Testing the Bio2 CO2 producing bucket

[CoCoSativas]

Im not really digging the pro silicate. It appears it causes something to fall out of suspension. Its strange tho, the ppm dosent change from a check after mixing, to when I see settled material on the bottom of the mixing bucket.

Looks like ill have to try the general hydroponics silica. Im going to chuck this gal of crappy pro silicate and get a quart of armour si and a 9$ bottle of the dynagrow silica. Ill test all of them and see what ppms I get from recommended dose, and see which settle.

Double test thead. It will cost me less than 30 bucks for the other two. Too bad I bought a gal of something im not happy with but thats life.

 

[DemonTrich]

hmmm interesting idea on the buckets. wish I could score freebies for my 8z12z7 sealed room.

I used to use dynagrow silica back in the day. loved it from what I remember.

 

[CoCoSativas]

hmmm interesting idea on the buckets. wish I could score freebies for my 8x12x7 sealed room.

I used to use dynagrow silica back in the day. loved it from what I remember.

You can always pick up a bio2, they are inexpensive and im loving mine.

Good to know.
about the pro tekt

 

[DemonTrich]

I would have to reconfigure my entire flower room. im already getting +1g/w. so not really worth it at this time. I run a/c constant on 12/12 and a huge ass carbon scrubber 12/12.

 

[CoCoSativas]

I would have to reconfigure my entire flower room. im already getting +1g/w. so not really worth it at this time. I run a/c constant on 12/12 and a huge ass carbon scrubber 12/12.

Why do you say this? My tent is vented. I will as well have ac, getting one today finally. Your tent is bigger, but 30% yield increase on 1.0/watt is alot dude. MMP would 2 bio2s be sufficient for his tent or do you have any larger model at the moment.

 

[StoneyK]

Sorry to have left you hanging cocosativas...just don't wanna hijack your thread...
It has been our experience that customers intent on setup of a small indoor grow do not wish the high start up costs associated with the purchase and use of tanks and bottles. I have found the refill costs on a 20lb bottle are about 65 cdn and like cocosativa has mentioned initial costs for tank 350-375(around 300 is bottle deposit), plus regulator and solenoid combo 185 or so, and then a cycle timer for 100(if you want to cheap out) or a controller, such as the Grozone Sco2 for about 550. So for about 1100 plus tax you can install a full on controlled system.
There are pros and cons to everything and my experience has been that few are willing to shell out for this on a small scale garden. The bottles aren't readily available except from the grow store unless you want to leave purchase or lease details with gas providers. Most don't do this either. I have not run a bottle setup in a small tent however, in a 13x12 bedroom environment I have found them to last as little as 3 days to a week at most and that's if the valve doesn't freeze open and dump the whole tank overnight....50lbs tanks are even bulkier and harder to move in and out.
The Bio2 CO2 Enhancement product was envisioned to bridge the gap between what competitive bio active co2 products have available and their outrageous costs compared to value. The mycelium bags for instance, only raise a monitor by 50 ppm on our tests and cost over 40 at most retailers. The shaker bottle thingy is moderately better and will raise co2 by over 1000ppm, but only for a day or two at most. And that's only if you can get it to work. We had to test multiple bottles due to lack of activity after following directions. Plus any brewer that opens this will be unpleasantly surprised by the enormous costs they just paid (again 40 bucks) for a pinch of yeast and a tablespoon of sugar.
So as to not let this turn into a rant I will close by saying that the Bio2 Bucket kit and the Bio2 System works as described. We would take the Pepsi challenge of co2 against any competitive Bio active co2 product in the market today.
We at Mega Mass Plant Products strongly urge everyone to give it a go and surprise yourselves, your plants will love you for it!!!

Your figures are way off and so is your theory on your bucket being cheaper.
So a bottle cant keep up would freeze up, but your bucket can?
Please, I got some prime farmland in florida for ya if you will swallow that one....
Second, over 1100 for a co2 setup? Lmao where do you shop?
Titan makes a great controller for 150 bucks you can get a regulator for 80 bucks(nice one) then a small 25lbs bottle for less than 100.
My math says it costs less than 500,much less if you search craigslist.

I dont doubt the product works, im just speaking to efficiency.
Your bucket isnt any more stealth than a bottle, I weld an people use co2 for so many applications is crazy.
Your sales pitch needs a little polishing there bud...lol

Third, who wants their co2 sitting on the ground in a bucket? You are aware co2 is heavier than air?
Do your plants lean to the floor to breathe it up? Cause mine don't.
So what air circulation right? Again comes into play your unsealed room the increased air circulation also makes the air exchange happen faster, There goes your co2 again! DOH !!!
My co2 drops strait into my canopy where it can actually be used too from above.

So in reality not la la land where co2 setups cost 1200 dollars, your buckets lose the efficiency battle in every way that matters.
Personally id rather have an extra plant than a 5 gallon bucket sitting around taking up real estate too...
My 1/4 inch co2 line takes 0 grow space... NOW how much does that bucket cost??? Lets say your plants yield 2 zips per, that 400 a grow gone so you can sit a 5 gal bucket in the spot instead of a plant...
Add that to the cost of your bucket, seems like them buckets be gettin more an more expensive...

 

[StoneyK]

I wanna see the grow that got a 30% boost from your bucket. Lets see the side by side.
Your claim is outrageous.

 

[CoCoSativas]

Your figures are way off and so is your theory on your bucket being cheaper.
So a bottle cant keep up would freeze up, but your bucket can?
Please, I got some prime farmland in florida for ya if you will swallow that one....
Second, over 1100 for a co2 setup? Lmao where do you shop?
Titan makes a great controller for 150 bucks you can get a regulator for 80 bucks(nice one) then a small 25lbs bottle for less than 100.
My math says it costs less than 500,much less if you search craigslist.

I dont doubt the product works, im just speaking to efficiency.
Your bucket isnt any more stealth than a bottle, I weld an people use co2 for so many applications is crazy.
Your sales pitch needs a little polishing there bud...lol

Third, who wants their co2 sitting on the ground in a bucket? You are aware co2 is heavier than air?
Do your plants lean to the floor to breathe it up? Cause mine don't.
So what air circulation right? Again comes into play your unsealed room the increased air circulation also makes the air exchange happen faster, There goes your co2 again! DOH !!!
My co2 drops strait into my canopy where it can actually be used too from above.

So in reality not la la land where co2 setups cost 1200 dollars, your buckets lose the efficiency battle in every way that matters.
Personally id rather have an extra plant than a 5 gallon bucket sitting around taking up real estate too...
My 1/4 inch co2 line takes 0 grow space... NOW how much does that bucket cost??? Lets say your plants yield 2 zips per, that 400 a grow gone so you can sit a 5 gal bucket in the spot instead of a plant...
Add that to the cost of your bucket, seems like them buckets be gettin more an more expensive...

We arent americans. In canada (la la land to you)
bottle setups are expesive. As is clothing, food, cigarettes are 14 bucks for 25 pack in my city... We get ripped off.

Titan is limited a few shops on the coast carry select few of their products.

MMP would know prices on this stuff. He sells it.

I have room in there for the bucket so its there. Im growing super lemon haze, kali mist. If I leave it it wont intefere with them. The kit comes with a 1/4" tube to move the co2 output infront of say a fan. I could sit it beside the tent, no problem.

Im measuring co2 level above my parabllic now. The level above the cannopy and where the canopy is at a high co2 level.

My bucket is on the floor because thats what I chose. You can put it anywhere. Its not recommended to put it on cement. My room is carpet under the tent.

This is my first time using co2. I cant verify the 30% increase until I do a side by side later, but maybe other co2 users could chime in. Im going off what mmp says I trust him

 

[DemonTrich]

sorry, but if your running co2 and are venting your WASTING precious co2 and will NOT reap the full benefits of running a co2 system. you do NOT want to vent anytime when the co2 is on, this is why most people who run co2 use a bottle and regulator. they run a sealed room with lights ON and running co2, then turn off the co2 and vent during lights off. or your defeating the purpose of running a sealed room and co2 at the same time.


and if your running a tent, your NOT running a sealed enclosure. I and every grower on this site and 4 other grow sites will back me up on this statement.

 

[CoCoSativas]

sorry, but if your running co2 and are venting your WASTING precious co2 and will NOT reap the full benefits of running a co2 system. you do NOT want to vent anytime when the co2 is on, this is why most people who run co2 use a bottle and regulator. they run a sealed room with lights ON and running co2, then turn off the co2 and vent during lights off. or your defeating the purpose of running a sealed room and co2 at the same time.


and if your running a tent, your NOT running a sealed enclosure. I and every grower on this site and 4 other grow sites will back me up on this statement.

My ppms are still high after I vent.

So what you are saying devalidates the bottle idea in tents. Thanks man, happy to hear someone say it. Tents are not sealed, therefore not ideal for bottles.

Im not wasting any co2. My bucket is overrated for my tent, I can vent it all day and still high ppms. Besides, the bucket dosent really waste, it slows at night, so I dont see the issue. I dont need any fancy gear to do that. Temps lower from lights being off, voila the yiest slows brewing.

 

[DemonTrich]

bottom line bro, if YOU VENT your wasting the co2 and MONEY. I don't give two shits where the co2 comes from, albeit a bottle or a bucket, its still co2. and it NOT being inn a sealed environment, your still NOTY sealed and wasting product and money.

you can call a donkey a horse all you want, bottom line its still a damn donkey.

you can cradle the bucket by the balls all you want, a bucket will NEVER replace a bottle with a timer. unusable co2 is a wast of co2, and you still cant control the amount of co2 in your room. 3000 is a WASTE and plants cant absorb that much. so again, a waste of time and money. donkey for sure.

 

[stoned-trout]

if it works you should just make it yourself..brewers yeast allowing higher alcohol content, and some fixings.airlock from brew store..no magic...glad its working for you..atleast I got beer,wine and mash when I did it. wonder if a brewery ever had a hidden grow using the byproduct co2 vented in.....yeehaw...pro tekt is a good product..been using it long time

 

[CoCoSativas]

bottom line bro, if YOU VENT your wasting the co2 and MONEY. I don't give two shits where the co2 comes from, albeit a bottle or a bucket, its still co2. and it NOT being inn a sealed environment, your still NOTY sealed and wasting product and money.

you can call a donkey a horse all you want, bottom line its still a damn donkey.

you can cradle the bucket by the balls all you want, a bucket will NEVER replace a bottle with a timer. unusable co2 is a wast of co2, and you still cant control the amount of co2 in your room. 3000 is a WASTE and plants cant absorb that much. so again, a waste of time and money. donkey for sure.

You are pretty funny man.

I didnt intend for 3000 ppm... Im using a bucket OVERRATED for my size tent.

Why are we arguing yet again about waste? Dude its yiest, it wont slow down because I ask it. Maybe it will for you though if you ask nice enough. Lol its not wasting anything. The co2 is a byproduct of the fermentation.

How am I wasting something I have an overabundance of due to using an overrated system in my tent? I dont need the extra, and still have tons after venting. Why wouldnt I vent my tent? I have to anyway, its not sealed...

The bucket works no matter how many times people say bottles are better. Bottom line, the bucket is excellent, I like it and am totally satisfied. The start up is cheap, its easy and cheap to run.

Besides, as ive said (countless times) bottles are expensive in my area (more than a complete tent grow) and not practical. My wife said no fucking way. Therefore BOTTLES WILL NOT WORK FOR ME. Shes good enough to let me grow, I dont need to push it and have her say no because I had to bring compressed gas into the house.

There are so many options to grow. Tents arent my first choice but they work. Im sitting on a dope 4 square meter setup waiting to start when I have the perfect spot for it. Im using the tent until then. Options man. The tent is one, so is the bucket.

Im not saying bottles suck. They just dont work for me at this point. They are an option as much as mmps bucket is.

Also, for my bigger setup, id chose burner over bottle. Gas is cheap in my area. Plus theres no bringing in tanks, just call a gasfitter and hook up.

Theres pros and cons to everything. Bottles, burners, buckets. If it works for you, us it. Im just here as an average joe using the bucket, testing it for others to see. So far I like the bucket.

Keep telling me how much better you like your bottles tho. You will win eventually and ill scrap the thread and buy a bottle... or not

 

[MegaMassPlants]

It appears everyone is missing the true point of this system. It is not to compete with bottle or burner setups. It is to compete against other SIMILAR bio active co2 products. Ie; mycelium bags, co2 pads, and shaker bottles that all have little effect and cost WAY more. Where I can find them they retail for 40 cdn dollars plus tax.
That a great product like this is out there to assist small scale gardens is awesome.
Yes, you can place 2 buckets in a 8x12x7 grow room and see similar results to what cocosativa is achieving thus far.
Yes, 3000 ppm is excessive however, this is also why it can be used with ventilation and still achieve amazing average ppms.
Yes, the co2 is being wasted somewhat however, with the bucket in between the plants and below the canopy there is ample room for it along with having the oscillating fan mix ALL the air.
Yes, the product is based off of fermentation however, it is provided in a convenient, cost effective, package that lives up to its hype. And our proprietary blend enhances performance, effectiveness, and is proportioned for ease of use. You can run one Bio2 bucket kit per 5x5x7 growroom per week with confidence.
Thanks to cocosativa for getting this thread started and agreeing to deal with everything....I had no idea forum are so fun!

There will always be naysayers but that is what gets us up everyday encouraging the doubters to give it a go and surprise themselves.

 

[MegaMassPlants]

I wanna see the grow that got a 30% boost from your bucket. Lets see the side by side.
Your claim is outrageous.

The up to 30% increase in yields is true for co2 enhancement in general, not just the best biological co2 product in the market today, Bio2. Which has been verified in our testing and is also why we have this fabulous thread started.....to hopefully convince some of you to give it a try.
If you have gardened with and without co2, you will realize these are not outrageous claims.

 

[CoCoSativas]

Co2 pads...


I saw someone using one In a clone dome. Spray it with water and co2? Has anyone stuck a meter in there and verified that?

The bio2 is my choice for a bioactive co2 production method.

As far as space wasted, I may move the bucket to make everyone happy, however im not planning on adding plants. These plants will likely become pretty large, so I wont have space to add extra. Also I will not need extra plants. Im growing for personal so 5 or 6 plants is enough for me.

Honestly tho, I wont have room for more plants. Reality is space inot big enough. If I choose to leave the bucket there its fine

 

[MegaMassPlants]

Co2 pads...


I saw someone using one In a clone dome. Spray it with water and co2? Has anyone stuck a meter in there and verified that?

The bio2 is my choice for a bioactive co2 production method.

As far as space wasted, I may move the bucket to make everyone happy, however im not planning on adding plants. These plants will likely become pretty large, so I wont have space to add extra. Also I will not need extra plants. Im growing for personal so 5 or 6 plants is enough for me.

Honestly tho, I wont have room for more plants. Reality is space inot big enough. If I choose to leave the bucket there its fine

Plus, plants don't grow in squares they are circular and the plant material typically exceeds the diameter of the container which results in open space at the ground level where the bucket system fits in nicely.....of course this depends on your preferred method of gardening.
If your the pack'em in till there's no room type of gardener then perhaps you will want the Bio2 system outside of the tent with the distribution hose ending beside the oscillating fans in the room.
I like to envision CO2 as being like a heavy fog. It will pick up and distribute with the slightest stir in its environment, which therefore allows the fans to do their job of evening out the distribution. It is not necessary to elevate its delivery above the plants with proper air movement.

 

[CoCoSativas]

Plus, plants don't grow in squares they are circular and the plant material typically exceeds the diameter of the container which results in open space at the ground level where the bucket system fits in nicely.....of course this depends on your preferred method of gardening.
If your the pack'em in till there's no room type of gardener then perhaps you will want the Bio2 system outside of the tent with the distribution hose ending beside the oscillating fans in the room.
I like to envision CO2 as being like a heavy fog. It will pick up and distribute with the slightest stir in its environment, which therefore allows the fans to do their job of evening out the distribution. It is not necessary to elevate its delivery above the plants with proper air movement.

Thank you for explaining to everyone why its fine to have the bio2 on the floor, amongst the plants. It could be a problem if I grew short bushy indicas who dominate the lower space, howeved I am not.

As for the co2 being distributed, im trying to kill two birds with one stone with my ventilation. Obviously it is pulling it up, the meter is showing that.

Got my ac. Its positioned beside the tent to blow in the square vent on the side. Ill be hooking up my hps soon.

 

[CoCoSativas]

I plan on geting something to mount ducting to the front of the ac, and the bring it in properly through one of the intakes. Until then ill just blow in through the vent in the side. It works fine for now.

 

[DemonTrich]

ok im done with you buddy. are you absolutely SURE your NOT finshaggy from joke-it-up?