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Testing the Bio2 CO2 producing bucket

Dready_jake

Dready_jake

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wegobigupnorth said:
Hey bro I took notice to how much you are mentioning heat issues. Which surprised me as you are using a cool tube so I went over the pictures of your set up and was a little shocked to see the way you set the ballast up hanging off the INSIDE of the tent?

there is a reason everyone keeps their ballasts outside the grow room/tent. They give off a lot of heat (some people thinking digi's don't get hot but just because they don't get as hot as magnetics don't mean they are not hot!) It would take two seconds and cost a few bucks to get a longer power cord if that's the only reason you set it up so inefficient?

Are you even running any exhaust other then the cool tube? Where is the hot air from the ballast supposed to go? Hot air has to go somewhere or it obviously will just keep getting warmer.

Sorry if I am being captain obvious and if you already mentioned some type of reason why it is set up like that but I know for a fact moving it outside the tent would lower temps. Maybe not a shit load but I think your gonna be surprised at how much of a difference it makes.

LEDs?!? NOO!! Why?!? I have never in my life heard of someoneswitching from HID to LED and not really, really regretting it. LEDs are for micro growers man and even then I'd rather use fucking CFLs which is pretty sad haha. My buddy was gifted a "180w UFO" and we just ran a little side by side at my buddies as he wanted to switch from T5s to veg to the leds and guess what? Niether of us woud even VEG with LEDs. It's pretty obvious the penetration on them is SHIT. We can see it with out human eyes,,,Everyone that switches from LED to HID or even to flouros if vegging never look back...
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Wow this guy doesn't know shit about LEDs. Anecdotal evidence with no real evidence. just shit talking


Check this video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ert3fmYQlk

And the results:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z9gdoTO3_kw

Here's one from my 135 watter which is actually only running at 90 watts. There's 8 more of these under 90 watts thats IT.
 
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wegobigupnorth

lol I actually do know a thing or too about LEDs. I have seen MANY complete grows with them. I did make myself sound ignorant when I said "LEDs are for micro growers" but I did not mean they only work for micro grows, I mean they shod only be used for small grows because the penetration on the fucking SUCKS and nothing you tell me can make that fact change.

I promise you if you use LEDs equal to 1K in lighting you will yield a shitload less then using 1K HID lighting. Who the fuck cares if the power bill is half of what is was when you are yielding less then half of what you would be with HID.

Your picture proves nothing? And I am not going to bother watching a video that was probably made by a manufacture. I researched LEDs hardcore a couple years ago and 99.9% of claims the manufacturers make are pure bullshit.

Now your gonna reply with some more "facts" trying to prove me wrong and I don't care that you have an opinion. There is a BIG reason why no cash choppers use LEDs and it ain't cause the start up cost is to much. if LEDs could actually replace LEDs EVERYONE in Cali on PGE electric would be running them and saving so much on their bill they would probably pay for themselves in a fucking single run. None of the big boys use LEDs and never will.
 
Dready_jake

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Nope just that the video was made by a grower but if you're too ignorant to see what LEDs CAN do WITH THE PROPER SPECTRUMS OF LIGHT that's your problem. I used to think HID still had the edge til I watched those video's. The tech has caught up but the price for something worth quality is still kinda high
 
Dready_jake

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Sorry if we hijacked your thread but I'll defend good LEDs against someone who's tried a couple bad eBay/amazon leds and won't check new evidence any day.
 
CoCoSativas

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wegobigupnorth said:
Hey bro I took notice to how much you are mentioning heat issues. Which surprised me as you are using a cool tube so I went over the pictures of your set up and was a little shocked to see the way you set the ballast up hanging off the INSIDE of the tent?

there is a reason everyone keeps their ballasts outside the grow room/tent. They give off a lot of heat (some people thinking digi's don't get hot but just because they don't get as hot as magnetics don't mean they are not hot!) It would take two seconds and cost a few bucks to get a longer power cord if that's the only reason you set it up so inefficient?

Are you even running any exhaust other then the cool tube? Where is the hot air from the ballast supposed to go? Hot air has to go somewhere or it obviously will just keep getting warmer.

Sorry if I am being captain obvious and if you already mentioned some type of reason why it is set up like that but I know for a fact moving it outside the tent would lower temps. Maybe not a shit load but I think your gonna be surprised at how much of a difference it makes.

LEDs?!? NOO!! Why?!? I have never in my life heard of someoneswitching from HID to LED and not really, really regretting it. LEDs are for micro growers man and even then I'd rather use fucking CFLs which is pretty sad haha. My buddy was gifted a "180w UFO" and we just ran a little side by side at my buddies as he wanted to switch from T5s to veg to the leds and guess what? Niether of us woud even VEG with LEDs. It's pretty obvious the penetration on them is SHIT. We can see it with out human eyes,,,Everyone that switches from LED to HID or even to flouros if vegging never look back...
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I use a gavita ballast. Very cool but produces lots of rfi so it needs a short cord. But it actually runs extremly cool it gives off almost no heat.

I know you meant well, but I actually know alot about growroom design. BTW this is a co2 grow so exhausting.. Not really on the table.

My plants arent heat stressed. I am. Its just because my area is crazy hot right now and my ac is super loud so I dont want to use it at night with lights on. I could deal with the heat issues im just a little busy. They are fine anyway they are sativas, im just a whiner.

LEDs are actually in Commercial greenhouses now...


I could just deal with it but im a angry grouch so I bitch and complain...
 
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wegobigupnorth

You got me there lol sorry I was stoned as hell when I wrote my post of course there would be no exhaust...Sorry to be a dummy bro

And dready jake, If you do a side by side grow and you actually think leds will beat hid in a totally even test then all the power to you brother. there is a big reason why most will not agree.
 
Dready_jake

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I can get 4 ounces on my 90 watt and that video is a side by side with 18 x 1200watt LEDs vs. 24 X 1000 watt. Watt for watt the led blows hps out of the water

PS I've been using this fixture for 4 years so far
 
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wegobigupnorth

Ok you know what jake, I will take back what I said. Those spider fixtures do looking very promising...I did not know anything like that was on the market I will admit, I was wrong.

They are very very expensive though...Do you have anymore links to grows using them? Spending 3K on a light is pretty crazy but does not take long to make back espically with the power savings...I still do not believe it 100% that they yield that well, need to see more videos but like I said, impressive.
 
Dready_jake

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wegobigupnorth said:
Ok you know what jake, I will take back what I said. Those spider fixtures do looking very promising...I did not know anything like that was on the market I will admit, I was wrong.

They are very very expensive though...Do you have anymore links to grows using them? Spending 3K on a light is pretty crazy but does not take long to make back espically with the power savings...I still do not believe it 100% that they yield that well, need to see more videos but like I said, impressive.
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Thank you man. They are fucking outrageously expensive!!!!!!! But like I was saying the tech is there all day with the proper spectrum but they are typically still really expensive. And LEDs typically draw 60% of the rated LEDs so those 1200 waters are actually drawing like 7 or 800 watts I believe. But the math was based on 1200 watts. Not sure tho (don't quote me on that, my Spyder research dried up back when I checked the price lol)


I'm looking at an 800 watter2.0 from htg supply cuz I know their spectrum works. 810 watts runs around $800(most LEDs run at about 60% draw. HTG is no different so it draws around 5-600 watts of electricity). Will be a long time til I can upgrade but will show you guys if I get too lol. The significance of that one pic was to show you how many happy plants I have under only 90 watts. It got a little tense but I knew we could reach an agreement after a solid debate:biggrin:

Thanks bro! I enjoyed every minute. Hope you did too:tiphat:
Know we can give coco his thread back lmfao
 
CoCoSativas

CoCoSativas

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wegobigupnorth said:
You got me there lol sorry I was stoned as hell when I wrote my post of course there would be no exhaust...Sorry to be a dummy bro

And dready jake, If you do a side by side grow and you actually think leds will beat hid in a totally even test then all the power to you brother. there is a big reason why most will not agree.
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No problem. You see where my problem lies though...

Im actually planning led vs hid at some point. Stay tuned.

Wegobigupnorth, I think you are actually pretty cool. Sometimes we disagree, thats all good. If i come across as a dickhead, I am... Im a angry fucker who grew up in the wrong time. People like me should have died out long before now.

The spydr... Holy sweet lights... They are something else. Im considering picking one up after I check out the lumigrow. The smaller lumigrow should fit my 4x4 no problem.

Yes leds are expensive upfront but lets face it, hid is expensive too. I own gavita digistars, 200 a pop. Parabolic shade,50 each. Hortilux 600 super hps 135 each. Change bulbe every year... After a while the initial cost of the led vs the cost of hid, the hid gets more expensive with time and equals about the same.

As long as the weed is good, id use leds. Remember this is a tent grow, not my 4 sq m grow. LEDs are fine here im not looking to change my future project yet. If the lumigrowvwas good enough id look at using them or spydrs instead of that I have.

Id find another use for my hids. 3 of them never out the box yet.

Im busy today but tonight will spend time talking about more points, and plans about the grow
 
CoCoSativas

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Smoking some c99 to start up the day. Good shit I love it.

So the hid vs led debate. Lets talk technical detals first.

LEDs are able to controll the spectrum of the light much better than hps. LEDs are always tuned into the PAR wavelengths much better than hps. Hps looses tons of its available light to wavelengths plants dont use. Also leds use their energy to make more light than heat. Hps... We all know hps only releases like 30 percent (if im wrong feel free to link a referance but im pretty close I think) of its energy as light. We all know heat is thE majority or of the energy released regardless of percentaGe. So is the hps really more effecient? Especially after replacing bulbs, higher power drain, blah blah blah then theres the heat. Fuck me the heat... Extra quipment to deal with it isint cheap, ac, more power morr cash spent buying it.

Theres a few good leds out there there. Lot of garbagebtoo, but look at the bmr sypdr, lumigrow is a good one too.

They arent just for micro grows. The hps is a old, starting to get outdated technology. Led is finally catching up now. Couple years ago idk, but now...

Also, my gtow is a microgrow atm. I own a 4 square meter sutup with the same gavita and hortilux combo but its not setup. We arent talking replacing that shit yet. Just my personal grows light.

I like testing stuff. If leds work, which ive seen they do, why not have one more person prove it. Costs you nothing, I pay for you to see a potentially good product. I do so much research and review reading before I buy equipment. I wont likely buy the cheap Amazon light... Ill be buyimg a quality replacement for my tent. That lumigrow 325 is the likely choice, its a neat looking light. I might also pick up the 650, thats as much led wattage as my hps, plus 50 watts. I dont run my ballast at the overclock positio, otherwise it would go up to 660. Would make for a good side by side.

My shop contacted their led manufacturer and asked about side by side with theirs. They said no, which is too bad. I would have taken my buisness to them if they had any legit data, not hype and bs, and a attitude. "look on youtube we have videos". No they dont they have garbage shit I laughed at. No grow vids no side by side. Suck it...ill buy from someone with data.

Id love to trash that manufacturer all day by name but will not. If thats how they do buisness its their loss, I could have been looking to replace my hid with led if their shit was legit. 10 grand in light, too bad they didnt have data or do a side by side.

Id even buy one if it had a satisfaction garentee or something. But theres nothing. Pay 2500 hundred and fuck you if you dont like it.

If my shop rigged theirs up and did a tomato grow with one and it was legit id consider it, but until you have data, ill buy from someone who does. This buisness is science, not hype and bs.
My shop is run by some cool guys, who are very well educated about growing and gear. I dont think they would have a shitty light they are selling, however its 2500 for something with no data, no garentee made by someone with a fresh attitude. If it was made by mmp then id buy it because hes not a ripoff, quite the opposite. However he just resells it, and unless he himself tests his disply, or I test one or see a side by side, ill just buy a lumigrow. I know a vendor in Cali that ships here and loves dealing with Canadians. Less than a grand for one, why not... Plus that vendor dosent cough up attitude when I ask a question. I cant believe they actually told mmp to tell me that. They seriously lost my buisness with that one, woulda earned the Rep a good yelling at if he said that to my face, I look at you tube and I do and its shit... Yeah then the yelling would start.

Anyway, enough of me ranting, what the led thing boils down to for me is its less heat and way more light in the PAR zone, so why not try one. Costs me less than a grand, and less than 90 days, why not try it out. If it works great, if not ill trash it all over the place and use the led to light a room or something (lumigrow can do all white lol)

At the end of the day, im going to spend my money to put on another test. I like testing gear, and why not. You guys get to watch for free, see if this thing stacks up.

Also of note my hps ballast makes mad rfi. That sucks, as I need a short cord... So another bonus is led dosent cause rfi.

Im probably just going to Finnish this grow off and then start the led one. 5 more weeks gives me time to take my clones, veg them, get a led and anything else I need to done.

Soooo, how does organic coco led grow sound next guys? Im already convinced it has to be done. How out there does it get?

I should have rolled a joint, the pipe I have to put my tablet down and take a toke. Fml...:laughing:

Hey wegobigupnorth you are Canadian... Im guessing east of Manatoba , just a feeling I cant shake lol... Anyway you have access to gaia green gear dude. Best organics going. If you want some ultra clean and tasty potent dope, check out powerbloom. Its all over western Canada, but if you are out east (just guessing) you cn still order it. Americans cant though. Yeah im going to look into using powerbloom and tomato supreme together maybe for this grow.
Wegobigupnorth, if yiu are west of Saskatchewan you wont have a hard time finding gaia greens stuff its everywhere.

So im going to start my Kali mist seeds remaining today and get my clone setup ready. A buddy needs some, and so does my next grow. Im keeping 5 kalis, 5 slh, for me, and sellin him the Jamaican ggrapefruits, and just going to keep vegging the strawberry until I chop the one I have and see if this freak stick pheno is any good.

Lol I always have such awesome potent stuff with great taste and effect, but I always suffer at yields. Dosent help I pick good dope not good yield strains. I just need to plant more of my bad yielding types. Glad im doing this grow though, get to know my phenos, when I go to do my next one I wont overplant or underplant.

Keeping clones is dope, never used to. Glad I picked that one up. Walked away form my last relationship with a few things, glad that was one of them.

Also im planning a watt vs watt test hps vs led. If i get a lumigrow I can do that no problem. So we will see which is better.

They are both good, and watching djs grow, im conviced they are fine.

As far a as penepenetration, those folks use them wrong. Far as I know leds are supposed to be way closer than hid, so, if its too far away you are defusing your light, causing lack of penetration.

Wegobigupnorth, lets not really begin to debate led yet. Lets just wait until I get that test going. Hopefully you and DJ will be the first to sub and we can all watch that showdown firsthand.

I wonder if theres anyway we could put a bet up... Like looser buys bet winner pack of seeds from the seed boutique or something. Dj wins you buy him seeds, you win he buys you seeds. Would spice it up, and id just conduct thebtest unbiased, as excited to see it as you guys
 
Dready_jake

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Its early so ill come back and finish reading that but ya the hps was originally designed for stadium lighting. Guess what keds have replaced those too remember the last two super bowls? That's why!
2 super bowls ago the light went out. Because they're hps they had to col down and start back up. They used LEDs in the last Superbowl so that wouldn't happen again.:)
 
Dready_jake

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Lol I completely agree with everything. Its not so Much a debate of which I'd better hps or led its more so about which led setup/spectrum is going to be best.
On that note remember the Superbowl where the ravens got fucked by the lights? Those were hps (the original use of them was stadium lighting) and they switched to LEDs for the next Superbowl. Google why there's more reasons. Lol

"Americans cant though."- you bastards! Lol Nah I'm jk.

And if I don't find your side by side just shoot me a link id love to tag along. It all adds to my 'which light to upgrade to' research.:D
 
CoCoSativas

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Ok so I am going to be picking up a led from my shop in the next little while here. Ill pick it up when this grow is finished.

Next grow ill be pushing alot more plants in 1 gal containers. 4 Kali mist fems, 1 Arjans haze number 1, maybe one of my stick indica-ish pheno Kali, probably 10 super lemon haze and however many texada timewarp females I get of the 9 seeds I put down.

I have to admit bad on me for not doing slightly better reaserch, the led manufacturer that my shop carries offers a 90 day full money back garentee. Im alot more comfortable spending 1500 or whatever on a fixture thats backed by a garentee. I bought 4 top quality hps setups for that price at the same joint, so im really hoping this led does what I need it to do.

Glad its got a all white view mode. No way I could get a good look or pic in the Martian landscape. I guess ill need to get some eye protection, they turned one on at the store last time I was there. It wasnt funny how bright it was it looks impressive. Im just Leary of expensive stuff, but ill give this thing a grow.


So im putting this co2 bucket thread on hold for now. Im going to get the led and get that setup and run a new thread. I guess it will be in a grow section or maybe coco section.

Led, organic coco/perlite grow. Boost it with some co2, should be a pretty decent run. Looking to stuff as many as I can in there. Wont really veg them crazy long, just long enough they can be cloned and are mature enough to be worth it. Just going to check the seedlings now, hopefully someone has cracked coco!
 
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