The Haze discussion thread

[CannaT]

Haze is a late Sativa from America, widely agreed by experts to be the best pot in the world. Very popular in the 70's, it nearly became extinct in recent years as growers switched to easier varieties.

We managed to salvage e few viable seeds from the last crop grown In America, and we have used them to produce some remarkable hybrids. Haze is known for an extreme, almost psychedelic spaciness. The fragrance is complex and deep, with a dry flowery perfume over a base of dark, leathery animal tones. When used in a hybrid, it adds fascinating notes of depth and complexity to the taste, as well as a unique addition to the high. While not tor everyone, the most jaded connoisseur will often find Haze irresistible. Haze hybrids are also good for winter crops outdoors, where the long flowering period helps to produce larger yields, good for Southern California, Florida, Hawaii.

Haze x Northern Lights has been the most reliable Haze hybrid so far, and is our favourite smoke. It is a bit stretchy and difficult to grow, but well worth it. Wonderful sweetness, body, and complexity, with a soaring high.

The seed bank(Nevile) about 5haze.

So we can conclude OJD that Your Hazes are Haze hybrids and best you like in those hybrids comes from O.Haze. :* :*

 

[ojd]

Haze is a late Sativa from America, widely agreed by experts to be the best pot in the world. Very popular in the 70's, it nearly became extinct in recent years as growers switched to easier varieties.

We managed to salvage e few viable seeds from the last crop grown In America, and we have used them to produce some remarkable hybrids. Haze is known for an extreme, almost psychedelic spaciness. The fragrance is complex and deep, with a dry flowery perfume over a base of dark, leathery animal tones. When used in a hybrid, it adds fascinating notes of depth and complexity to the taste, as well as a unique addition to the high. While not tor everyone, the most jaded connoisseur will often find Haze irresistible. Haze hybrids are also good for winter crops outdoors, where the long flowering period helps to produce larger yields, good for Southern California, Florida, Hawaii.

Haze x Northern Lights has been the most reliable Haze hybrid so far, and is our favourite smoke. It is a bit stretchy and difficult to grow, but well worth it. Wonderful sweetness, body, and complexity, with a soaring high.

The seed bank(Nevile) about 5haze.

So we can conclude OJD that Your Hazes are Haze hybrids and best you like in those hybrids comes from O.Haze. :* :*

Go back and do some reading , i stated already that ive grown Original Haze from 2000 from flying dutchman , for several years , made F2's grew them out , made hybrids grew them out etc etc , then moved on to Nevil's genetics.
i select phenos for heavy Haze leaners not the Indica leaners.
im all about the Haze and Sativa's and if you followed or knew anything about my work you would know that.
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Original Haze is special but Haze hybrids are better and Nevil did make Haze famous as Haze is/used to be in every coffeshop in Holland, but not Original Haze, but all of the Haze hybrids. You won't even find Original Haze on menus at all ? , why is that.
people grow 16 week Haze's in Holland but they cant grow Original Haze , why ?
Because demand is not wanted , they would grow Nevil Haze 14 weeks and quaze ( Nevil pheno) 16 weeks with tiny buds , tiny but they wont grow Original Haze ?.

If demand was there they would grow it.

The difference is this , Nevil made some world changing genetics and spread the cuts around and worked them for 20 years before he left holland in 2000's and Haze died then and only lower quality Haze's were left in Amsterdam.

Sam made Haze seeds when he arrived in Holland but there was no famous Original Haze clone but seeds were selected and worked with or passed around the Community , also the reworked (F2's)Original Haze was not of the quality of the seeds nevil bought from Sam and and ever new batch F2,F3 for more hempy as it went down the line.

Has anyone seen any pics of a 30 year old O Haze Female or special Male to make the the Original Haze seeds ? , no its an open pollination of the previous seeds and every run gets worse and worse.
There was no Famous Original Haze clone in Holland only the Millions of seeds sam made in his greenhouse , Millions of seeds and where is the best Original Haze selected from these Millions of seeds ?
Nevil produced easily 20 of the world's best Haze's from way less than Sam did with his Millions of Original Haze seeds and where are the famous sections ?
i know the tom hill and a bunch of other reproductions and to be honest they seem far better than the flying dutchmen seeds even from 20 years back but i still stand by the Haze dominant hybrids are far better than any Original Haze.

Also i have Nevil's last creations and they are very Sativa dominant, and again every strain ive run are far better than any Original Haze i ever smoked and i been going Amsterdam for 20 plus years and chasing strains for longer , i used to go have smoke ups with Cannabis college in Amsterdam that was owned by flying dutchmen seeds and never have i seen a Original Haze as good as the best Haze's ive seen and sampled.

The best Haze ive ever seen releated to Original Haze was the Titans Haze flying dutchmen seeds( hansfe cut) prcualy made by Sam as is OriginalHaze x Sk1 or lineage other way around and that was a special Haze , 10 times better than any OHaze but only on a level with some of my Haze's or Nevil's hybrids.

 

[CannaT]

Hi,OJD I also prefere Haze hybrid over pure Haze which is Haze dominat I havent smoke stil something better than good selection of Jack Herer.

But my point is that why we should make Haze cup while already every year there are many cups that enters haze hybrids in haze category.

If you grow them both oh and indicas you know what comes from Haze what comes from Sk and afghans in high smell and taste.

And you and me will confirm that that deep magic in high comes from Haze side.

Why we shouldn have pure O. Haze cup cuz there are lots of phenos in those seeeds and lots of selection made by breeders.

I want to try as much as possible O. Hazes to know everithing about fater and mother of famous haze hybrids.

What is bad in these ?

I dont get it.

 

[@hempy]

A key point about the Haze genetics Nevil worked with are the seed and going by the labeled bags Nevil talked about they were labeled late 60s now as Nevil bought the seed when Sam first arrived in Holland they were not made in Holland and out of 1000s of seed Nevil got from Sam Nevil only managed to germinate 7 or 8 that tells me the seed were very old.

That would mean the Haze Nevil worked with was some of if not the oldest and closest to the original Haze F1s if not the Haze F1 seed them self's.

People dont like this fact and all the others worked with seed made by Sam in Holland.

Here are 2 true 50% Haze that were vegged for 4 weeks and then placed into flower 12/12 they were ruffly 2 ft when put into flower now these plants start to show sex at week 4 to 5 normally now look at the size and there not showing sex yet.

Even a 50% hybrid can act like a pure sativa time for a little truth you cant tell me they dont look like a pure sativa.

 

[CannaT]

A key point about the Haze genetics Nevil worked with are the seed and going by the labeled bags Nevil talked about they were labeled late 60s now as Nevil bought the seed when Sam first arrived in Holland they were not made in Holland and out of 1000s of seed Nevil got from Sam Nevil only managed to germinate 7 or 8 that tells me the seed were very old.

That would mean the Haze Nevil worked with was some of if not the oldest and closest to the original Haze F1s if not the Haze F1 seed them self's.

People dont like this fact and all the others worked with seed made by Sam in Holland.

Here are 2 true 50% Haze that were vegged for 4 weeks and then placed into flower 12/12 they were ruffly 2 ft when put into flower now these plants start to show sex at week 4 to 5 normally now look at the size and there not showing sex yet.

Even a 50% hybrid can act like a pure sativa time for a little truth you cant tell me they dont look like a pure sativa.

This is Neville haze and Shanti and Nevile say : A tribute to the father of all modern seed companies, Neville Schoenmakers. There is something very special about this 3/4 sativa

yes it look like sativa and maybe few phenos were almost look like sativa but there are also 1/4 phenos that will look like NL indica.

but you just don't want to accept it.

 

[ojd]

A key point about the Haze genetics Nevil worked with are the seed and going by the labeled bags Nevil talked about they were labeled late 60s now as Nevil bought the seed when Sam first arrived in Holland they were not made in Holland and out of 1000s of seed Nevil got from Sam Nevil only managed to germinate 7 or 8 that tells me the seed were very old.

That would mean the Haze Nevil worked with was some of if not the oldest and closest to the original Haze F1s if not the Haze F1 seed them self's.

People dont like this fact and all the others worked with seed made by Sam in Holland.

Here are 2 true 50% Haze that were vegged for 4 weeks and then placed into flower 12/12 they were ruffly 2 ft when put into flower now these plants start to show sex at week 4 to 5 normally now look at the size and there not showing sex yet.

Even a 50% hybrid can act like a pure sativa time for a little truth you cant tell me they dont look like a pure sativa.

Exactly my point , alot of the Haze's we work with are extremely Haze dominant and hardly even notice any Indica traces , like hempy said vegged for 4 weeks and put into flower and still 4 plus weeks to show sex so how much Indica do you think shows in these hybrids ? , 5% max.

So really my main question is if Original Haze is so special, it should have no problem competing with other Haze dominant hybrids.

Also there are not enough quality Original Haze's to make a separate category for. Can anyone show me his keeper Original Haze clone , not a seed they have run once or twice a selection they have kept for several years ?

 

[ojd]

This is Neville haze and Shanti and Nevile say : A tribute to the father of all modern seed companies, Neville Schoenmakers. There is something very special about this 3/4 sativa

yes it look like sativa and maybe few phenos were almost look like sativa but there are also 1/4 phenos that will look like NL indica.

but you just don't want to accept it.

Where ?
find me a heavy indica dominant Nevil Haze( Northern lights)pic anywhere in the world ( but from Original Nevil Haze Greenhouse selection)
any new Nevil Haze seeds are not the same seeds Nevil made )

 

[CannaT]

this is a fight with windmills,im out.

Breeding is simply math and math dont lie.

OK,here it is picture of 70 day fl Neville's Haze at end before chop.

Pepper - mango-carrots.

I opened my thread for smoke reports to share my expirience and knowladge im out of this thread who has original clones,whos dick is bigger whos daddy is stronger....lmfao grow up boyzzz :* and love to everyone.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Where ?
find me a heavy indica dominant Nevil Haze( Northern lights)pic anywhere in the world ( but from Original Nevil Haze Greenhouse selection)
any new Nevil Haze seeds are not the same seeds Nevil made )

ask hempy and darkie to show pictures of nevils haze grown by he and kanga in australia ,
they look very much like hybrids , not like pure sativas ,
quite good size colas , fairly fat , definitely not sparse airy sativa flowers by any means ,
and they are from seed nevil made also ,
i wonder if they just selected for that type and threw the others ,
of if they had selected for more indica they would have found some ??

i know from the seed i got from shanti back in 2011 that one of the nevils ripened when all the others continued to grow and veg ,
so there is the occasional earlier type to be found ...

according to hempy shantis seeds are the same as nevils , made by using the same parents ...

 

[Donald Mallard]

A key point about the Haze genetics Nevil worked with are the seed and going by the labeled bags Nevil talked about they were labeled late 60s now as Nevil bought the seed when Sam first arrived in Holland they were not made in Holland and out of 1000s of seed Nevil got from Sam Nevil only managed to germinate 7 or 8 that tells me the seed were very old.

That would mean the Haze Nevil worked with was some of if not the oldest and closest to the original Haze F1s if not the Haze F1 seed them self's.

People dont like this fact and all the others worked with seed made by Sam in Holland.

Here are 2 true 50% Haze that were vegged for 4 weeks and then placed into flower 12/12 they were ruffly 2 ft when put into flower now these plants start to show sex at week 4 to 5 normally now look at the size and there not showing sex yet.

Even a 50% hybrid can act like a pure sativa time for a little truth you cant tell me they dont look like a pure sativa.

you have read what sam says about those dates though right hempy ??
he disputes the seed was that old and says he never gave anything away that was made by the haze brothers ,
and that maybe the label was wrong , or it was misread , either way the date was not right ,

so something is up there ...

also as stated by sam haze was heavily inbred ,
so f1 was likely well before sam even started ,
which makes it fairly unlikely he gave those to nevil ...
if he had those he would probably want to keep them to himself ,
and at that stage they would obviously not be inbred at all ...

 

[JKD]

These last couple of pages have me thinking about how Shanti has been describing his newer releases (my opinion) and how others might look at hybrids.

Where (in my opinion) it seems Shanti might be inclined to call something 75% haze that is statistically for example only 50% haze but expresses as much more sativa than that.

A lot of this niggle seems to relate to that sort of difference in how people look at these strains - purely by how they express vs their actual exact statistical genetic make up.

I don’t know. These threads are always fraught with drama & clashes of opinion. We get too busy arguing about the subtleties and forget we’re here because all of us love the weed.

 

[@hempy]

you have read what sam says about those dates though right hempy ??
he disputes the seed was that old and says he never gave anything away that was made by the haze brothers ,
and that maybe the label was wrong , or it was misread , either way the date was not right ,

so something is up there ...

also as stated by sam haze was heavily inbred ,
so f1 was likely well before sam even started ,
which makes it fairly unlikely he gave those to nevil ...
if he had those he would probably want to keep them to himself ,
and at that stage they would obviously not be inbred at all ...

I have read Sam's side of the story and i have heard Nevil's side of the story from Nevil many times over the years we spoke and his story never changed.

Nevil got his seed when Sam arrived in Holland out of 1000s of seed 7 or 8 haze seed germinated only that can only be due to the seed being very old.

Nevil had dates on the seed he bought from Sam and Sam put the dates on them not Nevil.

 

[CannaT]

I have read Sam's side of the story and i have heard Nevil's side of the story from Nevil many times over the years we spoke and his story never changed.

Nevil got his seed when Sam arrived in Holland out of 1000s of seed 7 or 8 haze seed germinated only that can only be due to the seed being very old.

Nevil had dates on the seed he bought from Sam and Sam put the dates on them not Nevil.

Nevile at begining of 80s had 23 years old i bet he didnt know all about growing cannabis so probably it can be beginner mistake.

 

[star crash]

Anyone who enters a Haze dominant strain into the icmag 420 cup i will send 5 seed packs of your choice as a thank you( from over 100 strains available).

Anyone who places 1,2,3 in the Haze category can pick any 20 packs of seeds as a prize.

If your entry doesnt arrive or make it in the cup the offer is void.

Let me know if it happens …I will send you some samples

 

[star crash]

One thing I don’t understand completely is all the hatred in this thread… it really mucks things up

 

[SativaScience]

I have read Sam's side of the story and i have heard Nevil's side of the story from Nevil many times over the years we spoke and his story never changed.

Nevil got his seed when Sam arrived in Holland out of 1000s of seed 7 or 8 haze seed germinated only that can only be due to the seed being very old.

Nevil had dates on the seed he bought from Sam and Sam put the dates on them not Nevil.

Nevils story never changed? Who wrote the seedbank catalog descriptions? When Haze hybrids were put in the catalog the description clearly says the haze Nevil got came from the last crop grown in America, not the first. That was written before there was any beef with Sam, before Nevil was the king of cannabis when he was just a seed seller giving his customers an honest account of what they were buying. I also remember about a 10 year period where you and others went to every forum and relayed the story over and over and over that Nevil got his haze from the haze brothers. That was posted as FACT, remember? Now who was it that told you that story Hempy? You used to say you were getting your info straight from the source, so who told you those lies you repeated if not Nevil?
When Nevil was telling his story he said that burning bush was an ancestor to the haze seed he got. Burning bush was named by Sam, in 76. So how is burning bush an ancestor to 69 haze seed? The story makes no sense.

 

[Hammerhead]

So an excuse why you cant enter ? No stroking ego , this is for Haze Connoisseur's to be able sample some of the supposed best Haze's in the world ? , why you in this Haze thread if you dont love Haze ?.

We want to taste your weed first before we grow it as you might think its a great variety but others might not, also your hybrids seems heavy on the indica side so would be best suited in hybrid section.

I said in my previous post that all Haze is a hybrid ( which you seemed to of missed)

If you want to call me being paranoid about shipping weed to another country an excuse sure ill go with that lol.. It is interesting you would blow off judging the quality of our seeds. I don't post in here because of any contest lol. All I see in your responses is the start of more drama in the haze thread. You do you bro. If stroking that ego is your thing have fun doing it. Judging someone haze flowers out of what a hundred or is it a thousand seeds is a poor choice IMO?. I'll continue to judge flower quality from 1-2 packs of 10 seeds. I guess we don't judge quality the same way. The more plants peopel have to grow before anything is found isn't good. I sure as hell don't work with haze to enter contests. I love all cannabis, not just haze. Like always Ill let my work speak for me. I've never claimed to have the best of anything. Anyone making that claim is pretty funny. Cannabis affects us all differently. What I like others might hate. IMO any contest would be for amusement only. It proves nothing. I'll jsut agree to disagree on your approach to finding quality haze plants.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

yes im sure im happy with that too ,
but for a competition, its best hybrids are separate from pure sativas ,
they produce quite different highs imho ,
its possible two sets of judges would be needed too ....
no point cutting it off at a % really ,
pure , or not pure...

So for example...what you think of a 50%haze x sativa..... the only reason I say there should be a cut off at 50% is due to the fact that haze used to dominate what ever it was put to...so it was pretty easy to find 20 week plus near all sativa plants in something thats supposed to be 50%haze....and they would perform to the point they wouldn't really flower properly under 12/12...just continued pistol growth and new leaves and branches growing....just reveging type growth and on and on new flowering...huge indernodal spacing.....so im sure plants like that can go up against any sativa and have done in the past before.....anyway when you start looking at labels who is to say what something labeled as is actually what it is.....Anyway 50% haze is fare at least the plant can be sativa/haze dom....the rest should be left upto the people to judge....people know the difference between falling asleep and being high.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Nevils story never changed? Who wrote the seedbank catalog descriptions? When Haze hybrids were put in the catalog the description clearly says the haze Nevil got came from the last crop grown in America, not the first. That was written before there was any beef with Sam, before Nevil was the king of cannabis when he was just a seed seller giving his customers an honest account of what they were buying. I also remember about a 10 year period where you and others went to every forum and relayed the story over and over and over that Nevil got his haze from the haze brothers. That was posted as FACT, remember? Now who was it that told you that story Hempy? You used to say you were getting your info straight from the source, so who told you those lies you repeated if not Nevil?
When Nevil was telling his story he said that burning bush was an ancestor to the haze seed he got. Burning bush was named by Sam, in 76. So how is burning bush an ancestor to 69 haze seed? The story makes no sense.

I agree ,
the big problem for me is a person who gives/sells/trades something to someone ,
would likely know more about what they had than the recipient ,
here folks are believing what the recipient says something was over the giver/seller ,
little bit back to front really ,
labels can get mixed up , or misidentified ,
then its best to look back to the source for clarity ,
we have done that , but folks dont seem to believe what the source says ,
even though his story has never changed ....

good reference back to the claim about the haze brothers seeds ,
its not the first time these guys have spread misinformation ,
i dont think they can be seen as a reliable source as a result ,
they believe any old thing it seems as long as it comes from "their friend",
and then everyone else is wrong , and yet ... lol ...

 

[Donald Mallard]

So for example...what you think of a 50%haze x sativa..... the only reason I say there should be a cut off at 50% is due to the fact that haze used to dominate what ever it was put to...so it was pretty easy to find 20 week plus near all sativa plants in something thats supposed to be 50%haze....and they would perform to the point they wouldn't really flower properly under 12/12...just continued pistol growth and new leaves and branches growing....just reveging type growth and on and on new flowering...huge indernodal spacing.....so im sure plants like that can go up against any sativa and have done in the past before.....anyway when you start looking at labels who is to say what something labeled as is actually what it is.....Anyway 50% haze is fare at least the plant can be sativa/haze dom....the rest should be left upto the people to judge....people know the difference between falling asleep and being high.

hey; darkie,
yes im aware sometimes , with sativas crossed to indica, sativas can just swallow up the indica and seem like barely any change has occured ,
particularly in veg mode ,, come flower time some changes can be seen ,
i found one would have to cross to indica twice to see distinct changes in some of those wild sativas...

would have been cool if nevil had gone back and asked sam to explain the apparent labeling rather than making guesses at what they meant,
then things would have been cleared up and we wouldnt have this back and forth crap that gets a little tiresome,
since sam was the holder , and likely maker of the seed ,
i think its safest for us to believe his story over nevils who was just guessing obviously ....