before start of flowering. Huge DC leaves were their favourite food before worms could find flowers to hide.
I found DC very sensible against spider mites compared with other strains. Spiders dont like her resinous flowers but they love huge rich DC leaves.
I think Deep Chunk is a top indica for breeders but in pure form wont be best option for many growers. Flowering DC indoors close the fan or in a very dry outdoor conditions would be perfect for her. But growers i know are having problems growing her in wet (cold or hot) climates.
You are right. DC produces equally or more biomass than other indicas at the same time. She focuses her energy to produce lot of big leaves, the problem comes in the flowering, high quantity of big leaves doesnt allow correct aireation and light penetration, grower must manually quit many leaf so flowers can fatten up in a healthier way. It's a natural trait to absorve all possible ambiental moisture under the extremely dried afghani climate but it's a disadvantage for growers in wet climates.
I'm very curious to hear more about X18 and PTK pakis. Do you know their zone of origin? How many generations have been worked out of Pakistan?
raco's x18 clone is flowering very fast, finishing her around late September. X18 leaf is quite small compared with PTK and DC leaf.
X18 Flowers are very tight, resinous, with a sweet pleasant aroma. PTK from seed are flowering slower, they are close to mid flowering right now. There are some differences in vigour and flower/leaf ratio between PTK females but they all share commoun appearance and similar flower formation.
Thanks, I'm very happy to enjoy your genetics this season. I hope my DCs finish half good as the pics you posted
As we all know, it's impossible to find a perfectly equilibrated inbred line, especially when working with landraces. Each landrace has its own positive and bad traits. It's the job of the breeder to combine positive traits from his/her different inbred lines and try to avoid bad traits in the hybrids.
Deep Chunk has some very interesting positive traits like early flowering, extreme resin production, flower density, good aromas and high quality finished product. Negative traits would be low vegging vigour, low flower/leaf ratio and low mold/pest resistance.
I'm growing DCs and your other indicas in a coastal humid climate, around 80% moisture constantly, temps between 20ºC-35ºC. Must be similar conditions to California.
Same DC clone is also growing in a dryer colder climate in the Central montains of the country, producing lot of mold in this drier conditions too.
DCs were the main plants attacked by summer worms in the garden even while vegging, before start of flowering. Huge DC leaves were their favourite food before worms could find flowers to hide.
I found DC very sensible against spider mites compared with other strains. Spiders dont like her resinous flowers but they love huge rich DC leaves.
I think Deep Chunk is a top indica for breeders but in pure form wont be best option for many growers. Flowering DC indoors close the fan or in a very dry outdoor conditions would be perfect for her. But growers i know are having problems growing her in wet (cold or hot) climates.
You are right. DC produces equally or more biomass than other indicas at the same time. She focuses her energy to produce lot of big leaves, the problem comes in the flowering, high quantity of big leaves doesnt allow correct aireation and light penetration, grower must manually quit many leaf so flowers can fatten up in a healthier way. It's a natural trait to absorve all possible ambiental moisture under the extremely dried afghani climate but it's a disadvantage for growers in wet climates.
I'm very curious to hear more about X18 and PTK pakis. Do you know their zone of origin? How many generations have been worked out of Pakistan?
raco's x18 clone is flowering very fast, finishing her around late September. X18 leaf is quite small compared with PTK and DC leaf.
X18 Flowers are very tight, resinous, with a sweet pleasant aroma. PTK from seed are flowering slower, they are close to mid flowering right now. There are some differences in vigour and flower/leaf ratio between PTK females but they all share commoun appearance and similar flower formation.
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I know this is a Kush thread but gotta follow up. I know there's a few schools of thought regarding training pro and con. I was curious upon seeing the recent pics of yours grown straight up like that and have never seen you stake any plants. I hear ya on those points. Only question to help understand better is are you saying the plant increases root mass because of the increase in biomass above due to the plants need to strengthen stems/branches due to things like weight and wind? I just look at the increase in total canopy area and the potential for increased production from it.
Not to brag who's got the biggest but largest plant I've seen yielded over 12 lbs in a green house fully trained and staked. That same strain that same season yielded about 20 lbs in a different location nearby with better supplemental lighting, as it ended up finishing around Christmas, and a bit more space. I did not see the second plant but no reason not to believe based on what I saw and heard. My buddy's info has always been spot on.
As for the calcium thing..thanx for the info. Do you ever use bacterial dominant teas sprayed on plants for the specific purpose of making sure there's a healthy microlife as sort of an immune system? I've heard some commercial bacterial strains have been collected and propagated from wild plant leaf surfaces.
I got an ORP meter on sale and will start playing with it.
Thanx again...
EDIT - I sent ya a PM as a follow up
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Hey Tom, when you say to use calcium, how much do you recommend?
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Hello fellow hindu kushites. Here is how sensi seeds hindu kush is looking at this stage. First pic is the most chunky female and just starting to produce good resin now. Its quite early in flower. The second pic is a group shot and you can see the plant on the bottom right is the more progressed and very resinous and will be ready before the others. All grown 12/12 from seed outdoor.Third pic is the resinous one pictured in the bottom right of the second pic.
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