These are all haze hybrids. It should be labeled as a hybrid. Any pure haze will not grow or look like a hybrid. Most of us can tell the difference. It's def possible to hold a Haze cup but people should know entering a hybrid is not the same...
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These are all haze hybrids. It should be labeled as a hybrid. Any pure haze will not grow or look like a hybrid. Most of us can tell the difference. It's def possible to hold a Haze cup but people should know entering a hybrid is not the same...
If your Pure Haze is that good it should have no problem beating a Haze hybrid ? , excuse after excuse.
a good pure Haze and extremely dominant Haze's have no problem beating indica dominant Haze hybrids but where are all your good Haze's ?
Then what you people are suggesting is an Original Haze only category, which is a joke.
Like i said if your O Haze is that good it will have no problem beating an indica dominant Haze hybrid.
Every Haze is a hybrid apart from Original Haze and again thats a hybrid of Sativa's.
I have many new strains from Nevil and all of them will smash any Indica dominant Haze hybrid, but yours cant ?.
a proper Sativa /Haze is like a mild psychedelic and worlds apart from Indica potency.
TheDarkStorm
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But guess what ojd....its already been said a number of times that the haze reproduced in holland some has had thai, keralan and maybe even mexican blood put into it.....theres even skunk blood in one of the lines going around as ohz....and another one that goes around as pure haze its maker says its a ohz hybrid but people continue to class it as pure haze....so unless someone still has a sample of haze from the early part of the 70's there is no point arguing. A couple of certain breeders did their best to preserve these lines the best way possible and we can be thankful of that.
it should be a open haze category. Whats the point of having just a pure haze category when there is only one pure original haze strain.....you enter that into a category called original haze and it wins because there is only one original haze strain now. Are we doing a competition to see who the best grower is all using one original haze strain or is this a fare open haze cup . Unless some still has the old different original haze strains still like brians haze, burning bush ect wich they dont. So no point just having a pure original haze category. Labeles are just that, how does one even authenticate that no outside blood has been added. A open haze category is the only fare thing to do, leave the rest to the judging system.
TheDarkStorm
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Hopefully some of us get to meet up and have a chat soon ojd.....I would be interested in knowing how to enter something into multiple cups all over the globe and looking into the criteria and how each one works. But definitely we could do with putting a sativa dom open haze category for the next icmag cup event.
JohnnyChicago
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Great post Dark.
More important would be to have a pure Haze jury, who will judge the haziness of the Hazes, no matter if they are pure or 25% Haze.
Jury should get voted first
There is no pedestal at all but seriously all i hear is excuse after excuse from the haters in these Haze threads and nothing else.
I expect all your loud and proud Haze lovers/experts to enter and honestly this isn't about winning this about sampling some of the worlds best Haze's grown by some of the world's best Haze experts, and if all i hear is excuses why people cant get a zip together for 1 of the most legit cups in the world im going to never let this go.
Also none of this is directed at you or any 1 person but you get alot of talk in these Haze threads these days so lets see some action and sample some of these special Haze's if they are all that !
What 1 person thinks is all that special the other 9 might not , and thats when we can see from scores etc , Highs, smells , taste which really is some of the best in the world.
Shipping weed to enter a cup in another country to boost one's ego no thanks. Speaking from experience losing 2 of the 3 shipping attempts ill pass on trying it again. The best I could do is try and send some packs of seeds for you people to grow and sample what they produce. IMO our seeds are a much better example of what people would find than hand picked flowers of the best phenos found out of who knows how many until it was found. As I said there all Haze hybrids leaving out that info is disingenuous IMO.
seems ironic that you say ohaze isnt very good and not good enough to have any fame,
but anything not 70% or haze dominant should be taken out of the comp ,
so which is it ?? hahahaha
obviously there is some good stuff to be found in pure haze or this discussion wouldnt be going on ...
btw , how many of these hybrids would fit the 70% pure bill ?? sounds like it will be a lonely contest to me ...
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
The 70% and up would cover Ohaze /Tom Hills Haze / Nevil's Haze and lots of haze work that people have done
TheDarkStorm
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I would be happy with 50% and above...as long as its haze and sativa dom....people can judge for themselves from there onwards.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Haze growers have been the 1% of the cannabis community for decades and to be honest like it or not we were the un loved step children of the community lol.
Only in the last few years have i seen a increase in interest in more sat and sat heavy growing by growers that normally wanted practical plants the people growing them before that most were older growers who grew up smoking the old sativas and were willing to grow out 20 week flowering plants to find highs they mist.
Having a Haze cup would be a great thing.
Only in the last few years have i seen a increase in interest in more sat and sat heavy growing by growers that normally wanted practical plants the people growing them before that most were older growers who grew up smoking the old sativas and were willing to grow out 20 week flowering plants to find highs they mist.
Having a Haze cup would be a great thing.
yes im sure im happy with that too ,
but for a competition, its best hybrids are separate from pure sativas ,
they produce quite different highs imho ,
its possible two sets of judges would be needed too ....
no point cutting it off at a % really ,
pure , or not pure...
So an excuse why you cant enter ? No stroking ego , this is for Haze Connoisseur's to be able sample some of the supposed best Haze's in the world ? , why you in this Haze thread if you dont love Haze ?.
We want to taste your weed first before we grow it as you might think its a great variety but others might not, also your hybrids seems heavy on the indica side so would be best suited in hybrid section.
I said in my previous post that all Haze is a hybrid ( which you seemed to of missed)
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Dont try twist my words there because that is not what i said donald White.
Original Haze has been available for 30 years and maybe a Million seeds made and sold to many many companies and it didn't make an impact like some of the other famous Haze's Nevil made, i did like Original Haze but found the Haze dominant hybrids much better.
Nevil made Haze famous which is true , and you of all people should know that making X's of strains already available ( Nevil Mango Mr nice seeds ).
Also again twisting my words Donald, i didn't say taken out of the cup i said if less than 70% Haze leaning to be put in the hybrid cup not taken out of the cup altogether, but let me guess you cant/won't enter either lol
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Id prefer a Haze category to be real Haze leaners like 70% as 50% is to heavy on the indica side to me even if leaning on sativa side and i suggest that for Sativa category.
To make another category of Haze we really need heavy Haze dominant samples otherwise we might as well just add them to the already existing Sativa category and not create extra work making a Haze category.
Anyone who enters a Haze dominant strain into the icmag 420 cup i will send 5 seed packs of your choice as a thank you( from over 100 strains available).
Anyone who places 1,2,3 in the Haze category can pick any 20 packs of seeds as a prize.
If your entry doesnt arrive or make it in the cup the offer is void.
Anyone who places 1,2,3 in the Haze category can pick any 20 packs of seeds as a prize.
If your entry doesnt arrive or make it in the cup the offer is void.
Dont try twist my words there because that is not what i said donald White.
Original Haze has been available for 30 years and maybe a Million seeds made and sold to many many companies and it didn't make an impact like some of the other famous Haze's Nevil made, i did like Original Haze but found the Haze dominant hybrids much better.
Nevil made Haze famous which is true , and you of all people should know that making X's of strains already available ( Nevil Mango Mr nice seeds ).
Also again twisting my words Donald, i didn't say taken out of the cup i said if less than 70% Haze leaning to be put in the hybrid cup not taken out of the cup altogether, but let me guess you cant/won't enter either lol
hehe ,
looks like im keeping you on your toes a little today anyhow ojd ,
no harm there i dont think ,
i agree with what you have said though,
hybrids nevil made are moreover the way many of us were introduced to haze ,
it is likely what started our interest in it for sure ,
i definitely agree its good stuff man ,
though i dont enjoy nh near like i enjoy mango haze ,
but as u said both came from nevils dabblings with the seed he got from sam and he hybridized ...
\we certainly agree then that hybrids and pure sativa shouldnt be in the same category,
it just stands to reason really ,
and yes i would enter if i had any worthy samples at the time ,
for sure man , i would get a big kick out of sharing my pot with you guys to try ,
even without competition , just for fun ,
thats always been a part of weed growing i enjoyed , the sharing ...
heres a little sample of some from seed i made with c5 and mango haze ,
grown at a mates place ,ignore the leaf damage though , he isnt much of a careful gardener and rarely has a perfect grow,
but some of the product comes out ok ..
CannaT
starin' at the world through my rearview
1. Nevile didnt make Haze famous he made Haze hybrids famous.
2. Why atack on me if you grow Pure haze and haze hybrd you will know that in one hand they are similar in other hand very different.
Any Nevile haze which cirulates areound and 5hazes,bandaid,cuban black....have strucutre of NLxhaze, o haze have yild 3x-5x less than those famous cuts all of them produce buds like 2L coke bottle If you grow and i have grow many O hazes they have buds like calyx it is unselable for its look but high is something special.
So thats why many grow haze hybrids 20-30% indica in same flower time you have much more of yild with added stony high.
And high without any heavy feeling at all no Indica(BLD) influence.
Also why Amnesia cant be in this category and Nevile Haze can be....
NLxhaze is haze hybrid and it is O. Haze just as is it NL.
We can also make indica category and put there phenos of Jack,SSH,Nevile which are Indica dominat aren't we ???
All in all you say that Haze is bad but you only consider great plant in Haze hybrid which are at least 70% haze...
So in conclusion you dont like pure haze you like haze hybrid with 20-30% of indica/skunk efect.
And tds original haze is strain with many phenotipes if you grow ever any cannabis you will know there are many differences in any strain.
What is problem with pure NLD O haze contest there are at least 5-6 phenos...
From lemony,rootbear,incense.... why we shouldnt chose between best phenos and say which to us represent O haze the best ?????
TDS cannabis isnt cuncuber and tomato so strain is all the same.
But one time in your life when you stop live in interent world and start growing you will learn lots good things about these plants.
You are the one who talk 2500+ posts about old cuts and
it turned out that you actually have no idea what a5 is and what c5 is,only from forums and someone other descritpions.
No haze but boys you are sometimes funny.
I actually question myself did OJD,Hempy and TDS ever grown O.Haze ???
Proving something without expireince is theory and almost every theory dosent fit reality.
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2. Why atack on me if you grow Pure haze and haze hybrd you will know that in one hand they are similar in other hand very different.
Any Nevile haze which cirulates areound and 5hazes,bandaid,cuban black....have strucutre of NLxhaze, o haze have yild 3x-5x less than those famous cuts all of them produce buds like 2L coke bottle If you grow and i have grow many O hazes they have buds like calyx it is unselable for its look but high is something special.
So thats why many grow haze hybrids 20-30% indica in same flower time you have much more of yild with added stony high.
And high without any heavy feeling at all no Indica(BLD) influence.
Also why Amnesia cant be in this category and Nevile Haze can be....
NLxhaze is haze hybrid and it is O. Haze just as is it NL.
We can also make indica category and put there phenos of Jack,SSH,Nevile which are Indica dominat aren't we ???
All in all you say that Haze is bad but you only consider great plant in Haze hybrid which are at least 70% haze...
So in conclusion you dont like pure haze you like haze hybrid with 20-30% of indica/skunk efect.
And tds original haze is strain with many phenotipes if you grow ever any cannabis you will know there are many differences in any strain.
What is problem with pure NLD O haze contest there are at least 5-6 phenos...
From lemony,rootbear,incense.... why we shouldnt chose between best phenos and say which to us represent O haze the best ?????
TDS cannabis isnt cuncuber and tomato so strain is all the same.
But one time in your life when you stop live in interent world and start growing you will learn lots good things about these plants.
You are the one who talk 2500+ posts about old cuts and
it turned out that you actually have no idea what a5 is and what c5 is,only from forums and someone other descritpions.
No haze but boys you are sometimes funny.
I actually question myself did OJD,Hempy and TDS ever grown O.Haze ???
Proving something without expireince is theory and almost every theory dosent fit reality.
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