Testing the Bio2 CO2 producing bucket

[CoCoSativas]

Bro I'm not sure what your reality is over there, but you are the troll you speak of. I don't dig into you about it because of the schizophrenia, but there has to be a line somewhere we can draw. You've gotta be somewhat conscious of what you're doing, even if you have to have that conversation with your other half(s) and see some help about it... I promise it'll be worth it. It's something you can control with medication, and instead of feeding you what you want I think I can actually help you here...

DM me if you want any tips, my friend had the same thing and I can find out what worked for him medication-wise. He said it took him like 5 different ones to find the kind that worked, so you may have to do like a trial and error process to find out which works for you, because what works for him may not work for you...

Schizophrenia... I hope you are being serious and offering help, not messing with someone who may or may not have it.

Mikell, team microbe, I understand if you dont get along, but please remember not to take it too far, as I have spent alot of time on this thread, I dont want it closed, or deleted.

I dont know how much censorship they do around here but when I was a riu member, they were pretty heavy into censoring certain members more than others.

Theres lots of good growers that are there, which is too bad. That site is a circus. Trolls and butt nuts run the show over there

 

[CoCoSativas]

Last night beore bed. Heres the ppm.



This morning. The bio2 has burned out again. Its pretty impressive it blows that much ppm in a vented tent on its dying days of the mix.



Im sure I wont post number AS OFTEN as some may like, but please remember, I have a life and am volenteering my time for this thread. I will update as much as possible but sometime I forget or just dont get everything done in a day I want too.

I will do my best to keep pics of the moniter going up often.

The moniter is in one of the ventilation socks right now. It sits in there nicely.

My temps are good, as im blowing in cold air. Im very happy with the temperature this morning.

 

[Mikell]

Schizophrenia... I hope you are being serious and offering help, not messing with someone who may or may not have it.

Mikell, team microbe, I understand if you dont get along, but please remember not to take it too far, as I have spent alot of time on this thread, I dont want it closed, or deleted.

I dont know how much censorship they do around here but when I was a riu member, they were pretty heavy into censoring certain members more than others.

Theres lots of good growers that are there, which is too bad. That site is a circus. Trolls and butt nuts run the show over there

Apologies for muddling up your thread Coco, not sure why this is still going on. I wouldn't respond to his wild theories, it just exacerbates the problem.

You're doing fine on the updates, and have made it past that crucial phase of dealing with the monkies (of which I am one). It's a good thread and adds to the collective knowledge.

 

[CoCoSativas]

Thank you. All I want is to show everyone the product I am checking out works. The thing is a real bargin, and I couldnt be happier with it.

This will be a long thread folks. One of the kalis is very sativa dominant. Ill take it as long as it needs and that could take a while. I know some people have 100 day phenos. No problem, im pretty patient.

Hps is up and running. Will be keeping it without a reflector for a day or two until I decide what I want to do.

 

[CoCoSativas]

Changed the mix again today. Waited ntil lights on.

I always get a laugh when I change the mix. You pour out some blue shit that smells like what id imagine aliens brewing if they made space beer.

I decided what the hell, setup the parabolic in the tent. I took it off the cfl mogul and put it on the shorty cord mogul. My buddy was like "short enough?" I laughed. Its gavita better be safe than sorry.

The ac blowing in is working fairly well but it is ballooning the tent on the minimum fan setting. My ventilation cfm is not high enough to prevent the ballooning unfortunatly. I went for a small quiet fan setup for the ventilation.

 

[Team Microbe]

You want that negative pressure in order to keep odors contained I feel like... I had the same problem with my fan (it sounded like a fuckin jet was taking off in the other room) so I built a simple sound box to put it inside of. It literally cut down 75% of the vibration/noise. If you ever end up getting a bigger fan I recommend building one of these, I just found this stuff around the house and put it together one night for free. You can use egg crates if you don't have an old matress pad, or anything that would absorb sound waves fairly well.

Just be sure to hang it from a side that doesn't have the latch on it, so you don't have to screw it shut like I did here

 

[CoCoSativas]

Yeah I dont know if blowing air into the tent will work unless I figure out a way to keep it from ballooning the tent.

I do have a larger ventilation system in a box in my closet. Right now im runnin a can 33 with a 4" s&p fan.

In the closet is a 6" max fan and can 50. Way overkill for the room...

Im used to growing in whole rooms, not tents. This ks a wierd problem for me. Anyone?

Mmp, you got any ideas man?

 

[Team Microbe]

Do you have any pictures you could share of your set up? I run a passive ventilation, my fan sucks in air through the vents in the bottom of my tent and it creates a negative pressure in the room that keeps odors isolated. You can then take that air and blow it right out your window. Do you have any fresh air coming into your grow area? I just leave my grow room door open during the winter for the most part... in the summer I have to suck in cold air through the window ducting (at night) to keep it at the right VPD or it'll get too hot. Every location is different though, so that's why I asked for pics ^

 

[CoCoSativas]

The ac is sitting beside the tent blowing in through the vent. Its obviously blowing too much cfm, my little inline cant suck it out.



This is a stupid problem to have. I dont want to air cool my bulb but it may yet happen if I dont solve this issue.

Tent growing... Stuff like this is why I said id never do it... Here I am, doing it, and running into issues.

I may try cooling the whole room the tent is in, see if that will be enough...

 

[MegaMassPlants]

That's what I love about this business...how common sense wins out almost every time. I think you have the correct idea by cooling the entire room the tent is in. The alternative would be to enshroud the output and then you could direct and/or regulate the flow into the room. You may also be able to vent the excess into your other room then as well. Without having seen the entire setup it's hard to give a definitive action to take.
I would start with regulating the entire room first....

 

[MegaMassPlants]

The ac is sitting beside the tent blowing in through the vent. Its obviously blowing too much cfm, my little inline cant suck it out.

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This is a stupid problem to have. I dont want to air cool my bulb but it may yet happen if I dont solve this issue.

Tent growing... Stuff like this is why I said id never do it... Here I am, doing it, and running into issues.

I may try cooling the whole room the tent is in, see if that will be enough...

And the problem isn't really with tent gardening...you will encounter various issues with all setups in my experience. I love tents.
They take all the setup work out of it. Used to be it would take 12 trips to the hardware store, another 4 to the grow store, and the 3 days everyone thought it would take suddenly turns into 3 weeks, then 3 months.....you get the picture... Lol

 

[Team Microbe]

The ac is sitting beside the tent blowing in through the vent. Its obviously blowing too much cfm, my little inline cant suck it out.

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This is a stupid problem to have. I dont want to air cool my bulb but it may yet happen if I dont solve this issue.

Tent growing... Stuff like this is why I said id never do it... Here I am, doing it, and running into issues.

I may try cooling the whole room the tent is in, see if that will be enough...

No worries man, this is easily fixable

Is there anyway to set it up so the ac resides in the room your tent is sucking air in from? For example, my bedroom & a.c. is next to my grow room so I open the grow room door during the summer and the cold air gets sucked from there into my grow room. If this isn't possible, then you could always go the more destructive route (which isn't really that hard to repair actually) and cut ducting holes into your wall(s).

If there's a will, there's a way... you got this

 

[Team Microbe]

That's what I love about this business...how common sense wins out almost every time. I think you have the correct idea by cooling the entire room the tent is in. The alternative would be to enshroud the output and then you could direct and/or regulate the flow into the room. You may also be able to vent the excess into your other room then as well. Without having seen the entire setup it's hard to give a definitive action to take.
I would start with regulating the entire room first....

I was gonna say the same thing actually, the more info and pics you can provide the more we'll be able to add/help out. Like surrounding rooms, where you have access to windows, etc. I love grow room design, we can make this happen this week I bet

 

[StoneyK]

But this isnt a diy thread. its all about 1 product an why its the best even the mfg is here talkin the same thing that its the best on the market. Sounds a bit like a commercial an less like a trial test.
We arent argueing your product doesnt work it seems to work just fine for co2 production.
We are argueing EFFICIENCY an because the co2 from a bottle can be controlled and regulated it wins. Your buckets will never be cheaper to use because the production rate cannot be controlled.
You argue the system is expensive but it pays for itself because of its efficiency. it always costs a little more to do the job right but in the end its cheaper.
Your buckets are a good temporary solution but in the long term just cant compete.
The fact you use a 30% standard is also misleading, those arent your numbers. In fact you dont ever get 30% unless EVERYTHING else is perfect, then co2 makes that huge difference.
Get your space right first for the co2, get the right equipment an get it dialed then you can talk about 30%
But you say yourself your speaking to hobbyists they will not by definition have these perameters set and dialed , like in a tent! so then basically your sellin em nothin but dreams. Co2 is the LAST thing you add to a completed sealed room otherwise its just spending money to feel cool about runnin co2. Thats the whole thing about co2 is its gold if you can keep it in but it just costs you gold if you cant. Thays why we argue efficiency and application IT MATTERS.
last I will say on it. I hope the bucket works for you bro no one wants to beat you up I dont think but we have all been takin advantage of by slick sales pitches, lots of new growers come to this site to learn so memebers are real tough on anyone who pipes up with anything resembling any kind of a sales pitch but to protect their fellow members.

 

[MegaMassPlants]

But this isnt a diy thread. its all about 1 product an why its the best even the mfg is here talkin the same thing that its the best on the market. Sounds a bit like a commercial an less like a trial test.
We arent argueing your product doesnt work it seems to work just fine for co2 production.
We are argueing EFFICIENCY an because the co2 from a bottle can be controlled and regulated it wins. Your buckets will never be cheaper to use because the production rate cannot be controlled.
You argue the system is expensive but it pays for itself because of its efficiency. it always costs a little more to do the job right but in the end its cheaper.
Your buckets are a good temporary solution but in the long term just cant compete.
The fact you use a 30% standard is also misleading, those arent your numbers. In fact you dont ever get 30% unless EVERYTHING else is perfect, then co2 makes that huge difference.
Get your space right first for the co2, get the right equipment an get it dialed then you can talk about 30%
But you say yourself your speaking to hobbyists they will not by definition have these perameters set and dialed , like in a tent! so then basically your sellin em nothin but dreams. Co2 is the LAST thing you add to a completed sealed room otherwise its just spending money to feel cool about runnin co2. Thats the whole thing about co2 is its gold if you can keep it in but it just costs you gold if you cant. Thays why we argue efficiency and application IT MATTERS.
last I will say on it. I hope the bucket works for you bro no one wants to beat you up I dont think but we have all been takin advantage of by slick sales pitches, lots of new growers come to this site to learn so memebers are real tough on anyone who pipes up with anything resembling any kind of a sales pitch but to protect their fellow members.

You are right in that this thread was to be about the Bio2 co2 product and its benefits for small scale gardens. That people want to turn it into a bottle/burner vs bucket debate was not the intention of this thread.
I'll say it again, this product is to compete with SIMILAR, NATURAL, CO2 producing systems. NOT BOTTLES OR BURNERS BUT MYCELIUM BAGS AND THE SHAKER BOTTLE YEAST THING (a true joke). These products cost way more and produce way less.
That my style sounds like a sales pitch cannot be helped. I am a 20+ yr salesman in the indoor gardening arena. I have tried many system and also have the benefit of direct customer feedback on most products through my retail store. So I do not intentionally try to sound pitchy, it has become a bit of a habit and I love the product I promote.
As to the 30% yield increases, I am not misleading consumers. These are true facts about co2 production in general, and I also stated UP TO 30% and yes, that would be if all room conditions are within acceptable parameters. You can still see the benefits of co2 even if some of the conditions are a little out...I have run rooms with an increase to 800-1000ppm with constant ventilation and have still reaped the benefits.
You speak to control, regulation nd cost effectiveness. These are the very reasons we developed this product. The Bio2 is controlled and regulated to the extent that a natural process can be. This is why cocosativas is showing the monitor results, to prove that it produces a fairly constant and even amount of co2. Cost effectiveness is achieved through the realization that competing natural products cost close to 40cdn and do not provide the results they claim. Bio2 does. You can also run the bucket kit for 2 YEARS before the costs start to eclipse the cost of your tank, regulator, and refills for this same time frame, so yes I o feel it Is an economical choice for customers.
If I somewhere gave the Idea that hobby gardeners are not as interested in fine tuning their gardens I apologize. In my experience people are very attached to their plants and do want to have their gardens optimized for production, especially in an indoor environment where you become Mother Nature, so I take for granted that most will already have room conditions within acceptable parameters or their gardens will perform poorly no matter what. Even if they are not you can get some of the benefits of co2 enhancement from the BIO2 system as it will not change these conditions at all.
So although it may sound like a SLICK SALES PITCH, the product works as described, performs as expected, and will get you the results your looking for from co2 at a fraction of the cost of competing products.
And don't sweat the beating up on....got real thick skin. Been in the game a long time.

 

[MegaMassPlants]

On a side note, my intention was to let this thread develope organically( pun intended ) and see what customers opinions and feedback would be. That it became a debate over the merits of tanks/burners vs natural co2 production left cocosativas unequipped with the knowledge of the product necessary to refute these debates.
This is why I felt the need to become a member and assist in this fashion.
He has never used this product before. He does not know about the many tests performed before his involvement other then by me telling him about them. I can show the tests results however, being the manufacturer, I realize these would hold little value to outside observers. So I enlist the support of customers who wish to test and promote the results for us. Unbiased, true facts, right from their grow.

 

[CoCoSativas]

Here we go again with the bottles.

Dude, we arent here testing bottles. People know they work.

Honestly mmp dosent even vend or attempt to on this site. Why is eveyone jumping down his throat? I chose icmag to to the thread. Should I have done it somewhere else? If its too upsetting to your members theres 30 other forums...

We are simply showing something works. Im a see it to believe it guy. I see the meter first hand, take picture, post for you to see.

No one said, buy a bio2. I said why I like it, why I prefer it to bottles. Thats me, my opinion. If you absolutly have to have a bottle, go for it, its your grow, I dont care.

Stoneyk... It has already been stated that in the long term bottles are more efficient. Thats not news. Its also not news bottles are cheaper after some time has passed. This product is not competition with bottles. Its for folks looking for a cheaper level co2 production. maybe you cant afford bottles, your wife says no, you are scared of them, whatever. I personally have several issues with bottles and burners. I dont think they are appropriate for my HOME enviroment, possibly putting my wife, and pets at risk. I know I wouldnt drop a grand upfront on co2 in a tent ever, and I know its not likely id spend that much on co2 without trying a cheaper method first. Like a bio active product like this one.

Really, no members need protection from us. We arent here trying to empty wallets. mmp has stated the price, I have stated my opinions on the product. No one is here goin ok you have to buy this. If its come across im pitching it, im not. Im simply very satiafied with an impressive product. Im enjoying it and I think there are others out there who will as well.

yes the bio2 has its flaws, such as not being able to regulate output (not a issue for me as I comprehensively understand its a biological process and I cant control every thing on earth, especially those) and it takes a day to start producing, its liquid filled. However its very simple to use, litterally fill with water, mix sugar and yiest and seal... A monkey could do it. It blows alot of gas without making much smell which is impressive, its pretty stealth, and as I mentioned before it appeals to me on a science experiment in my room kind of level. Its cool, its a interesting idea. I like its natural, not man manufactured. Why not have more nature in our rooms. I grow in coco because its natural hydroponics... I used to only organic garden. Dope plants are natural...

As for the grow design... Tents... My only issue is its soft walled... Not used to that.

Ive tried cooling the entire room. Not enough cooling as im using a open hood in a tent. I need to either blow in cold air or have the ac within the tent. Or hook up my cool tube which does not interest me at all. I wish I knew a hvac pro... Ill just keep trying stuff until it works. Ive got a few ideas and a few weeks until there is any bud to worry about.

My temps havent gone out of control yet. I did a grow once that was like 102 the whole way through so im not terrified of high temps. Dont want them though.

I need a ac thats smaller and fits in the tent better. or a much more powerful ac that can cool the room the tent thats in, effectivly enough to solve the problem. I think thats my best solution. More cooling. Yay big ac meens more money gone and more electricity bill. Sweet I just love when costs keep wracking up...
At least I can sell this ac I only paid 50 for (so cheap in my area even used ones are 150 minimum) which will help with covering rising costs.

Bonus will be ill get a big bad ac that blows alot of cold, and hopefully is quieter than this piece.

Im looking forward to adding more seeds to my already silly collection. This summer should be good. sa**ies jack, shopping for a og probably archives face off og bx2, and want to grab some dj short flo. Always a million more I want but already have to get through those and what I have. So many seed projects I want to do, and so many plants I want to bud out and smoke out.

 

[CoCoSativas]

Also one thing to remember is that mmp only sells 2/3 parts of this item. Hes not a sugar vendor, so its up to you your yearly price depending on if you buy bulk.

Mmp is there a bulk deal if you buy a years worth of the blue alien brew mix (i dont know what else to call the bio2 powder mix...)

 

[HenDokuYaku]

Why not just pay for advertising like everybody else?

 

[StoneyK]

We will just have to agree to disagree on the bucket being a good permanent solution I guess.
As to your cooling issue in the tent.
Tents are really problematic because of the thin layer of cloth the temp differtials played havoc on me I got condensation on one side or the other not so bad in summer but winter my humidity would go off the charts talkin puddles on the floor with a dehumidifier runnin 24/7. When its cold outside an warm it your tent is when it gets crazy.
The one thing that somewhat worked was I cut a hole in my tent high up built a wooden frame an mounted the window ac like it was in a window. Tou have to make sure the ac has air flow tho or it dont work, I built a box around it an had a suction fan into the attic pullin air thru it.
Also Inline fans one on top pullin one on bottom pushing. Its an up hill battle I wish you luck. I could never solve the problem of the temp difference so I just moved inside tossed thetents an saved myself a million headaches but thats not an option for everyone.
dont get me wrong either I want them buckets to work for you its just hard to believe after runnin co2 you would get much positive return for the cost in the application your talking about. But in the end its your wallet if it makes you happy an you see value then its all gravy.